A rare occurence from God

Oeste · Mar 27, 2018

kjw47 said:
The apostates at Carm ran when they couldn't answer what Jesus taught and it blew all their reasonings to bits.

Sorry, but it wasn't CARM but your Governing Board that came out with all the false prophecies. Christianity told the Watchtower their prophecies were bogus...the result of a deceived mind. Since Jesus never taught what you preached they couldn't answer "...and it blew all their reasonings to bits."

kjw47 said:
A false prophecy = never occurs--

You are observant KJW! So tell us when in 1925 this prophecy occurred, or shall we simply label it false?:

1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection," (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89).

kjw47 · Mar 27, 2018

metis said:
Well, since they use the Bible as their source, ...

It's about "interpretation", which your JW leaders do as well. To call their approach to be a "false Christ" is just so "missing the mark", which is the definition of "sin".

If one serves the false Jesus--they have lost.

kjw47 · Mar 27, 2018

savagewind said:
LOOK! That scripture (Luke 10:16) refers to the people that Jesus sent out WHILE HE WAS ON THE EARTH STILL! And Matthew 24:45 is a QUESTION!!!!!!!!

They were anointed teachers as well, that is why he sent them.

kjw47 · Mar 27, 2018

savagewind said:
If someone came later (even Jesus Christ himself!) and they or he taught something even truer that your "real teachers" do, you would not listen to them or even to Jesus himself. And why not? Because it is against governing body law to listen to anyone else!

Actually God is the one who does not appreciate apostasy. Thus why would his teachers? In these last days-- the true living God=YHWH(Jehovah) only accepts to be worshipped in spirit and TRUTH-John 4:22-24-- truth is abundant now( Dan 12:4) there will be no excuse.

kjw47 · Mar 27, 2018

Carlita said:
Why do you think you are not part of the 99% of people who claim to be real christians? Non trinitarians are not unique.

99% of people dont all believe in the trinity.

1% are not people who dont believe in the trinity.

I do not know where you got these numbers but you are Not special.

If you dont believe in the divinity of christ, who are you worshiping as a Christian?

Can a human "like you and I" save you?

What is special about jesus?

Again. How are you out of all christians the only true christians?

I was a christian.
I was Catholic.
I believed in the trinity.

But I know how Catholics see it more personally than in books and bias. Totally different point of view.

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Why do you think you are not part of the 99% of people who claim to be real christians?

Being a non-trinitian doesnt make you unique.

1% out of the whole earth knows TRUTH to accomplish this-John 4:22-24-- it is Gods will each true follower does accomplish that--daily.
All through the bible= 99% mislead, with the only exception was when Israel was standing strong.

kjw47 · Mar 27, 2018

savagewind said:
@kjw47 Please take a minute or two to meditate on Matthew 24:48.

Why would Jesus set up the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses to teach the only salvation and then warn us that they may turn to wickedness????????

Think about this. It is written that he who is set up over all God's people might finally fear that The Master delays coming and he might turn on God's people for some reason or other. And, your "real teachers" have said that he is coming for over a hundred years now. Most people can rightly say that is a delay. According to the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses, Jesus' coming is DELAYED so, therefore, your group is better defined by Matthew 24:48-51 than it is now by Matthew 24:45.

There is no delay--you are making it up.
God does not hold ones past against them if they have corrected.

Unveiled Artist · Mar 27, 2018

kjw47 said:
1% out of the whole earth knows TRUTH to accomplish this-John 4:22-24-- it is Gods will each true follower does accomplish that--daily.
All through the bible= 99% mislead, with the only exception was when Israel was standing strong.

Where did you get those numbers?

And how do you know a persons individual relationship with christ?

To be blunt, you could be part of the 99%. You're not special.

kjw47 · Mar 27, 2018

Carlita said:
How are you part of the 1% and everyone else part of the 99%?

It is a bold claim to say you are the only who believes in the real jesus.

The trinity means unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Father being the creator. Son being the savior. Holy Spirit being the spirit of christ at the pentacoast.

The relation-ship between the three of them is their divinity. The Father being the creator. The Son speaking for the Creator. The Holy Spirit moving people towards Christ as a result to the Creator. The trinity starts with the Creator, through the son, by the holy spirit. They are one in unison; in unity; in relationship.

Without that relationship between father, son, and holy spirit, there is no christianity. No trinity no christianity.

What jesus are you worshiping if he has no relationship with his father and no spirit to save people who believe in his father through christ?

Have you ever experienced the relationship between father, son, and holy spirit?

You're not answering my questions.

What makes you part of the 1% and all fake christians 99%?
Where did you get those numbers; and, how do you know everyone's relationship with christ based on what you know of christianity as a whole?

That's a huge generalization. Just as calling JW not christians. They are. Just ya'll got a different view on the trinity that's not shared by most christians. People.

Not religion.

People.

Jesus teaches truth--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--- So since the OT clearly states--there is no other God beside me( singular) = YHWH( Jehovah)= the Father = Jesus' God.
Every JW on earth will tell you---No trinity exists. There is no other view of it by a JW.
reality= 1Cor 8:6

kjw47 · Mar 27, 2018

Oeste said:
Sorry, but it wasn't CARM but your Governing Board that came out with all the false prophecies. Christianity told the Watchtower their prophecies were bogus...the result of a deceived mind. Since Jesus never taught what you preached they couldn't answer "...and it blew all their reasonings to bits."

You are observant KJW! So tell us when in 1925 this prophecy occurred, or shall we simply label it false?:

1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection," (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89).

Yes many errors came in in the early years--Har-mageddon is NEVER a false prophecy like apostates claim. Trying to put a date on it was the error. They have corrected every error they found by themselves and the errors from the last 1750 years.Why are you holding a past against others after they have repented by making correction--its not Gods will to do that--fortunately for mortals. He forgives--so do true followers.

metis · Mar 27, 2018

kjw47 said:
If one serves the false Jesus--they have lost.

I hope someday you actually read and follow what the Bible actually does teach versus the lies that the Watchtower Society teaches. John 3:16 is as follows: For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

This is what pretty much all Christian churches teach, kjw, so your WS teachers are lying to you when they tell you otherwise. Matter of fact, why don't you visit maybe a few of them and see for yourself.

Oh, I forgot, they tell you not to do that, but have you ever thought about why they don't want to visit them, kjw?

savagewind · Mar 27, 2018

kjw47 said:
There is no delay--you are making it up.
God does not hold ones past against them if they have corrected.

I am not making that scripture up. Read it in your own Bible Matthew 24 | Online Bible | New World Translation

45 “Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?+ 46 Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so!+ 47 Truly I say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings.48 “But if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’+ 49 and he starts to beat his fellow slaves and to eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, 50 the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know,+ 51 and he will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his place with the hypocrites. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.+

I realize that you do not feel beaten down by governing body rules and regulations, but many, many people do feel beat down by them. It isn't written that "he beats ALL his slaves" but if anyone of Jehovah's Witnesses speaks out publically about any disagreement of JW doctrine, they are banished. How do you think a person feels if his own mother and father won't associate with him and just because he might not trust everything the governing body says? Please, trust me, all disassociated people feel beat down by the governing body's strict doctrines.

How do you think a young girl who has accused her father of mistreating her feels when she is alone with three JW men who are interrogating her? Beat down? You bet!

kjw47 · Mar 27, 2018

Carlita said:
Where did you get those numbers?

And how do you know a persons individual relationship with christ?

To be blunt, you could be part of the 99%. You're not special.

Yes any can be apart of the 99%--Jesus warned all-Matt 7:21-23--- so just because one stands up or try' to stand up, not all stand--some fall. ALL must be very careful in a satan ruled system of things, especially the ones trying to stand. He comes after Jesus' seed--relentlessly.
The only way to win-Matthew 16:24)-- disown oneself to follow Jesus------few can.

kjw47 · Mar 27, 2018

metis said:
I hope someday you actually read and follow what the Bible actually does teach versus the lies that the Watchtower Society teaches. John 3:16 is as follows: For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

This is what pretty much all Christian churches teach, kjw, so your WS teachers are lying to you when they tell you otherwise. Matter of fact, why don't you visit maybe a few of them and see for yourself.

Oh, I forgot, they tell you not to do that, but have you ever thought about why they don't want to visit them, kjw?

When all is said and done. The teachings of Jesus back the JW teachers.

Yes, believe in the REAL Jesus-- and not all of them will be saved-Matt 7:21-23---So why wont all who believe be saved since your scripture states they will?

savagewind · Mar 27, 2018

kjw47 said:
Jesus teaches truth--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--- So since the OT clearly states--there is no other God beside me( singular) = YHWH( Jehovah)= the Father = Jesus' God.
Every JW on earth will tell you---No trinity exists. There is no other view of it by a JW.
reality= 1Cor 8:6

I think that you do know that something like a trinity exists. It isn't one god in three but it actually is three divine elements together working as one. Yes?
Jehovah is for Jesus like Jesus is for Jehovah and they each command by means of The Holy Spirit. Count them! THREE!

savagewind · Mar 27, 2018

kjw47 said:
When all is said and done. The teachings of Jesus back the JW teachers.

Yes, believe in the REAL Jesus-- and not all of them will be saved-Matt 7:21-23---So why wont all who believe be saved since your scripture states they will?

You are probably wrong to equate entering the kingdom of God with a person's salvation.
Matthew 7:21 might be about the 144,000. How do you know it is really about every soul?

kjw47 · Mar 27, 2018

savagewind said:
I am not making that scripture up. Read it in your own Bible Matthew 24 | Online Bible | New World Translation

45 “Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?+ 46 Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so!+ 47 Truly I say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings.48 “But if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’+ 49 and he starts to beat his fellow slaves and to eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, 50 the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know,+ 51 and he will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his place with the hypocrites. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.+

I realize that you do not feel beaten down by governing body rules and regulations, but many, many people do feel beat down by them. It isn't written that "he beats ALL his slaves" but if anyone of Jehovah's Witnesses speaks out publically about any disagreement of JW doctrine, they are banished. How do you think a person feels if his own mother and father won't associate with him and just because he might not trust everything the governing body says? Please, trust me, all disassociated people feel beat down by the governing body's strict doctrines.

How do you think a young girl who has accused her father of mistreating her feels when she is alone with three JW men who are interrogating her? Beat down? You bet!

All who leave have apostocised.
Those 3 men use reasoning from the scriptures in a loving way.
The mother and Father are broken hearted. Its the one who leaves fault in just about every instance--they point the finger every where else but where it really goes--at self.
The GB never Say there is a delay. They teach us to keep on the watch.

kjw47 · Mar 27, 2018

savagewind said:
I think that you do know that something like a trinity exists. It isn't one god in three but it actually is three divine elements together working as one. Yes?
Jehovah is for Jesus like Jesus is for Jehovah and they each command by means of The Holy Spirit. Count them! THREE!

Jesus would roll on the ground laughing if a follower told him they believe in a trinity. Jesus would say--You should have believed me--John 20:17, Rev 3:12. My Father spoke from heaven and told( commanded) you to listen to Jesus.

Unveiled Artist · Mar 27, 2018

kjw47 said:
Jesus teaches truth--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--- So since the OT clearly states--there is no other God beside me( singular) = YHWH( Jehovah)= the Father = Jesus' God.
Every JW on earth will tell you---No trinity exists. There is no other view of it by a JW.
reality= 1Cor 8:6

You do not need to quote scripture. It cloggs your points.

The trinity is the relationship between father, son/human, and holy spirit/son spirit. Its a union and unity of divinity.

What christ do you worship if he is human just like you who sins and needs salvation from sin as a human?

Unveiled Artist · Mar 27, 2018

kjw47 said:
Yes any can be apart of the 99%--Jesus warned all-Matt 7:21-23--- so just because one stands up or try' to stand up, not all stand--some fall. ALL must be very careful in a satan ruled system of things, especially the ones trying to stand. He comes after Jesus' seed--relentlessly.
The only way to win-Matthew 16:24)-- disown oneself to follow Jesus------few can.

Therefore, there is no need to accuse any christian as a fake christian. You are ALL one body of christ.

Unless you are not following christ, there is no need to segregate yourself from christ's body.

kjw47 · Mar 27, 2018

savagewind said:
You are probably wrong to equate entering the kingdom of God with a person's salvation.
Matthew 7:21 might be about the 144,000. How do you know it is really about every soul?

Where do you think all go with salvation--it is to enter Gods kingdom.
Gods will=144,000 will stand --144,000 will go to heaven--it is not just about the 144,000. Jesus said--many will hear those words at judgement--most assuredly the same MANY he spoke of who walk the broad and spacious path.

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