Who has the Key?

wizanda · Mar 11, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
Can you explain in Revelation 9:18--"By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths"

It would be a guess if I did... I know what the God Most High has shown me to understand.

Faithofchristian said:
What does it mean, men were killed by fire and by smoke and brimstone ?

What i see on reading this is a tank, with it shooting fire out of its mouth... Yet what timeline, not sure.

Faithofchristian said:
There is no where in Isaiah 29:14, that its
the Bible being spoken of. All it's said was
( Like a book that is sealed ) there's no reference that this being the bible.

It doesn't have to, it is cryptic like much of the prophets, so there are tons of keyword references that show it is talking about what we find in the prophets; even the first two examples i just gave you would show that clearly.

Faithofchristian said:
So your saying that since birth you know what is sent from heaven with knowledge of what is sealed.

To some degree I recognize those who are worthy of Heaven in their writings, and know certain prophets personally; yet to declare I know what is sent from Heaven isn't something I'd do, as only God knows that for sure.

In my opinion.

Faithofchristian · Mar 11, 2018

wizanda said:
It would be a guess if I did... I know what the God Most High has shown me to understand.

What i see on reading this is a tank, with it shooting fire out of its mouth... Yet what timeline, not sure.

It doesn't have to, it is cryptic like much of the prophets, so there are tons of keyword references that show it is talking about what we find in the prophets; even the first two examples i just gave you would show that clearly.

To some degree I recognize those who are worthy of Heaven in their writings, and know certain prophets personally; yet to declare I know what is sent from Heaven isn't something I'd do, as only God knows that for sure.

In my opinion.

You know something I have as of yet, to see any tank the shoots fire and smoke and brimstone.

The fire and smoke and brimstone comes from the Locust army. And not from some tank. As you suppose it does.

wizanda · Mar 11, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
You know something I have as of yet, to see any tank the shoots fire and smoke and brimstone.

Brimstone is another name for sulfur, which is used for explosives, which is how the tank shoots missiles with fire, and smoke out of its mouth (Revelation 9:18).

In my opinion.

Faithofchristian · Mar 11, 2018

wizanda said:
Brimstone is another name for sulfur, which is used for explosives, which is how the tank shoots missiles with fire, and smoke out of its mouth (Revelation 9:18).

In my opinion.

As to how do you get brimstone, which is the brimstone that is place around the altar of God, Of sacrifices.
when the Sacrificial lamb is sacrifice the fat and greece runs off on to the brimstone and is burned up from the brimstone being so hot. That the fat and Greece burns into ashes.

Faithofchristian · Mar 11, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
As to how do you get brimstone, which is the brimstone that is place around the altar of God, Of sacrifices.
when the Sacrificial lamb is sacrifice the fat and greece runs off on to the brimstone and is burned up from the brimstone being so hot. That the fat and Greece burns into ashes.

Here's another way of looking at brimstone.
Let's say you build a barbecue grill outside and you put brimstones around it, to hold the fire and heat inside of the barbecue grill, but the greece and fat runs off on to the brimstone being burned up, leaving your food without alot of greece and fat greece on your food.

TransmutingSoul · Mar 11, 2018

wizanda said:
It would be a guess if I did... I know what the God Most High has shown me to understand.

Baha'u'llah is the only path to God in this age. Baha'u'llah has said no other Message will be given from God for a full 1000 years.

You may have to consider what is the source you are drawing from, if what you are seeing does not tie into what Baha'u'llah has offered.

Stay well and happy, regards Tony

Fool · Mar 12, 2018

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
All I can say Kelly is that Baha'u'llah has asked you to Judge Him as to His Person and Message and make that choice for your own self.

Personally I have found that all hope is within that Message and we know it will not be the last.

The Bahá’í Faith - The website of the worldwide Bahá’í community

Regards Tony

sounds like another cult of personality

Fool · Mar 12, 2018

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Baha'u'llah is the only path to God in this age. Baha'u'llah has said no other Message will be given from God for a full 1000 years.

You may have to consider what is the source you are drawing from, if what you are seeing does not tie into what Baha'u'llah has offered.

Stay well and happy, regards Tony

anthropolatry is not condoned by any abrahamic belief system

Fool · Mar 12, 2018

wizanda said:
This is partially right, the Angel that comes down from Heaven in Revelation 10, who also has the new name (Revelation 3:12 'pillar'), has been given the mysteries of the Bible as a sealed book, written in Isaiah 8, Isaiah 29:9-14, Isaiah 30:8-11, Zechariah 5, Ezekiel 1-7, etc.

In my opinion.

there are two pillars to the entrance of the temple. one was called jachin, the other boaz.

According to Josephus in Antiquities of the Jews, Boaz (Hebrew בֹּעַז bōʿaz "In him/it [is] strength") stood on the left when entering Solomon's Temple, while Jachin (Tiberian Hebrew יָכִין yāḵîn "He/it will establish") stood on the right,[2] and the two were made by Hiram.[3]

Boaz and Jachin - Wikipedia

Song of Songs 5:15
His legs are pillars of marble set on bases of pure gold. His appearance is like Lebanon, choice as its cedars.

Revelation 10:1
[ The Angel and the Little Scroll ] Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven. He was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars.

the body is the temple of the lord.

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

TransmutingSoul · Mar 12, 2018

Fool said:
anthropolatry is not condoned by any abrahamic belief system

Confirmed by Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

Regards Tony

wizanda · Mar 12, 2018

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Baha'u'llah is the only path to God in this age.

There is one Way; many paths.

Fool said:
whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

I'm not going to have a split personality disorder by trying to perceive me, as not being me.

Reality comes from God.

In my opinion.

TransmutingSoul · Mar 12, 2018

wizanda said:
There is one Way; many paths.

Bab is this Narrow 'Gate'. This Gate and the narrow road is the path to Baha'u'llah

1. Matthew 7:13-14 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

3. Isaiah 35:8 And a highway will be there; it will be called the Way of Holiness; it will be for those who walk on that Way. The unclean will not journey on it; wicked fools will not go about on it.

Many are the Truths we are yet to consider.

Regards Tony

Fool · Mar 12, 2018

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Bab is this Narrow 'Gate'. This Gate and the narrow road is the path to Baha'u'llah

1. Matthew 7:13-14 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

3. Isaiah 35:8 And a highway will be there; it will be called the Way of Holiness; it will be for those who walk on that Way. The unclean will not journey on it; wicked fools will not go about on it.

Many are the Truths we are yet to consider.

Regards Tony

Many walk on the Way. He who loves his idol more than this is not worth of the Way.

wizanda · Mar 12, 2018

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Bab is this Narrow 'Gate'. This Gate and the narrow road is the path to Baha'u'llah

1. Matthew 7:13-14 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

The statement Yeshua is making includes everything he said, about not following idolatry (mammon), that many will be deceived by the "I am" statements, etc...

Thus the idea of presenting only one person as being the narrow path is diametrically opposed to what Yeshua said in the Synoptic Gospels.

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
3. Isaiah 35:8 And a highway will be there; it will be called the Way of Holiness; it will be for those who walk on that Way. The unclean will not journey on it; wicked fools will not go about on it.

That hasn't happened yet, it is in the Messianic Age timeline... As the Ravenous Beast in Isaiah 34 have been removed by the Lord.

In my opinion.

Fool · Mar 12, 2018

wizanda said:
Brimstone is another name for sulfur, which is used for explosives, which is how the tank shoots missiles with fire, and smoke out of its mouth (Revelation 9:18).

In my opinion.

inflammatory speech?

wizanda · Mar 12, 2018

Fool said:
inflammatory speech?

If there wasn't so much other description in Revelation 9 of it being battle like.

In my opinion.

Fool · Mar 12, 2018

wizanda said:
If there wasn't so much other description in Revelation 9 of it being battle like.

In my opinion.

yes but the two witness have fire coming out of their mouth too and other inferences.

2 Samuel 22:9
Smoke rose from his nostrils; consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it.

Jeremiah 5:14
Therefore this is what the Lord God Almighty says: “Because the people have spoken these words, I will make my words in your mouth a fire and these people the wood it consumes.

Revelation 11:5
If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die.

TransmutingSoul · Mar 12, 2018

Fool said:
Many walk on the Way. He who loves his idol more than this is not worth of the Way.

Lucky a Baha'i chooses to worship of our One and Only God.

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Mar 12, 2018

wizanda said:
Thus the idea of presenting only one person as being the narrow path is diametrically opposed to what Yeshua said in the Synoptic Gospels.

The Narrow path is Knowledge that all Humanity has One God.

Look how many of our own paths we have made to God by becomming Lovers of a Name and not the Spirit which is of our One God.

Thus all the Names are the Narrow Path to God.

Think of it as a pure ray of white light, that ours eyes, because of circumstances, see it as a rainbow and think that light is many colours. We must be purged of all colours to see the pure white light.

Regards Tony

Kelly of the Phoenix · Mar 12, 2018

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
1. Matthew 7:13-14 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

I think the gate to salvation is actually quite wide. Destruction comes from narrowing the gate so much that eventually no one can get through.

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Think of it as a pure ray of white light, that ours eyes, because of circumstances, see it as a rainbow and think that light is many colours. We must be purged of all colours to see the pure white light.

If you purge the colors, you see black. You have to add up all the colors to get the white.

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