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What will be the first question of the tares when they find out the Rapture is a hoax?

2ndpillar

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What will be the first question of the tares when they find out their Rapture is a hoax? Matthew 13:30

As it is the” tares” who are “first” “ gathered up” and “thrown into the fire” before the good “wheat” is gathered into the barn, what will the tares first ask when they find themselves where there is “weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matthew 13:30 & 42)? Remember that the Feast of First Fruits quickly follows the Feast of Unleavened Bread.


New American Standard Bible Matthew 13:30
'Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn."'"
 

InChrist

Free4ever
What will be the first question of the tares when they find out their Rapture is a hoax? Matthew 13:30

As it is the” tares” who are “first” “ gathered up” and “thrown into the fire” before the good “wheat” is gathered into the barn, what will the tares first ask when they find themselves where there is “weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matthew 13:30 & 42)? Remember that the Feast of First Fruits quickly follows the Feast of Unleavened Bread.


New American Standard Bible Matthew 13:30
'Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn."'"
Jesus clearly states in Matthew 13: 38 that the field He refers to in this parable is the world, not the church..." He answered, “The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one.

The rapture is for the church. This parable has no connection to the church or the rapture.

What is the Parable of the Wheat and the Tares?
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Jesus clearly states in Matthew 13: 38 that the field He refers to in this parable is the world, not the church..." He answered, “The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one.

The rapture is for the church. This parable has no connection to the church or the rapture.

What is the Parable of the Wheat and the Tares?

Wrong again. The "word of the kingdom" is the "good seed' (Mt 13:19). The word of the "enemy" was the tare seed, which was mixed in the same field as the "word of the kingdom", which would be the NT. The tares themselves, which grew from the seed, of the enemy, and were wheat looking weeds, tares, which produced no fruit, were the sons of the "evil one" (Mt 13:38). The one who sowed the "good seed", the "word of the kingdom", was the "son of man" (Mt 13:37). The "son of man" didn't plant men, he planted the "word of the kingdom", whereas the "enemy" planted the word of the false gospel of grace, which resulted in non fruit producing weeds, which try to appear as fruit producing wheat. The image of the tares was captured in "stumbling blocks" and "those who commit lawlessness" (Mt 13:41), which is displayed in Mt 13:49 as the "wicked".
 

David1967

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Premium Member
What will be the first question of the tares when they find out their Rapture is a hoax? Matthew 13:30

As it is the” tares” who are “first” “ gathered up” and “thrown into the fire” before the good “wheat” is gathered into the barn, what will the tares first ask when they find themselves where there is “weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matthew 13:30 & 42)? Remember that the Feast of First Fruits quickly follows the Feast of Unleavened Bread.


New American Standard Bible Matthew 13:30
'Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn."'"

Interesting thought. I dont have a definitive opinion regarding this, but I think this is the opinion taught by Arnold Murray.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Wrong again. The "word of the kingdom" is the "good seed' (Mt 13:19). The word of the "enemy" was the tare seed, which was mixed in the same field as the "word of the kingdom", which would be the NT. The tares themselves, which grew from the seed, of the enemy, and were wheat looking weeds, tares, which produced no fruit, were the sons of the "evil one" (Mt 13:38). The one who sowed the "good seed", the "word of the kingdom", was the "son of man" (Mt 13:37). The "son of man" didn't plant men, he planted the "word of the kingdom", whereas the "enemy" planted the word of the false gospel of grace, which resulted in non fruit producing weeds, which try to appear as fruit producing wheat. The image of the tares was captured in "stumbling blocks" and "those who commit lawlessness" (Mt 13:41), which is displayed in Mt 13:49 as the "wicked".
The "word of the kingdom" may be the good seed, but nevertheless, as I said previously Jesus said the field where the seeds (good and bad) are planted and grow is the world.
The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. Matthew 13:38



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First of all, in these parables it is not Christ rapturing His own up to heaven but the angels gathering both wicked and righteous. Nor is there a resurrection; but both the wicked and the righteous are alive upon earth. There is nothing about the judgment of those who have died. Furthermore, in both parables it is the wicked who are taken first.

The Rapture and resurrection must occur before the final gathering of the wicked from earth for Christ’s promise to be fulfilled that His disciples would reign on thrones over the twelve tribes of Israel (Lk 22:28-30). Revelation 19 records the marriage of Christ and His bride in heaven before He returns to rescue Israel in the midst of Armageddon and to destroy Antichrist and set up His kingdom. Obviously, the Rapture must have already occurred for Christ’s bride to be in heaven. She accompanies Him from heaven to earth to reign with Him (“they shall be priests of God and Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years” - Rv 20:6).

In these parables, however, the wicked are destroyed first and then the righteous are gathered—and there is nothing about a resurrection. In contrast, the rapture passages either imply (as in Jn 14) or directly include the resurrection of believers (as in 1 Thes:4:16 and 1 Cor:15:52-57)—and there is nothing about the wicked being taken at all, much less first.


There is no question that both parables refer to “the end of the age.” This must be the end of the Millennium, during which multitudes of those whose hearts are evil have been allowed to live side by side with the righteous under Christ’s reign on earth from David’s throne in Jerusalem. It is only at the end of the thousand years when Satan is loosed that the wickedness of the hearts of those who are secretly opposed to the Lord is revealed, they follow Satan in an attack against Jerusalem and are all destroyed together (Rv 20:7-9). Then the righteous living on earth are brought into the eternal kingdom of the new heavens and new earth—over which His bride will continue to reign with Christ.'
Question: Doesn’t the pretrib rapture contradict the parable of the weeds (Matthew 13:30)...?
 
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2ndpillar

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The "word of the kingdom" may be the good seed, but nevertheless, as I said previously Jesus said the field where the seeds (good and bad) are planted and grow is the world.
The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. Matthew 13:38



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First of all, in these parables it is not Christ rapturing His own up to heaven but the angels gathering both wicked and righteous. Nor is there a resurrection; but both the wicked and the righteous are alive upon earth. There is nothing about the judgment of those who have died. Furthermore, in both parables it is the wicked who are taken first.

The Rapture and resurrection must occur before the final gathering of the wicked from earth for Christ’s promise to be fulfilled that His disciples would reign on thrones over the twelve tribes of Israel (Lk 22:28-30). Revelation 19 records the marriage of Christ and His bride in heaven before He returns to rescue Israel in the midst of Armageddon and to destroy Antichrist and set up His kingdom. Obviously, the Rapture must have already occurred for Christ’s bride to be in heaven. She accompanies Him from heaven to earth to reign with Him (“they shall be priests of God and Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years” - Rv 20:6).

In these parables, however, the wicked are destroyed first and then the righteous are gathered—and there is nothing about a resurrection. In contrast, the rapture passages either imply (as in Jn 14) or directly include the resurrection of believers (as in 1 Thes:4:16 and 1 Cor:15:52-57)—and there is nothing about the wicked being taken at all, much less first.


There is no question that both parables refer to “the end of the age.” This must be the end of the Millennium, during which multitudes of those whose hearts are evil have been allowed to live side by side with the righteous under Christ’s reign on earth from David’s throne in Jerusalem. It is only at the end of the thousand years when Satan is loosed that the wickedness of the hearts of those who are secretly opposed to the Lord is revealed, they follow Satan in an attack against Jerusalem and are all destroyed together (Rv 20:7-9). Then the righteous living on earth are brought into the eternal kingdom of the new heavens and new earth—over which His bride will continue to reign with Christ.'
Question: Doesn’t the pretrib rapture contradict the parable of the weeds (Matthew 13:30)...?

Apparently the "evil one" came and snatched away what was sown in your heart (the word of the kingdom), for you apparently do not "understand it".

Matthew 13:19: "When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is the one on whom seed was sown beside the road. The seed, the word of the kingdom, may have been sown world wide (Mt 24:14), but it was contained in the NT, along with the tare seed, the seed of the "evil one". The matured plants of the good wheat seed produces fruit. The matured plants of the "tare" seed, while looking like the wheat, produce no edible fruit. That is inherent in the tare plant. Again, I suggest you get a better bible translation. That is also inherent in the followers of the gospel of grace. No fruit is required. Their key is "faith alone". But as James said, "faith without works is useless" (James 2:20).

The parable of Mt 13 refers to the "end of the age" (Mt 13:39) , the same time that Daniel will come to claim his "allotted portion", and then reign for 1000 years (Daniel 12:13) & (Rev 22:4). It has nothing to do with the end of millennium. You are simply being double minded to try and hold on to your false interpretation. The devil, the "evil one", doesn't sow men, he sows lies, such as Paul's father, the serpent, who said, "you surely shall not die" (Genesis 3:4) and repeated by Paul in 1 Thess 4:16. And there is no "pretrib rapture" for those not dead.

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days", "angels" will gather up the "elect" after "all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the son of man coming on the clouds". (Mt 24:29-31) These "elect" would be the likes of Daniel, who have died and are waiting (Rev 6:9). "Everyone will die for his own iniquity" (Jer 31:30). You will die, just as your false prophet died. There is no "pretrib rapture" for the living. There is only the gathering of the tares, and the taking up of the elect to the "land I gave to Jacob, the "house of Israel" (Ez 36:24) and Israel & Judah (Ez 37:15-25).

After the "day of distress" (Jer 16:19) the "nations"/Gentiles will say,"our fathers have inherited nothing but falsehood", the same falsehoods which you preach. You should take care not to preach to the "little ones" lest you cause them to stumble, and it would be better that you were not born. (Mt 18:6-7). The "time is near" (Rev 22:9). You can continue to do wrong (Rev 22:9), but don't think you should rest comfortably.(Isaiah 28:19-20).
 
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