Christ Has returned, what should have we looked for?

Fool · Mar 7, 2018

Muffled said:
I believe this is a misunderstanding on your part. "Like lightning" does not mean that it is lightning. The most common occurrence of a light going across the skies is a comet and considering the cosmological signs in Mat. 24:29 a comet fits right in.

I believe people did miss it because they did not know what to look for or were not paying attention.

sorry but it's lightning, or like the flash/gleam of a lamp. it isn't something outside/apart from self.

lightning that flashes across the sky is called sheet lightning. it doesn't have contact with the earth. i've only ever seen it once in my own life.

lightning

Matthew 6:22
“The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are healthy, your whole body will be full of light.

Neb · Mar 7, 2018

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
I have One God as we all do, it is not I making another God or chaining up Gods Hands.

You mean all gods, "Allah, Buddha, Moses, Abraham, Krishna, Muhammad ....etc" in one god. That's pluralism, period.

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
It is what Christ is, the I Am,

"Before Abraham was born, I am/ego eimi." The "I am/ego eimi" implies continuous existence like "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" IOW, before the beginning of any creation "I am" was with the God already.

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and Omega. All of God's Names in One.

You are good at quoting these words from the bible but your comprehension on the meaning failed you miserably.

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
I do not have to Hard sell the Glory of God, the returned Christ.

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first;" -1Thessalonians 4:16

"then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." -1Thessalonians 4:17

It's very clear that on Christ 2nd coming, Christians will be “be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air” -1Thessalonians 4:17

It did not specifically say that it was Baha’u’llah who would come for the 2nd time.

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
You can take the advice or leave it, it is free and you have free will.

Regards Tony

Is this your best and final offer "take the advice or leave it"? Sounds like you're really selling something here.

Neb · Mar 7, 2018

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Luckily I did not have to consider all the spin man has put on scriptures. I had no Faith until the Glory of God did light my life.

If you are using this argument to disprove Baha'u'llah, then it is a twisted argument.

Regards Tony

”disprove Baha'u'llah”? Did that so many times already from the Bible. This in response to your argument that “There is no trinity” minus the word “doctrine” because it has a negative meaning or connotation.

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
There is no trinity doctrine, though there are 3 aspects. God. Holy Spirit. Messenger.

Before you make an assertion on something, like “There is no trinity”, you should have an argument on hand to support this claim otherwise it becomes a dogma or dogmatic or doctrine. IOW, the word “Trinity” is not a dogma or doctrine because it has the presence of arguments on hand, on the other hand, Bahaullah’s writings are nothing but full of doctrines created by human mind. A good example is:

Trailblazer said:
"Regarding your question concerning the Jesse from whom Bahá’u’lláh is descended:

AND

Trailblazer said:
Baha'u'llah was a descendant of David.

This is dogmatism, the absence of argument. There is nothing to support this argument but by your dogmatic assertion that “Baha'u'llah was a descendant of David.”.

Neb · Mar 7, 2018

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
It is good I did not have to as I in no way would have been able to do so. The Glory of God gave the Keys of Translation, provided many explanations of how to read Revelation and then many worthy souls have used them

The Seals were opened as promised.

Regards Tony

But you did, didn't you?

Neb · Mar 7, 2018

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
'Glory of God' or 'Glory of the Lord' is Arabic Baha'u'llah.

No twist needed.

Jehovah, Yahwah is also the 'Glory of God', both known as the 'Greatest Name' of God.

Baha'u'llah has given an answer to you;

"..One and all, they shall arise with all their power to resist His Cause. Then shall the knights of the Lord, assisted by His grace from on high, strengthened by faith, aided by the power of understanding, and reinforced by the legions of the Covenant, arise and make manifest the truth of the verse: ‘Behold the confusion that hath befallen the tribes of the defeated!’”

Every time you now read your Bible, you will now know that the 'Glory of God', Baha'u'llah has come.

Regards Tony

You could name Mírzá Ḥusayn-`Alí Núrí, a Persian Shi'ite, aka, bahaullah, as "MERCY" or “rahmah” in Arabic, and then argue that whenever one sees the word "Mercy/rahmah" in the bible then that's Mírzá Ḥusayn-`Alí Núrí in the bible or God was talking about Mírzá Ḥusayn-`Alí Núrí, a Persian Shi'ite, as "MERCY"/rahmah/allah’s messenger or one of God’s attributes.

Neb · Mar 7, 2018

Fool said:
you wouldn't see it coming, nor going. it would happen in a flash.

so how are you going to experience someone as an electrical charge that lasts............ roughly 30 microseconds?

When the two connect, an electrical current flows as negative charges fly down the channel towards earth and a visible flash of lightning streaks upward at some 200,000,000 mph (300,000,000 kph), transferring electricity as lightning in the process.

don't blink, you might miss it?

"in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." -1 Corinthians 15:52
Can one say Lord Jesus save me "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye"? Too late, right?

Fool · Mar 7, 2018

Neb said:
"in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." -1 Corinthians 15:52
Can one say Lord Jesus save me "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye"? Too late, right?

no one can be saved from themselves; except they love with their whole being. to look at self is to be known by god. love saved us all. it is the entanglement that endures. take up your yoke and follow me. yoke = two becoming one.

1 John 4:17
This is how God(love) is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus.

1 Corinthians 13:12
For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

TransmutingSoul · Mar 7, 2018

Fool said:
sorry but it's lightning, or like the flash/gleam of a lamp. it isn't something outside/apart from self.

lightning that flashes across the sky is called sheet lightning. it doesn't have contact with the earth. i've only ever seen it once in my own life.

lightning

Matthew 6:22
“The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are healthy, your whole body will be full of light.

This passage is not our Material Eyes.

The eye to the soul is the heart, it is our heart that accepts the Christ Spirit and fills our soul with the Light of the Holy Spirit.

It is also the eye that will see what the Spirit has said to the Churches. The Heart must look with Justice.

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Mar 7, 2018

Neb said:
You mean all gods, "Allah, Buddha, Moses, Abraham, Krishna, Muhammad

Again One God only, above all Names, but the giver of All Names. You have quoted the Many Names given by God to His Messengers throughout time.

One God, the Same Holy Spirit given to Men that have walked this earth chosen to Give Gods Message.

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Mar 7, 2018

Neb said:
This is dogmatism, the absence of argument. There is nothing to support this argument but by your dogmatic

What I have observed is that you do not agree with the information provided, but the proof has been provided to the questions asked.

That you choose not to accept or verify the proof is fine, no issue with me.

Stay well and happy and may your faith be always beneficial to all.

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Mar 7, 2018

Neb said:
But you did, didn't you?

No

All Interpretations of the Bible I use are from Baha'u'llah or His Son Abdul'baha, who Baha'u'llah has appointed as an authorised Interpreter, then Shoghi Effendi also under this Covernant.

Thus these explanation come from God. They are Scripture and part of the Word given in this Day of God.

Your replies do not argue with my interpretations, you argue with God. My part is only to supply more answers from those writings if you ask.

Otherwise we do as Christ advised and Baha'u'llah has confirmed we are to do;

Matthew 10:14 "If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet."

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Mar 7, 2018

Neb said:
You could name Mírzá Ḥusayn-`Alí Núrí, a Persian Shi'ite, aka, bahaullah, as "MERCY" or “rahmah” in Arabic, and then argue that whenever one sees the word "Mercy/rahmah" in the bible then that's Mírzá Ḥusayn-`Alí Núrí in the bible or God was talking about Mírzá Ḥusayn-`Alí Núrí, a Persian Shi'ite, as "MERCY"/rahmah/allah’s messenger or one of God’s attributes.

Mírzá Ḥusayn-`Alí Núrí, a Persian Shi'ite who was thrown in prision as a follower of the Bab (Elijah, John) was 'Annointed' (Christ) Bahaullah in that prison when the Maid from Heaven descended upon Him (Sound Familiar!) This is recorded and can be read.

All Prophecy has been fulfilled by Baha'u'llah who God Named Mírzá Ḥusayn-`Alí Núrí.

As already said no man can do this and by chance fulfill all Prophecy. It can only be the Truth.

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Mar 7, 2018

Neb said:
"in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." -1 Corinthians 15:52
Can one say Lord Jesus save me "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye"? Too late, right?

We have been given less than a hundred years for each of us to use the eye of our heart to see.

One hundred years in and eternity is a flash, a twinkiling.

One has to rise above understanding scripture using limited Material senses and see the Spirit in the Words.

Regards Tony

Trailblazer · Mar 7, 2018

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
I had to look at God Pases by again and Shoghi Effendi's list of references to the Titles of Baha'u'llah, at this link

Bahá'í Reference Library - God Passes By, Pages 89-103

The Messiah is not a Title used.

Food for thought.

Yes that is food for thought... I might pass that along to a Christian I have been posting to on another forum as we were just discussing this again yesterday...

But if Baha'u'llah is not the Messiah, then how can we call this the Messianic Age? I would say that Christ was the Messiah and Baha'u'llah is the return of the Messiah.

Then there is this, that I just posted to my Christian friend....

26: THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST AND THE DAY OF JUDGMENT

“It is said in the Holy Books that Christ will come again, and that His coming depends upon the fulfillment of certain signs: when He comes, it will be with these signs. For example, “The sun will be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven…. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” 1 Bahá’u’lláh has explained these verses in the Kitáb-i-Íqán. 2 There is no need of repetition; refer to it, and you will understand these sayings.

But I have something further to say upon this subject. At His first coming Christ also came from heaven, as it is explicitly stated in the Gospel. Christ Himself says: “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.” 3

It is clear to all that Christ came from heaven, although apparently He came from the womb of Mary. At the first coming He came from heaven, though apparently from the womb; in the same way, also, at His second coming He will come from heaven, though apparently from the womb. The conditions that are indicated in the Gospel for the second coming of Christ are the same as those that were mentioned for the first coming, as we said before.

The Book of Isaiah announces that the Messiah will conquer the East and the West, and all nations of the world will come under His shadow, that His Kingdom will be established, that He will come from an unknown place, that the sinners will be judged, and that justice will prevail to such a degree that the wolf and the lamb, the leopard and the kid, the sucking child and the asp, shall all gather at one spring, and in one meadow, and one dwelling. 4 The first coming was also under these conditions, though outwardly none of them came to pass. Therefore, the Jews rejected Christ, and, God forbid! called the Messiah masíkh, 5 considered Him to be the destroyer of the edifice of God, regarded Him as the breaker of the Sabbath and the Law, and sentenced Him to death. Nevertheless, each one of these conditions had a signification that the Jews did not understand; therefore, they were debarred from perceiving the truth of Christ.

The second coming of Christ also will be in like manner: the signs and conditions which have been spoken of all have meanings, and are not to be taken literally. Among other things it is said that the stars will fall upon the earth. The stars are endless and innumerable, and modern mathematicians have established and proved scientifically that the globe of the sun is estimated to be about one million and a half times greater than the earth, and each of the fixed stars to be a thousand times larger than the sun. If these stars were to fall upon the surface of the earth, how could they find place there? It would be as though a thousand million of Himalaya mountains were to fall upon a grain of mustard seed. According to reason and science this thing is quite impossible. What is even more strange is that Christ said: “Perhaps I shall come when you are yet asleep, for the coming of the Son of man is like the coming of a thief.” 6 Perhaps the thief will be in the house, and the owner will not know it.

It is clear and evident that these signs have symbolic signification, and that they are not literal. They are fully explained in the Kitáb-i-Íqán. Refer to it.”
Some Answered Questions, pp. 110-112

Trailblazer · Mar 7, 2018

Neb said:
This is dogmatism, the absence of argument. There is nothing to support this argument but by your dogmatic assertion that “Baha'u'llah was a descendant of David.”.

Yes, there is genealogy that supports this... Do you have the genealogy for Jesus, or do you just have a Bible that says who He was descended from... A Bible written by men who lived thousands of years ago, hardly evidence of anything.

Neb · Mar 8, 2018

Trailblazer said:
Yes, there is genealogy that supports this... Do you have the genealogy for Jesus, or do you just have a Bible that says who He was descended from... A Bible written by men who lived thousands of years ago, hardly evidence of anything.

Christ genealogy, in the Bible, is good enough for me. I don't have to alter, twist, adulterate anything like insisting Christ descended from King David.

syo · Mar 8, 2018

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Good to see you Syo, thanks for dropping by.

That is what this thread is about. The End of the Age was May 22nd AD1844 which was also the year AH1260.

Both these years have been shown to be in Daniel and Revelation, the Two books dedicated to the End Times.

Stay well and happy.

Regards Tony

christ will come when the sun and earth will be destroyed so that a new world will arise.

Neb · Mar 8, 2018

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Again One God only, above all Names, but the giver of All Names. You have quoted the Many Names given by God to His Messengers throughout time.

One God, the Same Holy Spirit given to Men that have walked this earth chosen to Give Gods Message.

Regards Tony

I quoted this?

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Yes the Word is Baha'u'llah, it is all the Names of God. It is Jehovah, Allah, Buddha, Moses, Abraham, Krishna, Muhammad ....etc.

Was Abraham a prophet of the God of the Bible? Yes! Genesis 20:7 "For he is a prophet…" How about Moses, was he a prophet of the God of the Bible? Yes! Moses was not just a prophet of the God of the Bible but was an exceptional prophet of God compared to other prophets.

”And he said, Hear now my words: if there be a prophet among you, I Jehovah will make myself known unto him in a vision, I will speak with him in a dream.” “My servant Moses is not so; he is faithful in all my house:” “with him will I speak mouth to mouth, even manifestly, and not in dark speeches; and the form of Jehovah shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant, against Moses?” Numbers 12:6-8

How about Bahaullah, Muhammad, Krisna, and Buddha? NOT in the Bible. IOW, if they are not in the Bible then they cannot be prophets of the God of Bible, right? So, if they are/were not prophets of the God of the Bible then they must be the prophets of "the god of this world” that “hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn upon them." 2Corinthians 4:4 or the prophets of the “other gods” in Exodus 20:3, right?

There is NO other conclusion here, but if you insist they are prophets of the God of the Bible then you must read this if they really qualify as the true prophets of the God of the Bible: “But the prophet, that shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.” Deuteronomy 18:20

Neb · Mar 8, 2018

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
What I have observed is that you do not agree with the information provided, but the proof has been provided to the questions asked.

That you choose not to accept or verify the proof is fine, no issue with me.

Stay well and happy and may your faith be always beneficial to all.

Regards Tony

Trailblazer said:
Baha'u'llah was a descendant of David.

What proof are you talking about? Baha'u'llah was a descendant of David? Insisting bahaullah was a descendant of David, without any proof at all, but a made-up genealogy links, is what you call dogmatism then it becomes a doctrine.

Neb · Mar 8, 2018

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
No

All Interpretations of the Bible I use are from Baha'u'llah or His Son Abdul'baha, who Baha'u'llah has appointed as an authorised Interpreter, then Shoghi Effendi also under this Covernant.

Thus these explanation come from God. They are Scripture and part of the Word given in this Day of God.

Your replies do not argue with my interpretations, you argue with God. My part is only to supply more answers from those writings if you ask.

Otherwise we do as Christ advised and Baha'u'llah has confirmed we are to do;

Matthew 10:14 "If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet."

Regards Tony

You think bahaullah can interpret the Bible, right? “But the prophet, that shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.” Deuteronomy 18:20

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