Which religion is true?

Scott C. said:

I believe that God does bless all people of all nations in all eras of time with a degree of truth and light concerning him and his plan. As we follow whatever degree of true light we enjoy in our lives, through whatever religious tradition, we are drawn closer to God and our lives are better for it. This does not negate the fact that salvation is in Jesus Christ alone. Eventually, whether in this life or the next, all people who are saved will do so only after accepting Christ and covenanting to keep his ordinances and to follow him.

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I can show you verses from my scripture are at least as compelling as yours. For each of us these are only beliefs. As much as I love my God and his teachings, there's no empirical evidence to suggest they're true. But I won't tell you that his way is the way for you, because even he says that if you worship in your own way, you'll still reach him. He's pretty chill about that. He's also a snappy dresser and one a hell of a flautist.

metis said:

That's a "belief", not necessarily a "fact".

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Stop being reasonable. You're messing things up.

metis said:

For example, what supposedly happens to those who died even before Jesus was born? Are they supposedly condemned as well? What about those who live in distant places who've never even heard of Jesus?

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Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels simply said, that it is those who are doing the work of the Father in Heaven shall be saved, and he even said to a Roman centurion that he'd be in the kingdom, and those following the religion will not be.

Thus once we remove John, Paul and Simon anyone who has a heart for God, and follows Yeshua's teachings, without even hearing them, as in they live a righteous life, is sufficient.

metis said:

What about those who may have heard but still have some questions?

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This depends on their character and lifestyle; if they're not serving God, then they'd not be keeping to following his teachings.

metis said:

What about those in other faiths who live moral lives based on what they think they understand?

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As saying the Roman centurion is saved, and doesn't follow the same religion; yet his faith is enough for him to get through.

Many of the teachings of Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels are the same by other religious leaders.

In my opinion.

wizanda said:

Religion is one... There is only one way to God, and religions are talking about it in different languages

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Sri Ramakrishna and the Lord Krishna himself would disagree.

"Jato mat tato path" — "As there are a number of beliefs, there are a number of ways". - Sri Ramakrishna

ye yathā māḿ prapadyante
tāḿs tathaiva bhajāmy aham
mama vartmānuvartante
manuṣyāḥ pārtha sarvaśaḥ

“In whatever way men approach Me and surrender to Me [i.e. various paths and ways of worship], “I reward them accordingly” ." Bhagavad Gita 4.11

Buddha Dharma said:

Naturally I think Buddhism has the most truth. Otherwise I wouldn't see much point in being Buddhist, rather than something else.

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That's the whole point... it's relative to the individual.

wizanda said:

Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels simply said that it those who are doing the work of the Father in Heaven shall be saved, and he even said to a Roman centurion that he'd be in the kingdom, and those following the religion will not be.

Thus once we remove John, Paul and Simon anyone who has a heart for God, and follows Yeshua's teachings, without even hearing them, as in they live a righteous life is sufficient.

This depends on their character and lifestyle; if they're not serving God, then they'd not be keeping to following his teachings.

As saying the Roman centurion is saved, and doesn't follow the same religion; yet his faith is enough for him to get through.

Many of the teachings of Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels are the same by other religious leaders.

In my opinion.

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I very much appreciate your positions and your logic, but I simply don't know if you're correct or not.

Jainarayan said:

How do you know what pieces fit together? It's not like a physical jigsaw puzzle where you see the pieces. Revelation is metaphors, allegories and images. How can the average person know how to understand what their God is saying? There are scholars who do that for a living. and then even they don't agree. For the average person to think they can understand a scripture is hubris of the highest order.

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Who do you think the scriptures were written to, if not the average person.

If you read through the book of Revelation, it's easy to see how things fit together.

The book of Revelation is most definitely like a big jigsaw puzzle that you fit the things in Revelation together.

In the book of Revelation, there are two Tribulations, There's the Tribulation of Christ Jesus and there's the Tribulation of the AntiChrist.

The only way to know which is which, a person will have to fit the pics together in Revelation to know which is which.

Aamer said:

All religions originate from a truth. But all organized religions in existence today follow Lucifer. They have all been deceived. Look at the symbolism. It's obvious if you know what the symbols mean. The cross in Christianity? Represents Saturn. Jesus didn't die on a cross. Stauros in Greek means stake. Not cross. The Romans didn't use crosses to crucify people. They used stakes. The Star of David in Judaism? Luciferian. It represents Saturn. The Kaaba in Islam? Black Cube of Saturn. Luciferian.

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Calm down. No symbol in the world has any meaning other than the meaning that the people who use that symbol give it. Symbols aren't magic. They aren't inherently good or evil. I'm surprised that there are still people who are superstitious enough to believe such nonsense.

Faithofchristian said:

Who do you think the scriptures were written to, if not the average person.

If you read through the book of Revelation, it's easy to see how things fit together.

The book of Revelation is most definitely like a big jigsaw puzzle that you fit the things in Revelation together.

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How do you know you got it right? It was addressed to the "Seven Churches of Asia". I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that it would get to the church leaders for review before it got to the congregations.

Jainarayan said:

How do you know you got it right? It was addressed to the "Seven Churches of Asia". I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that it would get to the church leaders for review before it got to the congregations.

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If you read Revelation 1:3--"Blessed is he that readeth and they that hear the words of this prophecy"

Note ( blessed is he) and ( they) this pertains to anyone and everyone, who reads the prophecy of Revelation.

So how do you get that Revelation was only written to the 7 churches ?

Revelation was not written to church leads to view.
Revelation was written for anyone and everyone.Who has wisdom to understand the things that are written in the book of Revelation.

Faithofchristian said:

All I'm asking where is your proof in Revelation, that Paul is that false prophet
in Revelation 16:13.

You say Paul is that false prophet, but where's your proof, that will show in the book of Revelation, That Paul as being that false prophet as you say he is.

Do you always accuse people of things, without providing evidence to back up your claims. So where in the book of Revelation does it say Paul as being the false prophet, Otherwise all your doing is making accusations without any evidence to support your claim.

So give the Chapter and Verses in the book of Revelation, that shows Paul as being that false prophet, As you say Paul is.

Where's your evidence to support your claim in the book of Revelation that's says Paul as being the false prophet,
Where's the Chapter and Verses to support your claim in the book of Revelation.

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You are simply obfuscating. I already gave proof of Paul's false prophecy. He and "we" of 1 Cor 15:52 are all dead, and you will die as well (Jeremiah 31:30). Now tell me who the "beast" of Rev 13:1 and "Babylon" of Rev 17 are.

1 Cor 15:52 “In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”

Truthseeker9 said:

Yes, why wouldn't God reach out all over the world, not just in Israel? All religions have truth in them.

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After the great tribulation, the survivors of the nations, will eventually turn to the Jews, and say, God is with you. All the nations will keep the feast of Booths, a feast day God gave to Israel (Zech 14:16). The nations will know that "My sanctuary is in their (Israel) midst forever" (Ez 37:28). It will apparently take the "awesome day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32) for that to happen.


New American Standard Bible Zech 8:23
"Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'In those days ten men from all the nations will grasp the garment of a Jew, saying, "Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you."'"

2ndpillar said:

You are simply obfuscating. I already gave proof of Paul's false prophecy. He and "we" of 1 Cor 15:52 are all dead, and you will die as well (Jeremiah 31:30). Now tell me who the "beast" of Rev 13:1 and "Babylon" of Rev 17 are.

1 Cor 15:52 “In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raise incorruptible, and we shall be
changed.”

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Are you kidding me, Paul's the one who wrote
1 Corinthians, Now why would Paul write something that would turn around and condemn him. You got to be kidding

Your to funny, You don't even have a clue who the dead are, That Paul written
about in 1 Corinthians 15:52..

In John 5:25, Christ Jesus said, the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God and they that hear shall live.
Ok, please do tell who's the dead here.
Throughout the bible tells who the dead are, but what do you say, the dead are.

There's nothing in Jeremiah 31:30 that indicates that's about Paul.
Further more you haven't a clue what Jeremiah 31:30 is about. Therefore all your doing is picking out a Verse here there and not knowing what those Verses are about.

Heck anyone can go and pick any Verse in the Bible and apply to other things in the Bible, and that's all your showing, picking out a verse here and there and then trying to imply it to Paul.

If that isn't bad enough, your taking Paul's writings and then trying use them against Paul.

But still you haven't given one Chapter and one Verse in Revelation that will say Paul as being the false prophet as you say.

You just say things with no proof to back them up.

First you haven't given any proof where it's written in Revelation that Paul as being the false prophet, give the Chapter and Verses in Revelation where it states Paul as being the false prophet

2ndpillar said:

After the great tribulation, the survivors of the nations, will eventually turn to the Jews, and say, God is with you. All the nations will keep the feast of Booths, a feast day God gave to Israel (Zech 14:16). The nations will know that "My sanctuary is in their (Israel) midst forever" (Ez 37:28). It will apparently take the "awesome day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32) for that to happen.


New American Standard Bible Zech 8:23
"Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'In those days ten men from all the nations will grasp the garment of a Jew, saying, "Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you."'"

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Could you explain exactly which tribulation your referring to, You do know that there's two Tribulations being spoke about in the book of Revelation. So which is which.
Can you explain exactly which is which.

By the way I'm still waiting for you to give the Chapter and Verses to where it's written in Revelation that states Paul as being the false prophet.

You go about accusing, but give nothing to back up what you say.So where is it written in Revelation that says Paul as being the false prophet, as you say.

Faithofchristian said:

If you read Revelation 1:3--"Blessed is he that readeth and they that hear the words of this prophecy"

Note ( blessed is he) and ( they) this pertains to anyone and everyone, who reads the prophecy of Revelation.

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Most people couldn't read or write. Elders and leaders could.

So how do you get that Revelation was only written to the 7 churches ?

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Revelation 1.4
John,
To the seven churches in the province of Asia:

Revelation was not written to church leads to view.
Revelation was written for anyone and everyone.Who has wisdom to understand the things that are written in the book of Revelation.

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Where is this said or written?

Jainarayan said:

Most people couldn't read or write. Elders and leaders could.



Revelation 1.4
John,
To the seven churches in the province of Asia:



Where is this said or written?

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There is no where in Revelation 1:4, that states the book of Revelation is only given to the 7 churches.

Go back and read Revelation 1:3
(Blessed is he that reads). So how is it that you say the book of Revelation is only given to the 7 churches, When it's plainly States in Rev 1:3 ( Blessed is he that reads) that doesn't sound like the book of Revelation was only given to the 7 churches as you say it is.

metis said:

Yes, I am familiar with their teachings on that as I used to bring various speakers into my comparative religions course.

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I'm impressed that you taught such a course.

Faithofchristian said:

There is no where in Revelation 1:4, that states the book of Revelation is only given to the 7 churches.

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I would think then, that John would have addressed it
"John,
To the seven churches in the province of Asia; my lords, my ladies, and everybody else here not sitting on a cushion!" (A Knight's Tale reference).

Go back and read Revelation 1:3
(Blessed is he that reads). So how is it that you say the book of Revelation is only given to the 7 churches, When it's plainly States in Rev 1:3 ( Blessed is he that reads) that doesn't sound like the book of Revelation was only given to the 7 churches as you say it is.

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The leaders of the Seven Churches were probably the only ones who could read. They could have told their congregations anything and the congregations would have swallowed it hook, line and sinker for not knowing any better. I daresay that explains some of the odd interpretations and understandings Christians today have of the Bible.

Jainarayan said:

Stop being reasonable. You're messing things up.

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Why do you guys keep reminding me that that which I consider to be fact, is only my belief? I know that. We don't have to preface all posts with "I believe". Isn't it a given that we are all expressing our beliefs?

Jainarayan said:

I would think then, that John would have addressed it
"John,
To the seven churches in the province of Asia; my lords, my ladies, and everybody else here not sitting on a cushion!" (A Knight's Tale reference).



The leaders of the Seven Churches were probably the only ones who could read. They could have told their congregations anything and the congregations would have swallowed it hook, line and sinker for not knowing any better. I daresay that explains some of the odd interpretations and understandings Christians today have of the Bible.

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John did not say the book of Revelation as being given to the 7 churches.

John writing to the 7 churches which are in Asia. Saying Grace be unto you, and peace, from him.

John is only writing to the 7 churches in Asia. John said nothing about the book of Revelation as being only given to the seven churches in Asia.

How or where do you get the book of Revelation as only being given only to the 7 churches.

In Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches, John writing to the seven churches.letting them know in the proceeding verses what they are to do and not to do.

I don't know how you take this as being the book of Revelation as being given only to the seven churches in Asia.

When it's only referring to John as writing to the seven churches in Asia.