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Loving all people

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
Ok....well, heres a question that is apart from scripture.

On a creation/design level, the bodies of male and female biologically are made to intercourse and procreate together.

To have it as man and man or woman and woman goes against that design.

Allegory: jeans are designed to be worn on the legs. But wouldnt it be odd if we saw someone trying to wear it as a shirt? I guess we could say there free to do as they wish, there not hurting anyone. But....it still goes against the design of the jeans. Its still odd.

Whats your thoughts on this?

Ok, that’s pretty cool stuff.
I don’t see how intercourse matters, but it’s a fine thing to do, if you want to. It can also be used as evil. The creation of endless humans has not been a problem, since there have been well overr 100 billion of us, from what I read. The design is for continuation of the species, it’s not an imperative. Some people can’t have children who want them, some have them who shouldn’t, some have too many, some heterosexuals get married and have none. It’s a numbers game, the species will not die out from homosexual marriage. The real threat to the species is evil, since we now have the ability to destroy all life.

I would advise not getting too excited over a couple of verses where we really have no knowledge of the circumstances that Paul was in at the time. Focus on the words of Jesus for a while, and get a feel for what he taught, I had to take a period and ONLY read the ‘red’ words for a few months. It was refreshing.
He has a pretty clear message. I needed that badly. Doctrines were messing with my mind.:(

I started a thread on freedom. It originated from a study my wife and I were doing today regarding free will.
I will summarize.
The Lord MUST give us free will. Without it we cannot be saved.
That free will gives us great freedom to choose our way of life.
In choosing, we must decide between good and evil, on a continuous basis.
We often choose evil, it’s our nature.
But that choice always leads to misfortune. Hence, our freedom leads us to sin which puts us in bondage.
So, to be truly free, we must open our minds to the Lord.
He is the only source of goodness. There cannot be any other source. Humans are incapable of goodness.

Mark 10:18
Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good-except God alone.

Once we open ourselves to the goodness and truth that flows from the Lord, we are able to choose that goodness over evil.
It’s a slow process, but it grows over time.

That is what truly sets us free. The Lord said words to that effect.

Have you noticed that religion kind of interferes with the process?
They establish so many do’s and don’ts. If the flock comes to church on Sunday, checks off all the things they’re doing and not doing per the church rules, where is their freedom to make choices? It’s not free, since it is influenced by the religion. The religion is telling them what is truth, via someone’s interpretation of something in the Bible. The channel that should be freely open between the Lord and the individual is being messed with by an intermediary.

There is a pastor I admire who writes quite a few good books, which I like to read.
He’s been around a long time. He laments occasionally in his books about the state of the churches. He runs a large one.
He says most people are like parrots, who sit close together on their perch and get fed pablum. They like to cuddle and not stray from the group. He says we need more eagles.
Totally made sense to me.
We need to think for ourselves. Study and learn from as many sources as possible. We live in wondrous times with the internet.
Lots of information and knowledge.
I scour for more insight all the time. But I accept nothing that cannot be confirmed by the Word of the Lord.

I got off on a tangent.
Forgive me.
Anyway, I ‘m going to sleep.
Good night.
 

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Many Christians in the U.S. have a problem accepting homosexuals, LGBT’s, and immigrants. And there are some that have less than appropriate ideas about women and minorities. (As has been seen this past year or so).

Some use bible verses to support their evil ideas. This is so very sad.


It was revealed to me recently that these actions are actually contrary to the FIRST commandment. And contrary to the Lord as well.


Exodus 20:1-6

1And God spoke all these words: 2"I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 3"You shall have no other gods before me. 4"You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments



When a person takes their own ideas (“on the earth”) and/or bible verses (“of anything in heaven above”) and uses these ideas against other people, this is what is meant by “you shall not make for yourself an image”.

This is taking something contrary to the Lord (“an image”) and raising it above the Word of the Lord.

Hence, an idol. Something made of man, and not of the Lord.

Those ideas that say others (homosexuals, immigrants, minorities, women) are somehow not equal with you, are breaking of this commandment.


If you are caught up in this religious deception, please ask the Lord to open your eyes.


Worship of the Lord is evidenced when a person loves others. Loves others, respects others, treats others as you would want to be treated, period. Worship is not singing songs in a church building.

Matthew 15:9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.'"

Well, I love everyone! I love the homosexual and I love the homophobe as well! And you shouldn't hate the homophobe either! I love the Soldier even while he/she is at war! Jesus said that every religion commands this! However nowhere does it say that "God" has to have unconditional love!
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Many Christians in the U.S. have a problem accepting homosexuals, LGBT’s, and immigrants. And there are some that have less than appropriate ideas about women and minorities. (As has been seen this past year or so).

Some use bible verses to support their evil ideas. This is so very sad.


It was revealed to me recently that these actions are actually contrary to the FIRST commandment. And contrary to the Lord as well.


Exodus 20:1-6

1And God spoke all these words: 2"I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 3"You shall have no other gods before me. 4"You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments



When a person takes their own ideas (“on the earth”) and/or bible verses (“of anything in heaven above”) and uses these ideas against other people, this is what is meant by “you shall not make for yourself an image”.

This is taking something contrary to the Lord (“an image”) and raising it above the Word of the Lord.

Hence, an idol. Something made of man, and not of the Lord.

Those ideas that say others (homosexuals, immigrants, minorities, women) are somehow not equal with you, are breaking of this commandment.


If you are caught up in this religious deception, please ask the Lord to open your eyes.


Worship of the Lord is evidenced when a person loves others. Loves others, respects others, treats others as you would want to be treated, period. Worship is not singing songs in a church building.

Matthew 15:9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.'"


You left out one thing, do you care to explain as to how homosexuals, LGBT, fits into what Christ Jesus said in
Matthew 19:4-5 --"Have you not read, that he (God ) which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, for this cause shall a man leave father and mother and shall cleave into his wife and they Twain shall be one flesh"

Care to explain how homosexuals and LGBT fit into what Christ said ?

Do you care to explain in the book of Revelation 22:14-15--"Blessed are they that do his Commandments, that they may have right to the tree of Life, and may enter in through the gates into the city"

Now notice Verse 15--"For without are dogs and sorcerers and whoremongers and murderers and idolaters and whosoever loveth and makes a lie"

Notice ( whoremongers )
Have you any idea or clue what a whoremonger is.
A whoremonger is a male prostitute which not only prostitutes themselves to lay down with women, but also with men that lay down men with men. As he would with a woman.

Revelation 21:8--"But the fearful and the unbelieving and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone"

Notice ( whoremongers ) shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone.

Care to explain in the book of
Ephesians 5:5--"For this you know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God"

Notice ( whoremonger ) has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Care to explain in the book of
1 Timothy 1:9-10--"Knowing this, that the law was not made for a righteous man, but for the Lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for Unholy and profane, for murders of fathers and murders of mother's, for man-slayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind"

Care to explain in the book of
Hebrews 13:4--"Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: But whoremongers and adulterers God will judge"

Care to explain, this is why Christians stands with Christ and God against such things, because Christ and God stands against them.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Accepting a person's lifestyle is not the same as loving the person. Love means to treat a person kindly and with respect. Show people the same honor that you want people to show to you. Most people will not jump to the conclusion that you are honoring them for the lifestyle they choose. Love a person because he or she or it is alive.
 

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
You left out one thing, do you care to explain as to how homosexuals, LGBT, fits into what Christ Jesus said in
Matthew 19:4-5 --"Have you not read, that he (God ) which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, for this cause shall a man leave father and mother and shall cleave into his wife and they Twain shall be one flesh"

Care to explain how homosexuals and LGBT fit into what Christ said ?

Do you care to explain in the book of Revelation 22:14-15--"Blessed are they that do his Commandments, that they may have right to the tree of Life, and may enter in through the gates into the city"

Now notice Verse 15--"For without are dogs and sorcerers and whoremongers and murderers and idolaters and whosoever loveth and makes a lie"

Notice ( whoremongers )
Have you any idea or clue what a whoremonger is.
A whoremonger is a male prostitute which not only prostitutes themselves to lay down with women, but also with men that lay down men with men. As he would with a woman.

Revelation 21:8--"But the fearful and the unbelieving and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone"

Notice ( whoremongers ) shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone.

Care to explain in the book of
Ephesians 5:5--"For this you know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God"

Notice ( whoremonger ) has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Care to explain in the book of
1 Timothy 1:9-10--"Knowing this, that the law was not made for a righteous man, but for the Lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for Unholy and profane, for murders of fathers and murders of mother's, for man-slayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind"

Care to explain in the book of
Hebrews 13:4--"Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: But whoremongers and adulterers God will judge"

Care to explain, this is why Christians stands with Christ and God against such things, because Christ and God stands against them.

Sorry, I cannot disagree with you.
Everything you say is perfectly true.
I’m happy that you have all the answers.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
You left out one thing, do you care to explain as to how homosexuals, LGBT, fits into what Christ Jesus said in
Matthew 19:4-5 --"Have you not read, that he (God ) which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, for this cause shall a man leave father and mother and shall cleave into his wife and they Twain shall be one flesh"

Care to explain how homosexuals and LGBT fit into what Christ said ?

Do you care to explain in the book of Revelation 22:14-15--"Blessed are they that do his Commandments, that they may have right to the tree of Life, and may enter in through the gates into the city"

Now notice Verse 15--"For without are dogs and sorcerers and whoremongers and murderers and idolaters and whosoever loveth and makes a lie"

Notice ( whoremongers )
Have you any idea or clue what a whoremonger is.
A whoremonger is a male prostitute which not only prostitutes themselves to lay down with women, but also with men that lay down men with men. As he would with a woman.

Revelation 21:8--"But the fearful and the unbelieving and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone"

Notice ( whoremongers ) shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone.

Care to explain in the book of
Ephesians 5:5--"For this you know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God"

Notice ( whoremonger ) has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Care to explain in the book of
1 Timothy 1:9-10--"Knowing this, that the law was not made for a righteous man, but for the Lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for Unholy and profane, for murders of fathers and murders of mother's, for man-slayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind"

Care to explain in the book of
Hebrews 13:4--"Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: But whoremongers and adulterers God will judge"

Care to explain, this is why Christians stands with Christ and God against such things, because Christ and God stands against them.
You are so sure about God standing against certain sex acts. What about lying, though? Do you care to talk about that?
 

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
"Everything .....is perfectly true". My brain is not able to wrap around that.

Well, he was quoting a lot of Bible verses.
I believe that every single word of God is perfectly true.
I believe every bit of punctuation has a purpose.
I believe the Lord is perfect and nothing emanating from Him would be less that that.
That’s all.
He had quotes, he believes them, I do too. Just because we see the world differently doesn’t mean we aren’t in sync with the Word.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Well, he was quoting a lot of Bible verses.
I believe that every single word of God is perfectly true.
I believe every bit of punctuation has a purpose.
I believe the Lord is perfect and nothing emanating from Him would be less that that.
That’s all.
He had quotes, he believes them, I do too. Just because we see the world differently doesn’t mean we aren’t in sync with the Word.
All the words in the Bibles that we have are not the perfectly true words of The Lord. How could they be? That is a real question.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
If the Bible is completely the true words of God, then please explain why all the bibles are not the same.
 

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
You are so sure about God standing against certain sex acts. What about lying, though? Do you care to talk about that?

Matthew is quoting Genesis.
Reading Genesis literally as faithofchristian does, will limit him to that level of understanding. There is no useful argument against someone in that state of mind.
As a result I can not share how I see Genesis.
I will note something from Paul (which I posted before) that I think he would have to agree with, though.
2 Corinthians 3:6
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant-not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
I would like to know how others understand that verse?
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Now notice Verse 15--"For without are dogs and sorcerers and whoremongers and murderers and idolaters and whosoever loveth and makes a lie"


Revelation 21:8--"But the fearful and the unbelieving and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone"
Isn't it much more likely that we should protect ourselves against lying and liars? Romans 3:4 .......Let God be true and every man a liar. As it is written: "So that You may be justified in Your words, and prevail in Your judgments."
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
What does this mean? Does "them" mean the people or the practices of people?

Depending on which way the terminology
of ( them ) being used, it can be people or things.
But in this case the terminology being used
for ( them ) are people. And not the practices of people, but people themselves.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Depending on which way the terminology
of ( them ) being used, it can be people or things.
But in this case the terminology being used
for ( them ) are people. And not the practices of people, but people themselves.
God stands "against" some people. No! That is not true. If, like you say, Jesus is against people, how can they ever come to him?

1 Timothy 2:4 .....God our Savior wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
You are so sure about God standing against certain sex acts. What about lying, though? Do you care to talk about that?

Why are you wanting to change the subject, maybe because you can't handle truth.
What can you give for lying, When it's plain that Christ and God stands against man laying with man as he would a woman.
 
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