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What Did Jesus Mean After Peter Asked Him, "Lord, What About Him?"

james bond

james bond

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When Peter saw him, he asked, "Lord, what about him?" John 21:21

Jesus answered, "If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me." John 21:22

This was after Jesus was resurrected. View 7:56.

 
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2ndpillar

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james bond said:
When Peter saw him, he asked, "Lord, what about him?" John 21:21

Jesus answered, "If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me." John 21:22

This was after Jesus was resurrected. View 7:56.

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When I was taking an immersion language class in Mombasa Kenya, I think I saw John, but because I just started the class, and didn't know any Kiswahili, I couldn't ask. He looked fit, but he looked at least 60 at the time. No telling how many lives he had lived. "Jesus did not say to him that he would not die" (John 21:23).
 
Kenny

Kenny

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I understand it to mean, "you work out your own salvation--between God and you, and what other people do with their own salvation and how I (God) deal with each individual is up to me and those people. Mind your own business".
 
socharlie

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David T said:
And that can swing either way!! star wars captures a bit of the issue of "Enlightenment" in how it can manifest. Jung touched upon that.
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those people had their mystery school terminology then, we fully can not understand what they meant.
 
David T

David T

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socharlie said:
those people had their mystery school terminology then, we fully can not understand what they meant.
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Exactly and you have hit the nail directly on the head on that comment. Nature, the unconscious, the logos, the cosmos, how ever we want to label it is the big invisible elephant in the room that wasn't as invisible at times in the past. The texts from antiquity are heavy duty treated in light weight modern ways. They might not be as confused as we tend to manifest personally, religiously, and believe today scientifically. The texts aren't the problem.
 
james bond

james bond

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2ndpillar said:
When I was taking an immersion language class in Mombasa Kenya, I think I saw John, but because I just started the class, and didn't know any Kiswahili, I couldn't ask. He looked fit, but he looked at least 60 at the time. No telling how many lives he had lived. "Jesus did not say to him that he would not die" (John 21:23).
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Jesus wants him to remain alive. It's impossible for a regular man to stay alive until he returns. So you think, he looks 60ish, stays to himself and lives a quiet life?

Or could it mean John 3:16? I dunno.
 
james bond

james bond

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KenS said:
I understand it to mean, "you work out your own salvation--between God and you, and what other people do with their own salvation and how I (God) deal with each individual is up to me and those people. Mind your own business".
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I hear what you're saying and it's with Jesus for me because he is the Savior. That said, what does John have to do with it? This whole movie is about the Gospel of John, so it could be just that.
 
socharlie

socharlie

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David T said:
Exactly and you have hit the nail directly on the head on that comment. Nature, the unconscious, the logos, the cosmos, how ever we want to label it is the big invisible elephant in the room that wasn't as invisible at times in the past. The texts from antiquity are heavy duty treated in light weight modern ways. They might not be as confused as we tend to manifest personally, religiously, and believe today scientifically. The texts aren't the problem.
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the best interpretation of Gospel of St. John , imo, we should seek among Gnostic writings around that time, the best modern view I found in Rudolf Steiner's writings.
 
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2ndpillar

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james bond said:
Jesus wants him to remain alive. It's impossible for a regular man to stay alive until he returns. So you think, he looks 60ish, stays to himself and lives a quiet life?

Or could it mean John 3:16? I dunno.
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I am thinking that John 3:16 is referring to John 11:25, whereas he "will live even if he dies". I am suggesting, in line with John 21:23, that John has died many deaths. For even John sinned (1 John 1:8), according to John, and he that sins, must die.(Ez 18:4). What say you?

New American Standard Bible John 11:25
Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies,"
 
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2ndpillar

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james bond said:
Here's the whole movie. 3 hours. I'm watching when I get a chance.

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Your signature line seems to have the answer. Rumor has it that Elon Musk's mother is an alien. The Star Trek type of alien. Simply find her e-mail address and ask her. She should be able to tell you about inhabited planets and all sorts of strange happenings.
 
David T

David T

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socharlie said:
the best interpretation of Gospel of St. John , imo, we should seek among Gnostic writings around that time, the best modern view I found in Rudolf Steiner's writings.
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STIENER!!! Omg we would get along in grand fashion. I can tell how a person is tracking just by what they are attracted to in writers. I stumbled onto Steiner as I was trying to get my understanding aligned in history and nature. I had a sense that how I was perceiving wasn't original at all and Steiner perked to the top very very rapidly. Steiner is difficult to understand for most people very much like jung. I have a couple of interesting observations on him. One was his biodynamic farming which precedes permanent culture and the other is about the artist Hilma Af Klint. A very very underappreciated artist because she did not release her paintings till she was dead on instructions by Steiner himself.

Hilma af Klint - Wikipedia
 
james bond

james bond

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2ndpillar said:
I am thinking that John 3:16 is referring to John 11:25, whereas he "will live even if he dies". I am suggesting, in line with John 21:23, that John has died many deaths. For even John sinned (1 John 1:8), according to John, and he that sins, must die.(Ez 18:4). What say you?

New American Standard Bible John 11:25
Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies,"
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That's one of the possibilities. John lives through his gospel. People seem to remember him more than leader Peter, for example.

If one takes it literally, then it means John is the one still living but we don't know who it is. He could be living off the land in North Canada or someplace like that.
 
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2ndpillar

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james bond said:
That's one of the possibilities. John lives through his gospel. People seem to remember him more than leader Peter, for example.

If one takes it literally, then it means John is the one still living but we don't know who it is. He could be living off the land in North Canada or someplace like that.
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Peter was simply the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:16-17, who "left the flock" (Acts 15:7), and who didn't care for, tend, or seek the scattered (John 21:15-16). He lives on in the pope, who follows in Peter's foot steps, and carries the "equipment of a foolish shepherd", a shepherds staff. (Zech 11:15). James was the shepherd of Jerusalem. Peter, who was given the "key of the house of David (Is 22:22), was "cast into a vast country" (Is 22:18), Rome, because he had shamed his master's house (Is 22:19).

When I saw him, John was living by the Indian Ocean, near the equator, and would need little to get by. A fishing net, and a pot to cook his fish in. By the way, I still cannot speak Kiswahili, except for a couple of words. I am terrible with any kind of language, including English.
 
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