Geoff-Allen
Resident megalomaniac
All religions in theory would be able to do that - pity it doesn't always seem to work out so well ...
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Which religion is true?
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All religions in theory would be able to do that - pity it doesn't always seem to work out so well ...
Thanks for the rating. My ego is very grateful!
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
The problem is I can say that. Everything in the book of Revelation, God has already given the interpretation within the book of Revelation.
Let's see how you answer this, in the book of Revelation 8:1 what happen that there is silence in heaven for half an hour.
Can you explain what is happening here
Can you explain Revelation 8:9, And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life died, and the third part of the ships were destroyed,
Can you explain what is happening here.
I am still waiting. Just say it. Tell me about the beast or Babylon, or both. Who is Babylon of Revelation, and who is the beast of Revelation 13:1?
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
What ever do you mean your waiting, you haven't even given answer why there's silence in heaven for half an hour in Revelation 8:1.
You haven't given answer to
Revelation 8:9.
Who cares? It only matters to the 4 angels of Revelation 7:2-3 and the sons of Israel. Who is the "beast" of Revelation 13, and who is "Babylon" of Rev 17? I am thinking you don't know.
ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
It think it's obvious which religion/philosophy is true, that God = Truth and Truth = God--whatever that Truth might be, even if that Truth is that there is no conscious, divine entity. Worship It by the pursuit of the Truth via its aspects, Knowledge, Justice, Love and Beauty.
Actually based upon the facts in the text, Christians are told to believe by the made up Gospel of John that we have to believe jesus is the only way, and unless we believe in him we will not be saved.
Paul taught we have to believe in his death, and resurrection else we will not be saved.
With Simon the stone (petros) teaching that we have to believe he was sent as our Lord, and Savoir else we will not be saved.
The truth presented in the Tanakh, and by Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels is that we have to do the work of God Most High; where after giving up everything for the sake of God we will be saved.
In my opinion.
Aamer
Truth Seeker
All religions originate from a truth. But all organized religions in existence today follow Lucifer. They have all been deceived. Look at the symbolism. It's obvious if you know what the symbols mean. The cross in Christianity? Represents Saturn. Jesus didn't die on a cross. Stauros in Greek means stake. Not cross. The Romans didn't use crosses to crucify people. They used stakes. The Star of David in Judaism? Luciferian. It represents Saturn. The Kaaba in Islam? Black Cube of Saturn. Luciferian.
I could go much deeper into Satanic infiltration of organized religions but I'll leave it at that for now.
You've all been duped. If you follow any organized religion and it's teachings outside of scripture... Chances are... You're unknowingly worshipping Lucifer.
Peace.
Aamer.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Well you just told on yourself when you said
( Who cares) that says alot about you.
The question was put to you first, to explain why there's silence in heaven.
Hey your suppose to be the smart one
So explain why there's silence in heaven in
Revelation 8:1, And
Explain what is happening in Revelation 8:9.
Heck you haven't even explained yet, where in Revelation explains what those 3 unclean spirits like frogs are in Revelation 16:13,
Can you give the Chapter and Verses where it explains what those 3 unclean spirits are?
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Your come across as a poser. Someone who tries to make himself look like they know up from down, when that is not the case.
You ask the question, Which religion is true?
That's what's called a leading question, one whose wording implies particular assumptions.
Your question should be, Is any religion true?
And only if the answer is yes can you fairly ask, Which one?
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Well you sure do not know what your talking about.
You haven't given one Chapter and Verses where in the book of Revelation, where it explains what those 3 unclean spirits like frogs are explained to be. In Revelation 16:13.
Can you do that.
You haven't explained where in the book of Revelation explains why there's silence in heaven in Revelation 8:1. Can you give the Chapter and Verses that explains why there's silence in heaven.
Can you do that.
You haven't explained where in the book of Revelation, explains what's
Revelation 8:9 is about.
So where in the book of Revelation will explain all these things,
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
All I'm asking where is your proof in Revelation, that Paul is that false prophet
in Revelation 16:13.
You say Paul is that false prophet, but where's your proof, that will show in the book of Revelation, That Paul as being that false prophet as you say he is.
Do you always accuse people of things, without providing evidence to back up your claims. So where in the book of Revelation does it say Paul as being the false prophet, Otherwise all your doing is making accusations without any evidence to support your claim.
So give the Chapter and Verses in the book of Revelation, that shows Paul as being that false prophet, As you say Paul is.
Where's your evidence to support your claim in the book of Revelation that's says Paul as being the false prophet,
Where's the Chapter and Verses to support your claim in the book of Revelation.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
That is your belief, but beliefs are not necessarily facts.
The early church struggled with this question, but the hint you may be wrong is when Paul goes to Corinth and praises the people he was trying to convert for their faith even though they were not yet "Christian". Also, the Tanakh over and over again did not make any assertion that one had to be of the Jewish flock to do God's will, thus stating that one's belief in God and any subsequent actions are paramount.
Also, just a recommendation that Jesus' teaching of "judge ye not..." might be advisable. If God supposedly condemns people who are not even exposed to His teachings or who may question them at times, then He would have to be considered a homicidal maniac. I don't believe He is likely to be as such-- do you?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
But that may only be relevant for those whom actually hear his message, as some theologians have hypothesized.Actually based upon the facts in the text, Christians are told to believe by the made up Gospel of John that we have to believe jesus is the only way, and unless we believe in him we will not be saved.
Paul taught we have to believe in his death, and resurrection else we will not be saved.
With Simon the stone (petros) teaching that we have to believe he was sent as our Lord, and Savoir else we will not be saved.
The truth presented in the Tanakh, and by Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels is that we have to do the work of God Most High; where after giving up everything for the sake of God we will be saved.
In my opinion.
For example, what supposedly happens to those who died even before Jesus was born? Are they supposedly condemned as well? What about those who live in distant places who've never even heard of Jesus? What about those who may have heard but still have some questions? What about those in other faiths who live moral lives based on what they think they understand?
IMO, best not to judge others-- let God do that as it's part of His job description, not ours.
Scott C.
Just one guy
I don't believe that Jesus condemns people who are not exposed to his teachings. I don't know if you are familiar with Latter-day Saint teachings on how the same gospel message is eventually brought to everyone in this life or in the next. One can accept his teachings in the next life and receive salvation.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Yes, I am familiar with their teachings on that as I used to bring various speakers into my comparative religions course.
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
The consistent message in both testaments is "trust God for salvation". This is a universal truth.
Christians don't claim their religion is the sole pathway to God, they claim that what Jesus did on the cross, dying then resurrecting, is the sole payment for sin. Anyone who has never heard of Christ but trusted God for salvation will meet Christ in Heaven.
How do you know what pieces fit together? It's not like a physical jigsaw puzzle where you see the pieces. Revelation is metaphors, allegories and images. How can the average person know how to understand what their God is saying? There are scholars who do that for a living. and then even they don't agree. For the average person to think they can understand a scripture is hubris of the highest order.
Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
Yes, why wouldn't God reach out all over the world, not just in Israel? All religions have truth in them.