Creation vs evolution

Faithofchristian · Mar 20, 2018

ChristineM said:
That's a bold and and factually untrue claim.

Adam and Eve
Gods genocide of every living being except a few close buddies and about 56 million animals
......
Walking on water
Rising from the dead.

With lots replaced by dots

Nope on the contrary, it's a very bold claim for a Christian to make.

Seeing how, you do fulfill Prophecy.

ChristineM · Mar 20, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
Nope on the contrary, it's a very bold claim for a Christian to make.

Seeing how, you do fulfill Prophecy.

So please provide evidence of your claim that "Every claim in the Bible has been verified."

Because i listed 5 claims (major biblical points) that are not only not verified but are physically impossible

Faithofchristian · Mar 20, 2018

SkepticThinker said:
I'm sorry but every claim in the Bible has not been verified. Just saying or believing it doesn't make it true. I pointed out a claim earlier that has definitely not been verified, nor is it even verifiable.

And you just admitted that the prophecy about Tyre was not fulfilled. Making up just-so stories after the story has long ago been told doesn't cut it. It's clear to me that you aren't actually interested in what is actually true. Well, I am.

Seeing how you have no idea or clue or knowledge, that every claim in the Bible as been verified.
I could only guess, since you say, every claim in the Bible has not been verified.

So who was these that every claim in the Bible has not been verified. I could only guess who they were.

Did you ever bother to ask those, who have the knowledge and understanding of the Bible, to see if every claim in the Bible has been verified, well of course not, why should you take the advice of someone who has the knowledge and understanding what the Bible does confirm's.

When you have those who are illiterate to even have the knowledge or understanding of the Bible.

SkepticThinker · Mar 20, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
Seeing how you have no idea or clue or knowledge, that every claim in the Bible as been verified.
I could only guess, since you say, every claim in the Bible has not been verified.

So who was these that every claim in the Bible has not been verified. I could only guess who they were.

Did you ever bother to ask those, who have the knowledge and understanding of the Bible, to see if every claim in the Bible has been verified, well of course not, why should you take the advice of someone who has the knowledge and understanding what the Bible does confirm's.

When you have those who are illiterate to even have the knowledge or understanding of the Bible.

I have knowledge indicating that all the claims of the Bible have not been verified. So does everyone else. Including Christians. That you ignore that reality and choose to believe it's all true, is on you.

P.S. I have read the Bible.

Faithofchristian · Mar 20, 2018

ChristineM said:
So please provide evidence of your claim that "Every claim in the Bible has been verified."

Because i listed 5 claims (major biblical points) that are not only not verified but are physically impossible

Well, the bible proves and verifies that Christ Jesus did come and will return again.

The bible also proves and verifies that people like yourself will come fulfilling Prophecy.
And the list goes on.
For every thing you can say that claims are not verified, the bible proves every claim is verified in the Bible.

ChristineM · Mar 20, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
Well, the bible proves and verifies that Christ Jesus did come and will return again.

The bible also proves and verifies that people like yourself will come fulfilling Prophecy.
And the list goes on.
For every thing you can say that claims are not verified, the bible proves every claim is verified in the Bible.

The bible is as much proof as Harry Potter, it proves nothing other than it's a book.

Atheism and other religions wete here pre bible, so no, prophecy involved in hind sight

I will repeat, the bible verifies nothing, your faith in the bible is not verification.

And i see none of the verification you claim. All i do see is very small circular reasoning.

Subduction Zone · Mar 20, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
Well, the bible proves and verifies that Christ Jesus did come and will return again.

The bible also proves and verifies that people like yourself will come fulfilling Prophecy.
And the list goes on.
For every thing you can say that claims are not verified, the bible proves every claim is verified in the Bible.

You already made prophecy worthless in how you deal with the failed Tyre prophesy. You might as well be worshiping Harry Potter as Christine pointed out.

Faithofchristian · Mar 20, 2018

SkepticThinker said:
I have knowledge indicating that all the claims of the Bible have not been verified. So does everyone else. Including Christians. That you ignore that reality and choose to believe it's all true, is on you.

P.S. I have read the Bible.

Heck reading the Bible is the easy part, which anyone can do.
But to have knowledge of understanding what the Bible verifies of the Spirit of the word.
You have no knowledge or understanding of.
Now since you have said, that you read the Bible then by all means can you explain in the book of Revelation 9:17-18 what these things stand to mean ?

Verse 17--"And thus I saw the horses in the vision and them that sat on them, having breast plates of Fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone, and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions, and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
Verse 18--"By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by smoke and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths"

By all means, can you explain what all things be to Represents. Unless you believe that horses heads are actually lions heads, Unless you actually believe that horses will have fire and smoke and brimstone coming out of their mouths.

I will be Waiting, To see just how much knowledge you actually have of the bible.

Faithofchristian · Mar 20, 2018

ChristineM said:
The bible is as much proof as Harry Potter, it proves nothing other than it's a book.

Atheism and other religions wete here pre bible, so non prophecy involved in hind sight

I will repeat, the bible verifies nothing, your faith in the bible is not verification.

And i see nine of the verification you claim. All i do see is very small circular reasoning.

Well of course your going to say that, it wouldn't be natural of you to say anything else.
My faith in the Bible as a Christian is all I need. My verification of the bible is all I need as a Christian.
Maybe not to you, but then your verification of the bible as a unbeliever means nothing to a Christian.

ChristineM · Mar 20, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
Well of course your going to say that, it wouldn't be natural of you to say anything else.
My faith in the Bible as a Christian is all I need. My verification of the bible is all I need as a Christian.
Maybe not to you, but then your verification of the bible as a unbeliever means nothing to a Christian.

You made a statement, you now refuse to stand by that statement by presenting evidence to validate your claim.

A simple, "i believe" is far better than being caught out

Subduction Zone · Mar 20, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
Heck reading the Bible is the easy part, which anyone can do.
But to have knowledge of understanding what the Bible verifies of the Spirit of the word.
You have no knowledge or understanding of.
Now since you have said, that you read the Bible then by all means can you explain in the book of Revelation 9:17-18 what these things stand to mean ?

Verse 17--"And thus I saw the horses in the vision and them that sat on them, having breast plates of Fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone, and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions, and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
Verse 18--"By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by smoke and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths"

By all means, can you explain what all things be to Represents. Unless you believe that horses heads are actually lions heads, Unless you actually believe that horses will have fire and smoke and brimstone coming out of their mouths.

I will be Waiting, To see just how much knowledge you actually have of the bible.

You don't have understanding, you have confirmation bias. There is a big difference.

ChristineM · Mar 20, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
Verse 17--"And thus I saw the horses in the vision and them that sat on them, having breast plates of Fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone, and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions, and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
Verse 18--"By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by smoke and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths"

Thats what the book says. You can interpret it in whatever way makes you happy

Faithofchristian · Mar 20, 2018

ChristineM said:
Thats what the book says. You can interpret it in whatever way makes you happy

So what your saying, is that there will be actually horses with heads like lions that will have fire and smoke and brimstone coming out of their mouths.

You got to be kidding.

ChristineM · Mar 20, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
So what your saying, is that there will be actually horses with heads like lions that will have fire and smoke and brimstone coming out of their mouths.

You got to be kidding.

Nope. Thats what the Bible is saying and you quoted it word for word.

So you think im kidding about what is written in the bible when you quoted it but apparently dont believe what it says so you need to interpret it to mean something different from what it says. But are apparently unwilling to say what you think it means but want us to guess what you think it means.

Good game isn't it?

Faithofchristian · Mar 20, 2018

ChristineM said:
Nope. Thats what the Bible is saying and you quoted it word for word.

So you think im kidding about what is written in the bible when you quoted it but apparently dont believe what it says so you need to interpret it to mean something different from what it says. But are apparently unwilling to say what you think it means but want us to guess what you think it means.

Good game isn't /[QUOTE\]

Look God uses things such animals and insects to represent things.

God is hopeing that people will have enough smarts and common sense, to know there is no men on horses with fire and smoke and brimstone coming out of their mouths.

God uses animals and insects to represent other things.

Look in the book of Revelation, you will find the Locust army.
Have you ever seen Locust coming across an open field, they are so thick, that from a distance they look like a big dark cloud that you can't see thru because of the Locust being so thick.
The Locust army represent a human military that from a distance these men are so thick.moving across an open field like Locust do. So the Locust army is not real Locust insects, but a Military of men. Moving like Locust do. Across land.

Subduction Zone · Mar 20, 2018

ChristineM said:
Nope. Thats what the Bible is saying and you quoted it word for word.

So you think im kidding about what is written in the bible when you quoted it but apparently dont believe what it says so you need to interpret it to mean something different from what it says. But are apparently unwilling to say what you think it means but want us to guess what you think it means.

Good game isn't it?

It is the old game of reading the Bible literally until it becomes to inconvenient. Is God a liar? According to F o C yes.

jmt09 · Mar 20, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
Well, the bible proves and verifies that Christ Jesus did come and will return again.

The bible also proves and verifies that people like yourself will come fulfilling Prophecy.
And the list goes on.
For every thing you can say that claims are not verified, the bible proves every claim is verified in the Bible.

I’m a little worried that your argument is circular. It seems like you are saying: the Bible’s claims are verified because the Bible says so. This begs the question because you are assuming your position is true in order to make your case for your position.

I’m also not clear as what it means to say that the Bible is ‘verified’. Which parts are verified in your thinking?

jmt09 · Mar 20, 2018

Subduction Zone said:
It is the old game of reading the Bible literally until it becomes to inconvenient. Is God a liar? According to F o C yes.

The question is: why should we say that it all needs to be read literally? For instance, the Bible has poetry. I don’t see why it must be taken literally when it seems to be speaking figuratively.

jmt09 · Mar 20, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
Well, the bible proves and verifies that Christ Jesus did come and will return again.

The bible also proves and verifies that people like yourself will come fulfilling Prophecy.
And the list goes on.
For every thing you can say that claims are not verified, the bible proves every claim is verified in the Bible.

How can the Bible verify Christ returning again when he (presumably) hasn’t returned yet?

jmt09 · Mar 20, 2018

ChristineM said:
So please provide evidence of your claim that "Every claim in the Bible has been verified."

Because i listed 5 claims (major biblical points) that are not only not verified but are physically impossible

Curious: why think these are physically impossible? Presumably, God created the physical universe and thus presumably could rearrange molecules, etc. For instance, why think it’s physically impossible for Jesus to rise from the dead? It seems like you’d need to assume that God doesn’t exist or that that type of thing couldn’t happen. But if God exists, it could...right? In other words, if our world is one where there is a God that created everything, then it’s not a stretch to think that he could intervene in these ways.

I’m not saying I believe everything literally happened as the Bible records. But, to say it’s physically impossible can only be said if you assume at the outset that our world is not one where God exists—which might be question begging.

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