I AM ignorant of the truth. Never said I wasn't... your audacity stems from you calling me ignorant... which specifically means that you think you aren't, or that you have some form of knowledge over me.
Prove it.
How am I audacious for pointing out something you yourself claim is true? To call someone ignorant isn't an insult. I was merely pointing out a fact.
And yes, I do have knowledge over you. Sure, I could recount any number of supernatural events that have happened to me as "proof," but you would still have to believe them.
Ultimately, you're asking for a sign. Jesus Christ called such a thing wickedness.
My knowledge comes from faith:
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." (Hebrews 11:1)
And who are you to say that my definition of knowledge isn't equally as valid as yours? Just because your standards of proof are different than mine doesn't mean my proof is worthless. It may be to you, but I can claim with total assurance that I am 100% correct. I
know. You do not.
Not that I know what I know through any virtue of my own:
"For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Ephesians 2:9)
The fact is I can make the same sorts of assertions about... well... about anything really. Watch how this works: Flying invisible gnomes are actually the originators of the universe. They exist in a dimension separate from ours and therefore are not subject to our universe's rules. They, in fact, created our universe's rules as a grand experiment. Their dimension is parallel to ours, and hey use special goggles to see all that is going on, and tweak things as necessary without being seen. They have no creator, for they are the basis of all creation and have existed throughout all of time. They are above the natural world, and are therefore supernatural. I mean... our universe and everything in it had to have some creator, right? Since, like you, in your infinite non-ignorance stated - logically all things that don't have the power to create must have a creator. So, this is a perfectly logical explanation - don't be one of those silly-billies who "[throw it] out the window" now, okay?
Like I just said, the gnomes are invisible. So it stands to reason they don't want you to see them, and because they are so mush more highly advanced than we are, you never will see them. You just have to listen to ME and believe in trust that they are real. Oh... and did I forget the part about how each week they want you to deposit $50 into an envelope and mail it to a specific person on Earth? This is to further their research goals, and they promise to make only positive coincidences happen to you while you are making donations. PM me if you want the address of the person.
You're being deliberately obnoxious. I can also say that there might be an actual pig that can fly, just as you can say something might be able to come from nothing or just exist somehow. Prove to me that there is no such pig!
Oh my gosh. We JUST established that intrinsic value in ANYTHING does not exist, and yet here you are, back on that kick. Is this some kind of short-term memory thing? We find uses for things... they don't have objective value or use. Maybe you should write this on a chalkboard a hundred times or something.
Just because we find uses for things doesn't mean God created them ignorant of what those uses would be. Why is He unable to impute value before a use is discovered? You place unreasonable limits on The Almighty.
So, why do you feel that examination of the geological strata, and coming to the observable conclusion that the soil of the past was not as teeming with decaying/dead once-living matter is completely impossible? You do understand that even things like worms and leaves and insects leave fossils and detectable geological evidence behind right? I mean, we're not talking about theories here. Based on the observable rate of life-to-death cycles of the major contributors to fertile soil, and the caliber at which much soil exists today, one could easily conclude with very high certainty that the current condition of the top soil of the Earth is only met by millions of years of leaves, worms, insects, dying and decaying animals, etc. having passed by. If God just "poofed" the soil here, then why does it contain those particles of leaves/worms/insects/animals/etc.? Why are there fossils? Was that just about obscuring His existence? He wants us in the dark so badly that He is willing to LIE to protect his anonymity? I have to admit, that actually sounds more plausible than the whole "for God so loved the world bit."
I merely know that examination of geological strata is junk science because of the assumptions made in the radiometric dating process. It is severely, severely and provably flawed.
I'm not going to go back and examine exactly what I was trying to get across here, except that certain things are explainable by the Lord's omnipotence. Many point to the fact that light from distant stars would have to travel for much greater lengths of time than is possible from a creationist standpoint; why can't God have created that light already here? That's not a lie any more than creating something from nothing violates the laws of physics and should therefore be considered a deception of some kind.
I can admit that the potential for music always existed, sure. But there weren't always humans to recognize it as an art form. And last I checked, things like bacteria aren't grooving to tunes. You want to talk about "bizarre" - try arguing that there always have been humans in existence. Go ahead, I'll wait.
I'm not going to argue about evolution with you, because evolution is just as insane as the Big Bang Theory. It's just foolishness. God creating a man from the elements is not at all bizarre, just as creating something from nothing isn't bizarre if the Lord did it supernaturally, which He of course did. f
This right here is your rejection of completely observable truths. And in their place you substitute a HUGE unobservable fantasy.
Please... I have knowledge that we have no knowledge - that's what i bring to the table. Note that when I said "There may be no origin" that that wasn't me ASSERTING that there was no origin. That was me, proving to you that there exist plausible alternatives to "God." And because of that, THE JURY IS STILL OUT. Until God is proven to exist beyond a shadow of reasonable doubt... well... there you have it. You're simply not being reasonable if you say you "know."
You believe a great many things that you've likely never observed for yourself. You've probably never observed an atom, yet you believe men who tell you it's there. The bacteria in your gut, likely also unobserved. Are you learned in the fields of quantum mechanics, so that you can say with total conviction that the Big Bang Theory is indeed plausible? Probably not, yet you'll trust men who say that
they know it's plausible.
Yet someone comes along and says, "I know that there is a God," and you completely discredit him, even spitefully ridicule him as though what he is saying is more absurd or unbelievable than things without brains being the basis of all existence! It's truly amazing how without God, we are just totally lost.
Am I literally the only person who has ever disagreed with you? To my knowledge you're calling an awful lot of people "insane." And what in the world is necessary about God's existence? Since even you stated that God will never make himself proven, apparently doing all He can to make sure no one ever catches hide or hair of him, what makes the universe without God any different than a universe with God, even if He exists? Do you even know?
Again... prove it.
I didn't call you insane. But I will call you foolish. It's very foolish indeed of you to speak as you do, making demands of God. Consider that He is perfectly wise, perfectly good and righteous, and that He loves you very much.
What's important here isn't that someone prove His existence to you. What's important is that you see yourself for the sinner that you are, and that you recognize your need for a Savior. Your priorities are reversed, you see. Well,
until you see that, you'll continue to shake your fists at the sky in futility. And that goes for all who are in your frame of mind.
Look to your left... matter. Look to your right... matter. Look at yourself... matter.
It doesn't matter if God exists or not if He is unwilling to make Himself known. He may as well not be there at all if He isn't going to "be there." Everything we see that is active in the universe is based on periods of refresh. Refresh of energies, refresh of forces, refresh of ideas. But God does nothing from generation to generation to refresh His existence with the fresh set of humans on Earth. And don't you just have to wonder whether that's simply because He is unwilling... or because He doesn't exist at all?
It is not difficult at all to ignore that which I do not believe exists. What's hard to ignore are blatant fabrications that are pushed as "the truth."
My heart is a muscle that pumps blood through my body. What are you saying here?
I see, you think I am "going through a phase." How about the rest of the world? I have seen figures/surveys/charts that non-religiosity is on the rise throughout sections of the world. Or is that a sign of the end times? I can never keep up with the current version of the story.
It's true, the rest of the world is in wickedness. Evil times are indeed upon us; they're already here, in fact. And yes, this
is that age where God will reconcile all things back to Himself. Yes, it's going to be very, very ugly. Already is.
God
is "here." He is totally involved in every aspect of your life. He is completely aware of your every thought, desire, of your plans and motivations, and of all of your sins. He has predestined you to do what He has determined, to be as He determines, and that you will become who He determines.
So what if you and everyone else are unaware of it? There is a good chance you were never meant to become aware. But eventually you'll understand, and you'll come to realize that it was
all meant for a good purpose, even your ignorance.
