oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
How many 'car' mass murders have occurred at US schools?
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These Students will change US gun landscape
- Thread starter sayak83
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How many 'car' mass murders have occurred at US schools?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Lol, that gave me a funny mental image.
Curious George
Veteran Member
Again. Clearly state the problem. Some guns go their entire lives without being shot. Obviously guns alone do not cause the problem.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
What exactly would a killer use to mass-murder school children if that murderer did not have a gun?
??
Curious George
Veteran Member
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
The chain saw and the butcher-knife are specifically designed to be
very efficient at disassembling organic things. Accidents, and the occasional
murder are inevitable. Explicitely designed to cause injury?
Yes and no. The nuclear bomb is designed to be able to kill.
Its actual use is something quite different.
A gun in defensive use is used far more often to prevent than to cause injury.
The car is de(signed to go very fast, which is inherently dangerous.
Accidents are inevitable. You get suicide, sometimes murder. Secondary
effects, where a knife is exactly for slicing flesh, the primary function.
The distinctions that might be made between primary and secondary
properties is academic, really.
We wont outlaw cars to prevent murder or suicide, nor accidents.
To outlaw guns to prevent suicide would be pretty ridiculous.
In Hong Kong, preferred metod is to step off the balcony.
Cant outlaw those. There is always a way.
FWIW, I was looking down from 17th floor in HK. I was going to kill
myself over something that happened in the USA. Something I could
have avoided if I'd had any means of defending myself.
This is all a bit disconnected, sorry, I am cooking and doing three things
at once.
Im sure you can find the sense in it tho. Right?
It looks as if millions of US school children do not agree with you. They'll have the vote very soon.
Obviously you need a person to pull the trigger but a gun certainly makes killing a lot easier than without.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Yes........ we had a ram-raid attack in Gravesend last week.
But how many school murders have taken place since 2001? Hmmm?
And as they mature, they become the people they now rail against.
Curious George
Veteran Member
Sure. That wasn't the point. The point was, as I said, guns are not necessarily the problem. I am not saying that they are not (even though I believe they are not). I am suggesting that it is surprising to me that you conclude so easily that they are.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Hi........ Absolutely!
This idea that a gun is best to protect from a 'home invasion'...... where do they get this crazy idea from from?
Some decent home-security keeps 'home-invasions' out. But I get the feeling that they buy a gun and do nothing else..... it's almost as if some of these gunners want to shoot at somebody.
Curious George
Veteran Member
I don't know. I am not sure what that has to do with the price of tea in China either. However you asked, I knew of at least one. So I figured, hey maybe people think they do not occur. Earlier a poster suggested that vehicular homocides was virtually nonexistent.Yes........ we had a ram-raid attack in Gravesend last week.
But how many school murders have taken place since 2001? Hmmm?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
What's mature about living in paranoia, clinging to a gun in bed?
You're schoolkids are stirring.
Geeze, Louise....are all you anti-gun types living in a world of self-serving stereotypes?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Most recent attempt in the news is here and it's not even in the US!
I'm sure France has a good car policy in consideration given that gun policies are in place already...
Car slams into crowd of people outside school in Toulouse
I'm not sure how simple logic is surprising. A person bent on murder is going to be able to kill a lot more people with a gun and especially with a semi-automatic rifle like an AR-15 than they are with a knife, car or whatever else. Do you think Stephen Paddock would've been able to mow down 58 people if he had a bolt-action rifle and not an arsenal of legal assault weapons, high capacity mags and bump stocks?
People love to bring up the terror attacks in Europe ("see, they still kill people but with trucks!") but can you imagine if the Bastille Day mass murderer used an AR-15 instead and how many more people would've been killed?
Yes, obviously the gun makes the difference. It makes killing very easy, very simple. Add to that semi-auto rifles (or fully auto in practice, with bump stocks), high capacity magazines and lax laws and high casualty killings are a cinch to pull off.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
I worked on a security operation for a national retailer in 1991.
The criminals were choosing a store at closing time, and ensuring that they were the last folks in the store at 'let-out' time. Then they soon had the staff on the floor at gun point in a neat line, picked out the responsible person/keyholder and beat them badly for safe position and keys/codes.
The store-detectives and retail investigators were all put on store-watch 'outside' the premises, and with a telephone arranged at any other venue, waiting for the same car to even pass by the watched store, and then get a call to waiting police teams.
Our ops were outside when they saw either the known vehicle or the hold-up, were outside when they alerted the police, and stayed outside after carrying out those instructions, taking as many details and descriptions as possible.
We were to stay outside. After each attack the store staff just insulted and screamed at any security op who had stayed outside and carried out their instructions. I often have thought of that recently.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Oh, you knew about a car attack in 2001, but you're not quite sure about all the mass school shootings since?
Your schoolkids seem to know.
They've been demonstrating across America, and, surprisingly, European schoolkids have been demonstrating here in support of those US schoolkids.
You might not know, but they do.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
That won't save your fast-fire guns!
Your own schoolkids are fed up with your fast-fire guns and school deaths.