Milton Platt
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Don't have to worry about that.....
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Christ Has returned, what should have we looked for?
Don't have to worry about that.....
To which Baha'u'llah did exemplify.
Thus it is up to you to Judge the Prophet, as the Bible tells you to do so.
Regards Tony
Ahhhhhh!
John's Revelation............ !
I wonder how many mushrooms he ate on that particular day.
And Jesus never spoke Greek, so omega and alpha is all just ........
The Book of Revelation is part of the Bible we have to day, to which a Baha'i will support as the Word of God; The bible has fulfilled its purpose and brought us to the 'Day of God' and the 'Glory of God' has given us insight into the meanings contained within. Thus we can use it for the purpose it was given, or use it for our own purpose. We have free will to do this.
"Inscription in the Old Bible Written by ‘Abdu’l-Bahá in Persian
THIS book is the Holy Book of God, of celestial Inspiration. It is the Bible of Salvation, the Noble Gospel. It is the mystery of the Kingdom and its light. It is the Divine Bounty, the sign of the guidance of God." Abdu’l-Bahá Abbás"
Hope you are well, Regards Tony
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
So why would Christians think anything but that it is Jesus coming back? And, Jerusalem had gates, which "gate" did these other guys enter? You've already claimed the east gate for Baha'u'llah.
I want to bring up questions about the Book of Revelation that I've had since the "Great Being" thread.
I've asked about the problems with the 1260 days/years in another post. But the gist of the question is: We have 1260 mentioned five times. So when was the Holy City trampled in Rev 11:2. Whenever that date is, we add the 1260 years. Rev 11:3... When did the two witnesses start prophesying. From that date, we add 1260 years.
Rev 11:9... The two witnesses are killed. When did that happen? From that date, we add 1260, because they lie in the street for 31/2 days or the 1260 years.
Rev 12:6... The woman gives birth then flees. When did that happen? From that date she is in the wilderness for 1260 years.
Rev 13:5... the beast gets authority from the dragon. When did that happen? From that point, the beast exercises his authority for the 1260 years.
Rev 13:11... No more 1260 year references, but here's another beast that comes after the first beast. So it has to be after the 1260 years of the first beast, doesn't it? But we do get a supposed date from this beast, the number of his name is 666, which Baha'is have made into a date... the start of the Ummayad dynasty?
There has got to be a better explanation then the one I got in the other thread. These things in Revelation, as you have said, must come to pass before the return of Christ. To make "Woes" the manifestations to me isn't a good interpretation. But then to make the beasts and other bad things that happen all part of the "evil" leaders of Islam? It doesn't make sense to me. You got anything?Rev 11:9... The two witnesses are killed. When did that happen? From that date, we add 1260, because they lie in the street for 31/2 days or the 1260 years.
Rev 12:6... The woman gives birth then flees. When did that happen? From that date she is in the wilderness for 1260 years.
Rev 13:5... the beast gets authority from the dragon. When did that happen? From that point, the beast exercises his authority for the 1260 years.
Rev 13:11... No more 1260 year references, but here's another beast that comes after the first beast. So it has to be after the 1260 years of the first beast, doesn't it? But we do get a supposed date from this beast, the number of his name is 666, which Baha'is have made into a date... the start of the Ummayad dynasty?
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Remember George Harrison's song "My Sweet Lord"? Some Christians thought that was so cool... until they found out it was about the Lord Krishna. We've discussed the differences between the Baha'i Faith and Hinduism and Buddhism in another thread. We've talked about the differences between Judaism, Christianity, Islam and the Baha'is. Baha'is can't have reincarnation. They can't have a literal Creation Story. They can't have Jesus be the only one that can save people from sin. They can't have a real hell or Satan. If God is one. If God isn't a God of confusion. If God revealed all these religions as a progressive culminating in the Baha'i Faith, then that god isn't doing a very good job. That god has given and allowed misinformation. That god cannot be trusted.
Revelation and Prophecy is not a precise chronological unfolding of time events. Prophecy contains keys of understanding.
As stated the reference to 1260 is the duration of the Message of Islam. It is taken from the Year AD622 and concludes in AD1844, which is 1260 Luna Years of the Muslim Calendar. The events mentioned in the Prophecies are thus further confirmed that it was the Revelation of Muhammad and that we should look for events within that time frame to confirm the accuracy of the Prophecy.
Luckily Abdul'baha gave us the heads up and showed us the way we should think about these matters.
Regards Tony
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
So when I see inaccuracies I'm wrong?
You must choose the way you look at it. It is your journey.
I have said that First you have to decide if Baha'u'llah who is who he says He is and if you find that to be so, then Trust Him. Then we begin to see through Baha'u'llahs eyes and not our own.
I never trust my own thoughts anymore. I always confirm that there is a writing in the Baha'i Faith to confirm a thought.
This is where I was lucky, I had no Faith and the first thing I read was about the Life of the Bab and Baha'u'llah and Abdul'Baha. I connected with their heart in spirit, well before I saw proofs.
Regards Tony
Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand......
........Revelation 2:17'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches To him who overcomes, to him I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and a new name written on the stone which no one knows but he who receives it.'.....
.....Revelation 3:12'He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name."
New Jerusalem and New Name.
Regards Tony
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Names do not matter… The truth is that there is only one true God and the Revelation of Baha’u’llah is the Ocean by which we will all be united.
“All praise be to the one true God—exalted be His glory—inasmuch as He hath, through the Pen of the Most High, unlocked the doors of men’s hearts. Every verse which this Pen hath revealed is a bright and shining portal that discloseth the glories of a saintly and pious life, of pure and stainless deeds. The summons and the message which We gave were never intended to reach or to benefit one land or one people only. Mankind in its entirety must firmly adhere to whatsoever hath been revealed and vouchsafed unto it. Then and only then will it attain unto true liberty. The whole earth is illuminated with the resplendent glory of God’s Revelation….”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 96
“O people! I swear by the one true God! This is the Ocean out of which all seas have proceeded, and with which every one of them will ultimately be united. From Him all the Suns have been generated, and unto Him they will all return. Through His potency the Trees of Divine Revelation have yielded their fruits, every one of which hath been sent down in the form of a Prophet, bearing a Message to God’s creatures in each of the worlds whose number God, alone, in His all-encompassing Knowledge, can reckon. This He hath accomplished through the agency of but one Letter of His Word, revealed by His Pen—a Pen moved by His directing Finger—His Finger itself sustained by the power of God’s Truth.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 104
“O friends! Help ye the one true God, exalted be His glory, by your goodly deeds, by such conduct and character as shall be acceptable in His sight. He that seeketh to be a helper of God in this Day, let him close his eyes to whatever he may possess, and open them to the things of God. Let him cease to occupy himself with that which profiteth him, and concern himself with that which shall exalt the all-compelling name of the Almighty.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 272
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
And so the Bahai Faith is not just founded on the writings of Bahauallah, but also upon those of Abdul Baha.
And if the Bible is the the Holy Book of God, then all those contradictions and differences within the gospel accounts can only help to show Bahai to be extremely questionable.
You have a good sleep tonite (I've just got up!
)Old-B
And so the Bahai Faith is not just founded on the writings of Bahauallah, but also upon those of Abdul Baha.
And if the Bible is the the Holy Book of God, then all those contradictions and differences within the gospel accounts can only help to show Bahai to be extremely questionable.
You have a good sleep tonite (I've just got up!
Old-B
Ha ha yes we are opposite time zones.
The writings of the Bab, Baha'u'llah, Abdul'baha and Shoghi Effendi are the Holy writings of the Baha'i Faith. Those of the Universal House of Justice our guidance on those writings.
I think you would like Shoghi Effendi, the vision he had of The New World Order and what he has written for guidance is truly amazing. He suffered greatly in this role.
The Bible supports fully who and what I have found Baha'u'llah to be.
Consider we hold all the Religions of the world in the same light.
So far in the history of religion to date, if this unity in Faith and Thought is not the promised Day of God, the One Fold under One Shepherd, what Faith and Thought will be?
Regards Tony
You can only trust ONE God, and that is the God of the Bible, Jehovah, and when one start mixing them all gods in one religion then conflicts begin and when there are conflicts there are confusions and instead of correcting these errors they patched things up with more human errors or with more "PROGRESSIVE REVELATION" until one day these errors becomes the truth in their minds but “The one who is throwing you into confusion will pay the penalty, whoever he may be.” Galatians 5:10
“It is better to be divided by truth than united in error.” – Martin Luther
“I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.” –Galatians 1:6-7
"Names do not matter" It matters to the Lord Jesus. “To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out." -John 10:3
"And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." -Revelation 20:15
It did not specifically say that it was Baha’u’llah who would come for the 2nd time as the “NEW NAME” of the Lord Jesus. The “NEW NAME” of the Lord Jesus will be given to the believers only after the rapture or the salvation of the believers. “so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.” -Hebrews 9:28
Very clear it says: “not to bear sin, but to bring salvation” 1st COMING is about dealing with sin. The 2nd COMING is about salvation and judgment.
Notice here: “the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God;” –Revelation 3:12. Do we have or see “the new Jerusalem” today? NO!!! Now, if there is NO “new Jerusalem” yet then we can only conclude the Lord Jesus has NOT come yet for the second time, right?
You could harmonize Revelation 3:12 with Revelation 21:2 “I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.” This verse and Rev. 3:12 is after the rapture, or after the 2nd coming of the Lord Jesus, and Paul was talking about this in 1 Corinthians 15:52 "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." Changed into what? From mortality to immortality.
“For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality.” - Corinthians 15:53, and with immortal bodies comes with “new heaven and a new earth”
“Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea.” Revelation 21:1
You can harmonize this verse to these verses.
"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first;" -1Thessalonians 4:16
"then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." -1Thessalonians 4:17
It's very clear that on Christ 2nd coming, Christians will be “be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air” -1Thessalonians 4:17
There is no room for your religion or bahaullah here.
You said, "Personally I know Jesus as 'Christ'", but like the Pharisees, I guess you did NOT understand the question, right?
“How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him ‘Lord’? For he says, --Matthew 22:43
“ ‘The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.” ’ -Matthew 22:44
"If then David calls him ‘Lord/God/ADNY,’ how can he be his son?” -Matthew 22:45
Enigmatic is the right word. The phrase, “The Lord/YHWH said to my Lord/God/ADNY” or “The God/YHWH said to my GOD/ADNY” or King David, “speaking by the Spirit, calls HIM, i.e., the Lord Jesus Christ as the ‘Lord/God/ADNY’ in Psalm 110:1 and at the same time “how can he be his son” was so enigmatic to the Jews back then. King David called the Lord Jesus as “My Lord/God/ADNY” just like Thomas did in John 20:28 “My Lord and my God!” Do you understand this?
The word “LORD” in Ancient Hebrew Text translates into “ADNY”, or “God” in English, but the Masorites, aka, Masoretic Text, with their VOWEL POINTS changed it to “adoni” meaning “master”. Why? Just like the word “Echad” a “United ONE/Echad” was changed into “Yachid” an “Only ONE/Yachid” because in "Echad" there’s the "Triune God" while in "Yachid" an only one God. You see all these changes here? Why? Here’s why!
They, the Masorites, back in 300AD, saw the Lord Jesus as the “LORD/ADNY/GOD” in Psalm 110:1 where Matthew quoted verse 44 from the Septuagint “THE Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.” – Psalm 110:1 and changed the word “ADNY/God/Lord” to “adoni” with their VOWEL POINTS to mean it as “master” instead of “God/ADNY”.
Do you understand this?
You see how people with twisted mind changed things?
So, in verse 46, the reason why the Pharisees could not answer this question, [Mat22:45 If David then calls him Lord, how is he his son?] is or was because, back then, or during the silent years, or the intertestamental years, there were no prophets prophesying. So reading Psalm 110:1 was so enigmatic to the Jews during those years that they could not understand to whom king David was referring to when he said: Psa110:1 THE Lord/YHWH said unto my Lord/ADNY/GOD, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool..
The Jews could not understand that king David was referring to Jesus Christ in His resurrection.
How did King David saw all these things, the resurrection and the ascension of the Lord Jesus Christ?
“For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.” Psalm 16:10
Do you understand all these? You won't see your beloved bahaullah here.
You have been and still are more than free to Prove the validity of this statement from the Torah, by Showing Specifically and Undoubtedly that Jesus of Nazareth, who then became known as Christ, Son Of God, who was then further called a Trinity, thus being God, was specifically mentioned in this way as the Messiah.
Regards Tony
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Good thing that Baha’u’llah was written into the book of life then, given Baha’u’llah translates into Glory of God in Arabic….
Speaking of names, when Jesus returns, we know for sure He will not be called “Christ.”
Luke 21:8 “And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.”
Matthew 24:5 “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.”
Hmmmmmmmmmm………..