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Body of Jesus

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
If Jesus died once and his body was entombed, why then did he need a terrestrial body to take to heaven when no one else gets that option?


Ecclesiastes 12:7
and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
If Jesus died once and his body was entombed, why then did he need a terrestrial body to take to heaven when no one else gets that option?


Ecclesiastes 12:7
and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.


Pssst! It is a made up story! Dont get so technical!
 

TransmutingSoul

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Premium Member
If Jesus died once and his body was entombed, why then did he need a terrestrial body to take to heaven when no one else gets that option?

Ecclesiastes 12:7
and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

We are a Spiritual Being. This body survives while it it is connected to Mind and Spirit which are external to the Body.

This is what Christ talks about when we must be born again. This birth requires us to recognize that we are Spiritual Beings and need to gain the limbs organs of Spiritual Virtues in the Matrix of the Spiritual World, which is this life.

There is now much written on Life after Death, Baha'u'llah has given this for us to consider;

"When the soul attaineth the Presence of God, it will assume the form that best befitteth its immortality and is worthy of its celestial habitation."

The passage just before this says;

"And now concerning thy question regarding the soul of man and its survival after death. Know thou of a truth that the soul, after its separation from the body, will continue to progress until it attaineth the presence of God, in a state and condition which neither the revolution of ages and centuries, nor the changes and chances of this world, can alter. It will endure as long as the Kingdom of God, His sovereignty, His dominion and power will endure. It will manifest the signs of God and His attributes, and will reveal His loving kindness and bounty. The movement of My Pen is stilled when it attempteth to befittingly describe the loftiness and glory of so exalted a station. The honor with which the Hand of Mercy will invest the soul is such as no tongue can adequately reveal, nor any other earthly agency describe. Blessed is the soul which, at the hour of its separation from the body, is sanctified from the vain imaginings of the peoples of the world. Such a soul liveth and moveth in accordance with the Will of its Creator, and entereth the all-highest Paradise. The Maids of Heaven, inmates of the loftiest mansions, will circle around it, and the Prophets of God and His chosen ones will seek its companionship. With them that soul will freely converse, and will recount unto them that which it hath been made to endure in the path of God, the Lord of all worlds. If any man be told that which hath been ordained for such a soul in the worlds of God, the Lord of the throne on high and of earth below, his whole being will instantly blaze out in his great longing to attain that most exalted, that sanctified and resplendent station…. The nature of the soul after death can never be described, nor is it meet and permissible to reveal its whole character to the eyes of men. The Prophets and Messengers of God have been sent down for the sole purpose of guiding mankind to the straight Path of Truth. The purpose underlying Their revelation hath been to educate all men, that they may, at the hour of death, ascend, in the utmost purity and sanctity and with absolute detachment, to the throne of the Most High. The light which these souls radiate is responsible for the progress of the world and the advancement of its peoples. They are like unto leaven which leaveneth the world of being, and constitute the animating force through which the arts and wonders of the world are made manifest. Through them the clouds rain their bounty upon men, and the earth bringeth forth its fruits. All things must needs have a cause, a motive power, an animating principle. These souls and symbols of detachment have provided, and will continue to provide, the supreme moving impulse in the world of being. The world beyond is as different from this world as this world is different from that of the child while still in the womb of its mother....."

The remainder of the passage is here - Bahá'í Reference Library - Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, Pages 155-158

Regards Tony
 

Rough Beast Sloucher

Well-Known Member
It's My Birthday!
If Jesus died once and his body was entombed, why then did he need a terrestrial body to take to heaven when no one else gets that option?


Ecclesiastes 12:7
and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 talks at length about the physical mortal corruptible body becoming an immortal incorruptible spiritual body at the resurrection. Jesus after the resurrection being able to walk, talk, eat etc. but also able to teleport around sounds like what Paul was talking about. In that case at the general resurrection everyone will get the same kind of body as Jesus did.

What Paul and the Gospel writers were talking about was offering proof that there is something beyond this life and that the resurrection and what it entails (judgment reward/punishment) will be for real.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
If Jesus died once and his body was entombed, why then did he need a terrestrial body to take to heaven when no one else gets that option?


Ecclesiastes 12:7
and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
I can just see the apologists hard at work thinking up something....
 

Rough Beast Sloucher

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It's My Birthday!
I can just see the apologists hard at work thinking up something....

Catholicism has an elaborate explanation involving the Particular Judgment right after death and the General Judgment after the resurrection. But this has a lot more to do with reconciling Paul with the story of Lazarus and the Rich Man in Luke 16:19-31 than with gloomy Ecclesiastes, although it works there too.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
If Jesus died once and his body was entombed, why then did he need a terrestrial body to take to heaven when no one else gets that option?


Ecclesiastes 12:7
and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Everyone does get the option to have an eternal, glorified body through Christ at the resurrection, although some have it already...

Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many. Matthew 27:51-53

But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 1 Corinthians 15:20-22

So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 1 Corinthians 15:42
 

pearl

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the physical mortal corruptible body becoming an immortal incorruptible spiritual body at the resurrection.

That agrees with Paul's description of risen bodies as spiritual, not natural or physical, and implies that these bodies are no longer flesh and blood. We ought not become governed by apologetics that we loose the sense of transformation and mystery.
 

Rough Beast Sloucher

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It's My Birthday!
That agrees with Paul's description of risen bodies as spiritual, not natural or physical, and implies that these bodies are no longer flesh and blood. We ought not become governed by apologetics that we loose the sense of transformation and mystery.

It was exactly 1 Corinthians 15 that I was referring to.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
If Jesus died once and his body was entombed, why then did he need a terrestrial body to take to heaven when no one else gets that option?


Ecclesiastes 12:7
and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
Elijah got the option.

To your point I don’t personally take the being reborn thing literally. It never made sense to me, it is space out their in “heaven” and you have to survive sub temperatures.
 

lostwanderingsoul

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When people are ":born again" they will have invisible bodies. The only human who has already been born again is Jesus. All other will be born again when Jesus returns and the dead will rise from their graves just like Jesus did. The unusual thing about spiritual beings is that they can manifest as visible people. This is what Jesus did when He appeared to people after He rose from the tomb. He was a spirit but appeared to others as flesh and blood.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Jesus died and was resurrected. According to 2 Kings 2:11-12 Elijah went to heaven without dying.


for some, the kingdom of heaven is a state of mind. for some it's a journey. for some it's a destination otherwise. for another it's within. for ONE it's here, now.

you can run and you can hide but you can't escape self. where ever you go, there you are. be still and know god.


“The distance all around will be 18,000 cubits. “And the name of the city from that time on will be: the Lord is there



"Can a man hide himself in hiding places So I do not see him?" declares the LORD "Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?" declares the LORD.






 
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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Elijah got the option.

To your point I don’t personally take the being reborn thing literally. It never made sense to me, it is space out their in “heaven” and you have to survive sub temperatures.
for an earthly experience, i've no doubt that an earthly body would be a part of the experience. but what type of body is necessary for a lunar experience? or a star experience? maybe a plasmoid body?


heaven isn't really anymore here than it's is there; when you're located somewhere inside the spherical coordinates of space, or the absolute
 
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