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Who has the Key?

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Who among you has a key? Who is keeping a secret?

I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

i saw one fall


[ To the Church in Philadelphia ] “To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.

The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss.

[ The Thousand Years ] And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain.




the coming forth of light
 

WalterTrull

Godfella
So, you from Philly? Truthfully, I don't know what you're getting at. I have neither deciphered Revelation nor Cyndi Lauper
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Who among you has a key? Who is keeping a secret?
No one is keeping a secret, i've told everyone on this forum multiple times I'm sent from Heaven, have the new name of Christ, and a sacred name in many religions globally.

Revelation 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a 'pillar' (Revelation 10:1 did this two years before reading the Bible properly) in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God (Mazda, Skanda, Zan, etc), and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem (Zion), which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name (Sananda - a Spanish spelling of Zanda).

Tho do admit not really blatantly telling the world, and thus come as a thief (Revelation 3:3, Revelation 16:15); as it isn't worth trying to tell the world after the standard of responses on here, and Paltalk, etc, as basically people have proven here is near Hell, thus will wait until after the Tribulation, where people actually want to listen.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
So, you from Philly? Truthfully, I don't know what you're getting at. I have neither deciphered Revelation nor Cyndi Lauper
in the unconditional mind there are no attachments so the mind's eye sees best from the center. be still and know i am love

love is a circles who's circumference is no where and whose center is everywhere.


i tell you a secret. we will all be changed in the twinkling of an eye.


the dark descends, the light rises
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
No one is keeping a secret, i've told everyone on this forum multiple times I'm sent from Heaven, have the new name of Christ, and a sacred name in many religions globally.

Revelation 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a 'pillar' (Revelation 10:1 did this two years before reading the Bible properly) in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God (Mazda, Skanda, Zan, etc), and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem (Zion), which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name (Sananda - a Spanish spelling of Zanda).

Tho do admit not really blatantly telling the world, and thus come as a thief (Revelation 3:3, Revelation 16:15); as it isn't worth trying to tell the world after the standard of responses on here, and Paltalk, etc, as basically people have proven here is near Hell, thus will wait until after the Tribulation, where people actually want to listen.

In my opinion. :innocent:


namaste great cackler


shake your money maker
 

WalterTrull

Godfella
in the unconditional mind there are no attachments so the mind's eye sees best from the center. be still and know i am love

love is a circles who's circumference is no where and whose center is everywhere.


i tell you a secret. we will all be changed in the twinkling of an eye.


the dark descends, the light rises

Oh That. Cool
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Who among you has a key? Who is keeping a secret?

I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

No man has the Keys, only Gods Appointed Messenger in each age, the 'Christ' can give the keys to True understanding. The keys to scriptures in this day, have been given by the Bab and Baha'u'llah;

Baha'u'llah has provided your answer;

"..O ye peoples of the world! Know assuredly that My commandments are the lamps of My loving providence among My servants, and the keys of My mercy for My creatures. Thus hath it been sent down from the heaven of the Will of your Lord, the Lord of Revelation. Were any man to taste the sweetness of the words which the lips of the All-Merciful have willed to utter, he would, though the treasures of the earth be in his possession, renounce them one and all, that he might vindicate the truth of even one of His commandments, shining above the day spring of His bountiful care and loving-kindness...."

"..All praise be to the one true God -- exalted be His glory -- inasmuch as He hath, through the Pen of the Most High, unlocked the doors of men's hearts. Every verse which this Pen hath revealed is a bright and shining portal that discloseth the glories of a saintly and pious life, of pure and stainless deeds. The summons and the message which We gave were never intended to reach or to benefit one land or one people only. Mankind in its entirety must firmly adhere to whatsoever hath been revealed and vouchsafed unto it. Then and only then will it attain unto true liberty. The whole earth is illuminated with the resplendent glory of God's Revelation. In the year sixty He Who heralded the light of Divine Guidance -- may all creation be a sacrifice unto Him -- arose to announce a fresh revelation of the Divine Spirit, and was followed, twenty years later, by Him through Whose coming the world was made the recipient of this promised glory, this wondrous favor. Behold how the generality of mankind hath been endued with the capacity to hearken unto God's most exalted Word -- the Word upon which must depend the gathering together and spiritual resurrection of all men...."

"..Unlock, O people, the gates of the hearts of men with the keys of the remembrance of Him Who is the Remembrance of God and the Source of wisdom amongst you. He hath chosen out of the whole world the hearts of His servants, and made them each a seat for the revelation of His glory. Wherefore, sanctify them from every defilement, that the things for which they were created may be engraven upon them. This indeed is a token of God's bountiful favor....."

"..Announce unto yourselves the joyful tidings: "He Who is the Best-Beloved is come! He hath crowned Himself with the glory of God's Revelation, and hath unlocked to the face of men the doors of His ancient Paradise." Let all eyes rejoice, and let every ear be gladdened, for now is the time to gaze on His beauty, now is the fit time to hearken to His voice. Proclaim unto every longing lover: "Behold, your Well-Beloved hath come among men!" and to the messengers of the Monarch of love impart the tidings: "Lo, the Adored One hath appeared arrayed in the fullness of His glory!" O lovers of His beauty! Turn the anguish of your separation from Him into the joy of an everlasting reunion, and let the sweetness of His presence dissolve the bitterness of your remoteness from His court..."

Baha'u'llah : Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
In the unconditional mind there are no attachments so the mind's eye sees best from the center. be still and know I am love

love is a circles who's circumference is no where and whose center is everywhere.

I tell you a secret. we will all be changed in the twinkling of an eye.

the dark descends, the light rises

Oh That. Cool

Isaiah 60:1"Arise, shine; for your light has come, And the glory of the LORD has risen upon you. 2"For behold, darkness will cover the earth And deep darkness the peoples; But the LORD will rise upon you And His glory will appear upon you. 3"Nations will come to your light, And kings to the brightness of your rising.…"

Baha'u'llah has given clarity to those thoughts;

"At a time when darkness had encompassed the world, the ocean of divine favour surged and His Light was made manifest, that the doings of men might be laid bare. This, verily, is that Light which hath been foretold in the heavenly scriptures. Should the Almighty so please, the hearts of all men will be purged and purified through His goodly utterance, and the light of unity will shed its radiance upon every soul and revive the whole earth...." Baha'u'llah : The Tabernacle of Unity

Regards Tony
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Who among you has a key? Who is keeping a secret?
Man, I JUST had it ... maybe in my other pants?

I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
It must be frustrating for God when countries all over the globe have conflicting bindings.

The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss.
Yeah, but he keeps it in his desk and I know how to get it. :)

No man has the Keys, only Gods Appointed Messenger in each age,
What if an "age" is only a few years or so? A decade? A century? The messiah gig might have a very high turnover rate.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
What if an "age" is only a few years or so? A decade? A century? The messiah gig might have a very high turnover rate.

Whenever it does happen, it is up to us to decide if it is or is not as promised.

Life has been given for us to know and Love God of our own free will.

Stay well and happy.

Regards Tony
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Who among you has a key? Who is keeping a secret?

I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

i saw one fall


[ To the Church in Philadelphia ] “To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.

The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss.

[ The Thousand Years ] And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain.




the coming forth of light


The key of David has nothing to do with the key that was given to the angel of the bottomless pit.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
In the book of Revelation 3:7--"he that has the key of David, he openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, no man openeth"

There are 3 aspects in having the key of David.

1-- knowing the seed line from king David to Christ.
2 -- knowing the seed line of the Kenites, of who they are, and how the Kenites plays a big part in these end times and in the tribulation that's coming upon the whole world.
3 -- Having,Wisdom and knowledge of understanding the book of Revelation.
What everything in Revelation means and represents and how everything in the book of Revelation are to come down.

Why else would the key of David be mentioned in the book of Revelation, if not to have the wisdom and knowledge of understanding the book of Revelation.

As to what all those things in Revelation stands to mean and represents.

That once you understand all these things, who the Kenites are and how the Kenites plays apart in the end times of the tribulation.
And understanding all those things in the book of Revelation means and represents.
Then you have the key of David, that no man can open and no man can shut.

This means that no man can open nothing that can deceive or shut up anything that can be deceiving.

Those having the key of David, will know how everything is to come down from the beginning up to Christ Jesus returns.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Agreed, but as messiahs are a dime a dozen every generation, what makes it so that there wasn't someone after yours? Every guy is always the LAST HOPE

All I can say Kelly is that Baha'u'llah has asked you to Judge Him as to His Person and Message and make that choice for your own self.

Personally I have found that all hope is within that Message and we know it will not be the last.

The Bahá’í Faith - The website of the worldwide Bahá’í community

Regards Tony
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Who among you has a key? Who is keeping a secret?
Why else would the key of David be mentioned in the book of Revelation, if not to have the wisdom and knowledge of understanding the book of Revelation.
This is partially right, the Angel that comes down from Heaven in Revelation 10, who also has the new name (Revelation 3:12 'pillar'), has been given the mysteries of the Bible as a sealed book, written in Isaiah 8, Isaiah 29:9-14, Isaiah 30:8-11, Zechariah 5, Ezekiel 1-7, etc.

In my opinion
. :innocent:
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member

This is partially right, the Angel that comes down from Heaven in Revelation 10, who also has the new name (Revelation 3:12 'pillar'), has been given the mysteries of the Bible as a sealed book, written in Isaiah 8, Isaiah 29:9-14, Isaiah 30:8-11, Zechariah 5, Ezekiel 1-7, etc.

In my opinion
. :innocent:


First, do you have any idea who that Mighty Angel is in reference to ? In Revelation 10:1

The angel that comes down out of heaven, has nothing to do with Revelation 3:12.

Revelation 3:12 is pertaining to Jesus and not to an angel.
Jesus has a new name, but it doesn't say what the new name is.

There is no where in Isaiah 29:9-14, that this is in reference to the Bible.

The book being spoken of
in Isaiah 29:9-13, is just a figure of speech.

Like saying, the kid acts like an adult.
Is this to be taken that the kid is actually adult. No it's just a figure of speech.

Therefore the book being spoken of is not the Bible.
The book being spoken of, is just a figure of speech about a book thats sealed.

I don't know how you came by the bible as being a sealed book.

Now why would God give a book that's sealed, that no one would understand it, because it's sealed.

That's like someone gives you a car for your birthday, but doesn't give you the keys to the car.
So why would God give the bible, if its sealed. That no one would understand because it's sealed.

Therefore the book being spoken of is not the Bible.
The book being spoken of is just a figure of speech about a book that's sealed.

Let's for say, that you have a mystery book, do you just go into that book and just randomly pick out verses and apply them in anyway that you want to, or do you find out what the subject and Article of that mystery book is about first.

Upon reading the Bible, first you want to find out what the subject and Article is about. So you start at the beginning of a chapter and find out what the subject and Article is about first.
 
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wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
So why would God give the bible, if its sealed. That no one would understand because it's sealed.
Mark 4:11-12 He said to them, “To you is given the 'mystery of God’s Kingdom', but to those who are outside, all things are done in parables, (12) that ‘seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest perhaps they should turn again, and their sins should be forgiven them.’” (Matthew 13:11-13, Luke 8:10).

The Bible is a morality IQ test; thus the best way to see if people are observant of the Law, is to give them an exam.
First, do you have any idea who that Mighty Angel is in reference to ?
Yes it is me, did that two years before reading the Bible, and known since birth sent from Heaven with the knowledge of what is sealed.
There is no where in Isaiah 29:9-14, that this is in reference to the Bible.
Isaiah 29:13 is quoted by Yeshua in Mark 7:6-7, and Matthew 15:7-9...

The 'Marvelous Work' in Isaiah 29:14 is a keyword reference we find across the prophets, as the Chief Corner Stone that the Builders reject (Psalms 118:23, etc).
Jesus has a new name, but it doesn't say what the new name is.
Actually it does tell us the new name, a form of Zion and Zan which means flock, as the flock will have his name (Xian).
The book being spoken of
in Isaiah 29:9-13, is just a figure of speech.
Nothing in the Bible is just a figure of speech; this is a very advanced manuscript, where everything has additional connotations that can be looked up.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Mark 4:11-12 He said to them, “To you is given the 'mystery of God’s Kingdom', but to those who are outside, all things are done in parables, (12) that ‘seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest perhaps they should turn again, and their sins should be forgiven them.’” (Matthew 13:11-13, Luke 8:10).

The Bible is a morality IQ test; thus the best way to see if people are observant of the Law, is to give them an exam.

Yes it is me, did that two years before reading the Bible, and known since birth sent from Heaven with the knowledge of what is sealed.

Isaiah 29:13 is quoted by Yeshua in Mark 7:6-7, and Matthew 15:7-9...

The 'Marvelous Work' in Isaiah 29:14 is a keyword reference we find across the prophets, as the Chief Corner Stone that the Builders reject (Psalms 118:23, etc).

Actually it does tell us the new name, a form of Zion and Zan which means flock, as the flock will have his name (Xian).

Nothing in the Bible is just a figure of speech; this is a very advanced manuscript, where everything has additional connotations that can be looked up.

In my opinion. :innocent:

There is no where in Isaiah 29:14, that its
the Bible being spoken of. All it's said was
( Like a book that is sealed ) there's no reference that this being the bible.

Ok, now you said, known since birth, sent from heaven with knowledge of what is sealed.
So your saying that since birth you know what is sent from heaven with knowledge of what is sealed. Ok

Can you explain who the Locust army is in the book of Revelation.

Can you explain in Revelation 9:18--"By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths"

What does it mean, men were killed by fire and by smoke and brimstone ?

Can you explain why there is silence in heaven for half an hour.Revelation 8:1.

You say you have knowledge, so can you explain these things ?
 
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