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Scriptural Prophecies

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
What, in relation to history, that convinces you as a christian that the fulfilled prophecies in the bible are connected to the god you believe in without the validity of the bible to confirm the prophecies written?

What prophecies have been fulfilled? Please be specific. Nichiren Diashonin has prophecies when he was imprisoned in Japan. During the Japanese war, he said he knew that the different Buddhist schools will separate and monks will loose their truth to speak of The Dharma. Interestingly enough, though vague, we have many more modern temples that drop a lot of the cultural necessities of the religion in favor for the basics and up-to-date version. So, The dharma (lowercase) is slowly becoming lost. While this is an accurate prediction it is too vague to consider it a divine prophecy. Even so, the prophecy is not mere the point but without without, what it teaches. So, what makes it important is not the prophecy and fulfillment but the actual message of The Dharma that's been transmitted (and hopefully not lost) from teacher to disciple.

What, in relation to history, that convinces you as a christian that the fulfilled prophecies in the bible are connected to the god you believe in without the validity of the bible to confirm the prophecies written?

What prophecies have been fulfilled?

If there were no prophecies fulfilled and no history that talks about god, would you know god?
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
As a Christian there was a time when I did think that way, and I looked for such things and thought about prophecies that way. I do not think of prophecy that way now. Prophecies in the Jewish part of the Bible are generally not predictors of events at all. They talk about principles, cause and effect. The word 'Fulfill' in the gospels is English on a Greek Koine word plēroō . The basis of the word is that it is about filling, consuming, covering. Its root word is used when someone eats until they are full. It does not mean that something predicted happens. It would be exciting if the prophets were predicting events, but they are not. They focus on the cycles in life and the questions of how to live in such a way as to reap the best future harvest. This is heavenly knowledge and is more significant than any predictions would be. It is not exciting enough for some people who are distracted by shiny baubles and who go looking for thrills -- signs.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
What, in relation to history, that convinces you as a christian that the fulfilled prophecies in the bible are connected to the god you believe in without the validity of the bible to confirm the prophecies written?
The Bible says here is the top floor of Hell, and we can show how Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, are contrary to the Bible's prophetic line, and thus proof of that...

Historically the destruction of the 2nd temple was stated in Zechariah 11, and then a long exile where the Jews would be tortured from nation to nation (Malachi 4:5-6), was the Curse originally by Moses in Deuteronomy 28 & Leviticus 26.

In my opinion.
:innocent:
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Interesting topic which I may address further in detail, but nonetheless . . .

I consider the different religions of the world to be linked by prophecy, and the natural change and spiritual evolution of humanity.

I believe Christianity fulfilled some prophecies, but not all those claimed by the New Testament and many Christians.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
What, in relation to history, that convinces you as a christian that the fulfilled prophecies in the bible are connected to the god you believe in without the validity of the bible to confirm the prophecies written?

What prophecies have been fulfilled?

Joel 3:1 has been fulfilled, whereas "Judah"/ the Jews, and "Jerusalem" have been restored. It took the 1st WW and the subsequent Balfour Declaration to get the Zionist into Judea. It took the 2nd WW to set up the state of Israel. The subsequent prophesy to Joel 3:1, is Joel 3:2, whereas all the nations will be drawn into "wipe" "out" the "nation" of "Israel" (Psalms 83), at the valley of judgment (Joel 3:2), or better known as the Har-Magedon (Revelation 16:16). At that time, the nations of Daniel 2:35 & 44, will all be crushed by a stone "cut out of the mountain without hands" (Daniel 2:45). The gory details can be found in Zechariah 14:12, which sounds like a nuclear disaster with respect to the area around Jerusalem with the resulting surrounding nations giving up their gold and silver to Jerusalem. The broader effect will apparently be the result of a "great earthquake" (Rev 16:19). While the U.S. nuclear stock is down to I think 7000 war heads, I think they are of a better quality than the ones decommissioned. The nations surrounding Jerusalem will have to make the decision of whether to "capture" "Jerusalem" now, or wait until Trump has built back the U.S. military from the hell hole years of Obama. I think you are living in prophetic times. You just don't know it.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
Prophesy (foretelling the future) ended with John the Baptist. Prophesy (teaching gospel) is alive and well from the Spirit. Seeing where a path leads, is what the Spirit is prophesying.

Then I questioned him: "Lord how may we prophesy to those who ask us to prophesy to them? For there are many who ask us and who look to us to hear an oracle from us."
The Lord answered and said: "Do you not know that the head of prophecy was cut off with John?"
And I said: "Lord, it is not possible to remove the head of prophecy, is it?"
The Lord said to me: "When you come to know what 'head' is, and that prophecy issues from the head, then understand what is the meaning of 'Its head was removed'. I first spoke with you in parables, and you did not understand. Now, in turn, I speak with you openly, and you do not perceive. But it is you who were to me a parable in parables and what is apparent in what are open.- Secret James

Knowledge is much greater than following what foretellings are true or false.

Mark 16: 9-20 does not appear in the older Codex Sinaitucus (Bible), which leads me to believe that when the Gospel was held hostage in Latin for 800 years, the Catholic priests redefined much of it. Paul said prophesy wasn't as important. I agree. The non canon gospels don't speak of an impending "rapture" or "apocalypse". Something people believe is to come, just as the Jews believe the Messiah is yet to come.

Just my view.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Joel 3:1 has been fulfilled, whereas "Judah"/ the Jews, and "Jerusalem" have been restored.


It took the 1st WW and the subsequent Balfour Declaration to get the Zionist into Judea. It took the 2nd WW to set up the state of Israel.

The subsequent prophesy to Joel 3:1, is Joel 3:2, whereas all the nations will be drawn into "wipe" "out" the "nation" of "Israel" (Psalms 83), at the valley of judgment (Joel 3:2), or better known as the Har-Magedon (Revelation 16:16).

At that time, the nations of Daniel 2:35 & 44, will all be crushed by a stone "cut out of the mountain without hands" (Daniel 2:45). The gory details can be found in Zechariah 14:12, which sounds like a nuclear disaster with respect to the area around Jerusalem with the resulting surrounding nations giving up their gold and silver to Jerusalem.

The broader effect will apparently be the result of a "great earthquake" (Rev 16:19). While the U.S. nuclear stock is down to I think 7000 war heads, I think they are of a better quality than the ones decommissioned. The nations surrounding Jerusalem will have to make the decision of whether to "capture" "Jerusalem" now, or wait until

Trump has built back the U.S. military from the hell hole years of Obama. I think you are living in prophetic times. You just don't know it.

I was kinda following you until I got to Trump. Dont know if your correlations are objective. There a lot of history in the bible that is also and parrellels (not fortells) events today. Interesting history outside the bihle but no fulfillment of prophecy. WW1? Thats a stetch. Trump even more so.
 

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
It's My Birthday!
What, in relation to history, that convinces you as a christian that the fulfilled prophecies in the bible are connected to the god you believe in without the validity of the bible to confirm the prophecies written?

What prophecies have been fulfilled? Please be specific. Nichiren Diashonin has prophecies when he was imprisoned in Japan. During the Japanese war, he said he knew that the different Buddhist schools will separate and monks will loose their truth to speak of The Dharma. Interestingly enough, though vague, we have many more modern temples that drop a lot of the cultural necessities of the religion in favor for the basics and up-to-date version. So, The dharma (lowercase) is slowly becoming lost. While this is an accurate prediction it is too vague to consider it a divine prophecy. Even so, the prophecy is not mere the point but without without, what it teaches. So, what makes it important is not the prophecy and fulfillment but the actual message of The Dharma that's been transmitted (and hopefully not lost) from teacher to disciple.

What, in relation to history, that convinces you as a christian that the fulfilled prophecies in the bible are connected to the god you believe in without the validity of the bible to confirm the prophecies written?

What prophecies have been fulfilled?

If there were no prophecies fulfilled and no history that talks about god, would you know god?
35:1 The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.

35:2 It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.
(King James Bible, Isaiah)

This prophecy has been fulfilled. With the coming of Baha'u'llah, which name means glory of God, on the mountain of Carmel there is now a wonderful garden built by the Baha'is. Carmel has also seen the glory of the Lord in Baha'u'llah.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Joel 3:1 has been fulfilled, whereas "Judah"/ the Jews, and "Jerusalem" have been restored.
Would it have been if we didn't want people who wanted an Israel to speed up the end of the world?

The subsequent prophesy to Joel 3:1, is Joel 3:2, whereas all the nations will be drawn into "wipe" "out" the "nation" of "Israel"
To be fair, though, Israel isn't exactly the Poster Child for civil rights.

You would think a population that either experienced or knew someone who experienced wanton genocide wouldn't be so mean to the "alien" who lives with them.

Hell, their own fundamentalists try to destroy "regular" Jews, so it's not just a Jewish thing. They are trying desperately to return to a fantasy Golden Age where they got their strict theocracy and the government couldn't last more than a few decades at best.

While the U.S. nuclear stock is down to I think 7000 war heads, I think they are of a better quality than the ones decommissioned.
You act like Israel is just some poor helpless damsel in distress in the desert. They have a way bigger body count than the Palestinians AND they have nukes as well. They are trying to wipe non Jews off the map and even Jews if they don't kowtow to their fundamentalists.

or wait until Trump has built back the U.S. military from the hell hole years of Obama
I actually preferred not being ruled by toxic masculinity that thinks the solution to everything is a nuclear peeing contest.

Prophesy (foretelling the future) ended with John the Baptist.
I'm a precognitive. This isn't true.

'AND IT SHALL BE IN THE LAST DAYS,' God says, 'THAT I WILL POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL MANKIND; AND YOUR SONS AND YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY, AND YOUR YOUNG MEN SHALL SEE VISIONS, AND YOUR OLD MEN SHALL DREAM DREAMS;

That means someone still has to have gifts, right?

The Lord answered and said: "Do you not know that the head of prophecy was cut off with John?"
So Jesus never foretold anything after John's execution?

All the prophecies supposedly made after that execution were false, even though they're in the bible?
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
What, in relation to history, that convinces you as a christian that the fulfilled prophecies in the bible are connected to the god you believe in without the validity of the bible to confirm the prophecies written?

What prophecies have been fulfilled? Please be specific. Nichiren Diashonin has prophecies when he was imprisoned in Japan. During the Japanese war, he said he knew that the different Buddhist schools will separate and monks will loose their truth to speak of The Dharma. Interestingly enough, though vague, we have many more modern temples that drop a lot of the cultural necessities of the religion in favor for the basics and up-to-date version. So, The dharma (lowercase) is slowly becoming lost. While this is an accurate prediction it is too vague to consider it a divine prophecy. Even so, the prophecy is not mere the point but without without, what it teaches. So, what makes it important is not the prophecy and fulfillment but the actual message of The Dharma that's been transmitted (and hopefully not lost) from teacher to disciple.

What, in relation to history, that convinces you as a christian that the fulfilled prophecies in the bible are connected to the god you believe in without the validity of the bible to confirm the prophecies written?

What prophecies have been fulfilled?

If there were no prophecies fulfilled and no history that talks about god, would you know god?

Prophecy is an essential part of Christianity. Jesus both referred to prophecy and prophesised. For anyone who genuinely reveres and respects Christ's Teachings its an undeniable part of the whole package. What isn't helpful with prophecy as with any faith debate is when two people having opposing fixed views, each insisting they are correct and the other is wrong, don't listen or respect each other. Any interfaith discussion including prophecy is an opportunity to better understand the Sacred Teachings of one the world's great religions and how it assists us live better lives.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
What is the agenda?
To insinuate that a certain religion is better because it's literature can predict the future. Not a convincing argument, in my opinion, as ther's really no proof. Take Bahai for instance. They interpret scripture and find so called 'prophecy' to say that they all predicted the coming of their particular prophet. So that's the agenda. In my view, there are far better ways to evaluate the legitimacy of a faith.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
35:1 The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.

35:2 It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.
(King James Bible, Isaiah)

This prophecy has been fulfilled. With the coming of Baha'u'llah, which name means glory of God, on the mountain of Carmel there is now a wonderful garden built by the Baha'is. Carmel has also seen the glory of the Lord in Baha'u'llah.

Has there been prophecy in and only from the bible that already has been, not will be, fulfilled? Be specific.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Prophecy is an essential part of Christianity. Jesus both referred to prophecy and prophesised. For anyone who genuinely reveres and respects Christ's Teachings its an undeniable part of the whole package. What isn't helpful with prophecy as with any faith debate is when two people having opposing fixed views, each insisting they are correct and the other is wrong, don't listen or respect each other. Any interfaith discussion including prophecy is an opportunity to better understand the Sacred Teachings of one the world's great religions and how it assists us live better lives.

That makes sence. Many christians say that ths reason christ is the Messiah is that has already fulfilled some prophecies (and gives correct ones for those to come). Do you know which prophecies in the bible that has been fufilled so that we can see it in history (havent saw it yet in my class so far) to relate it to christ as the Messiah and not just a historical figure?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Interesting. Thank you.
Prophesy (foretelling the future) ended with John the Baptist. Prophesy (teaching gospel) is alive and well from the Spirit. Seeing where a path leads, is what the Spirit is prophesying
How did the context change being ita thebsame wordnwith two different definition. One fortelling the future and the other sharing the gospel after prophecies stopped?

The non canon gospels don't speak of an impending "rapture" or "apocalypse". Something people believe is to come, just as the Jews believe the Messiah is yet to come.

Do you know how the Jews support their view of the coming of an Messiah?
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
That makes sence. Many christians say that ths reason christ is the Messiah is that has already fulfilled some prophecies (and gives correct ones for those to come). Do you know which prophecies in the bible that has been fufilled so that we can see it in history (havent saw it yet in my class so far) to relate it to christ as the Messiah and not just a historical figure?

The Christians will refer to over 300 verses in the OT they believe relates to Christ.

Here's a few to get us started:

Jesus' name will be 'Immanuel'. Matthew 1:22-3, Isaiah 7:14

'Out of Egypt I called my son'. Mt 2:18. Hos 11:1

A ruler will come from Bethlehem. Mt 2:6, Mic 5.2

The massacre of the innocents. Mt 2:18, Jer 31:15

Beyond the Jordan, the people who sat in darkness saw a great light. Mt 4:15, Isa 9:1-2

He Himself took our infirmities/ and bore our sicknesses. Mt 8:17, Isa 53:4

Prophetic praise of Jesus, His character and ministry to the Gentiles. Mt 12:18-21, Isa 42:1-4

He will speak in parables. Mt 13:35, Ps 78:2

The Messiah will enter Jerusalem on a donkey. Mt 21:4-5, Zech 9:9
 

james dixon

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
The Bible says here is the top floor of Hell, and we can show how Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, are contrary to the Bible's prophetic line, and thus proof of that...
In my opinion. :innocent:

If you could snap your finger and walla, Christianity, Islam, and Judaism was removed from all texts, book, writings and any knowledge of it---- what kind of world would we be living in today?

in your opinion
just asking
 
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