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What is the "Big Lie"? What is the consequence of believing in it?

2ndpillar

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Paul was in harmony with Jesus--Mens twistings have screwed it all up.
JW,s listened to Jesus and are no part of the world--especially the false religious parts.

Yeshua is the "Word" made flesh. Your Paul has nailed the "Word" to the cross, and the "world" follows the pied piper Paul.
 
Maybe you just don't want to see the Son is the Father manifest. You know the Son is a Father; so it should be obvious He's the Father.

But to us there is one God, the Father ... (1 Cor. 8:6)
One God and Father of all ... (Eph. 4:6)

Questions and answers:

Does Jesus say no one came down from heaven except the Son of man who is in heaven? Yes.
Does Prov. 30:4 claim that it is the Father who ascends and descends? Yes.
Does Prov. 30:4 say the Son ascends or descends? No it does not. It claims the Father ascends and descends.
Does this mean that Jesus contradicts Prov. 30:4? No, because all scripture is given by inspiration of God and logically must agree together.
So draw your own logical conclusion if you have eyes to see. God help me see it. My conclusion is that the Father and the Son are one and the same.

Everyone who says Jesus is Lord does so unto the glory of the Father. (Philippians 2:11) It does not say that they do it to the glory of "God the Son" but only to God the Father. That is because Jesus the Son is the Father manifest.

... logically must agree together with ME.
 

2ndpillar

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The bible says Jesus appointed Paul. I believe that is correct.

The unknown author of Acts, supposedly an associate of Paul, said that according to Paul, an apparent blinding and deafening angel of light appointed Paul. Oh yeah, and to put the bottle in the cork, the "daughter of Babylon", the Roman church, made it canonical. You believe a lot of things, but what is coming from behind the door (Mt 24:33), you refuse to believe. Which is only just, as we are already at the "end of the age", and the time for seeking the LORD has pretty well been put on hold until after the "great tribulation". The survivors will have had enough of a shock to shake off their former misconceptions.(Jeremiah 16:19)
 

kjw47

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The unknown author of Acts, supposedly an associate of Paul, said that according to Paul, an apparent blinding and deafening angel of light appointed Paul. Oh yeah, and to put the bottle in the cork, the "daughter of Babylon", the Roman church, made it canonical. You believe a lot of things, but what is coming from behind the door (Mt 24:33), you refuse to believe. Which is only just, as we are already at the "end of the age", and the time for seeking the LORD has pretty well been put on hold until after the "great tribulation". The survivors will have had enough of a shock to shake off their former misconceptions.(Jeremiah 16:19)



God made sure the teachings of Jesus remained in tact.
 

2ndpillar

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God made sure the teachings of Jesus remained in tact.

So says the "daughter of Babyon", who produced your NT canon in 367 A.D.. On the other hand, Yeshua said the "evil one" would plant the "tare" seeds in the same field as the "good seed" was planted, and no one was to disturb the tares until the "end of the age" (Mt 13). Well, here we are, at the "end of the age", and it is time for the tares to be gathered "first", "bundled", and "burned" (Mt 13:30 & 41).
 

kjw47

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So says the "daughter of Babyon", who produced your NT canon in 367 A.D.. On the other hand, Yeshua said the "evil one" would plant the "tare" seeds in the same field as the "good seed" was planted, and no one was to disturb the tares until the "end of the age" (Mt 13). Well, here we are, at the "end of the age", and it is time for the tares to be gathered "first", "bundled", and "burned" (Mt 13:30 & 41).



The fall of Babylon the great( worldwide false religion) is next. This triggers the tribulation then Har-mageddon.
 

2ndpillar

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The fall of Babylon the great( worldwide false religion) is next. This triggers the tribulation then Har-mageddon.

The house of Judah has been in tribulation for over 2000 years. Now the "great tribulation", that is behind the door (Matthew 24:33), which is the "awesome day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32), which will follow the gathering of the nations against Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:1-3). When the nations "capture" "Jerusalem", then the "LORD will go forth and fight". As for Babylon the Great, well the winds are blowing, the rains are a falling, and the floods are flooding (Mt 7:27), and her "fall" is eminent, and is waiting for the "strong angel" to cast her into the sea (Revelation 18:21). That "strong angel" has the faith to throw a mountain (Babylon) into the sea.
 

kjw47

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The house of Judah has been in tribulation for over 2000 years. Now the "great tribulation", that is behind the door (Matthew 24:33), which is the "awesome day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32), which will follow the gathering of the nations against Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:1-3). When the nations "capture" "Jerusalem", then the "LORD will go forth and fight". As for Babylon the Great, well the winds are blowing, the rains are a falling, and the floods are flooding (Mt 7:27), and her "fall" is eminent, and is waiting for the "strong angel" to cast her into the sea (Revelation 18:21). That "strong angel" has the faith to throw a mountain (Babylon) into the sea.


The tribulation of Revelation will be worldwide.
 

2ndpillar

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The tribulation of Revelation will be worldwide.

The "great tribulation" will be "worldwide". That happens after the actual "kingdom" has been preached to the whole world (Mt 24:14), and the nations are gathered to Har-Magedon (Revelation 16:13-21). Right now we are in the era of the 8th head of the beast (Rev 17:11 & 16), who hates, persecutes, and burns the "harlot", the house of Judah, known as the Jews. As for "Babylon", she drinks from the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath, after the "cities of the nations fell" (Revelation 16:19), which follows the gathering to Har-Magedon (Rev 16:16).
 
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kjw47

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The "great tribulation" will be "worldwide". That happens after the actual "kingdom" has been preached to the whole world (Mt 24:14), and the nations are gathered to Har-Magedon (Revelation 16:13-21). Right now we are in the era of the 8th head of the beast (Rev 17:11 & 16), who hates, persecutes, and burns the "harlot", the house of Judah, known as the Jews. As for "Babylon", she drinks from the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath, after the "cities of the nations fell" (Revelation 16:19), which follows the gathering to Har-Magedon (Rev 16:16).



The kingdom preaching work started back in 1914( or prior)In these last days) --Luke 10--Acts 20:20)-- Jesus started it first back in his day. You are correct it doesn't stop until the end.
 

2ndpillar

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The kingdom preaching work started back in 1914( or prior)In these last days) --Luke 10--Acts 20:20)-- Jesus started it first back in his day. You are correct it doesn't stop until the end.

Actually the JWs preach the false gospel of grace, and then throw in the words "kingdom of God" with pictures of lions eating with lambs. They kind of leave out the part of drinking the wine of the wrath of God for having the mark of the beast. They don't perceive who the beast is, nor the mark they have taken upon themselves. The JWs lack the power and spirit of God, as well as the truth given by his messenger, the son of man. As minions of Paul, they are most likely producing sons of hell worse than themselves. But don't despair, "those who dwell on the earth" were deceived. (Rev 13:14) You apparently won't be alone. As for your reference to Luke 10, Luke 10:9, "heal those in it who are sick". Now if you could do that, then you might be listened to.
 

kjw47

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Actually the JWs preach the false gospel of grace, and then throw in the words "kingdom of God" with pictures of lions eating with lambs. They kind of leave out the part of drinking the wine of the wrath of God for having the mark of the beast. They don't perceive who the beast is, nor the mark they have taken upon themselves. The JWs lack the power and spirit of God, as well as the truth given by his messenger, the son of man. As minions of Paul, they are most likely producing sons of hell worse than themselves. But don't despair, "those who dwell on the earth" were deceived. (Rev 13:14) You apparently won't be alone. As for your reference to Luke 10, Luke 10:9, "heal those in it who are sick". Now if you could do that, then you might be listened to.


We know exactly who the beast is, both of them.
If you reject Paul--You reject Jesus and God as well-Luke 10:16
 

2ndpillar

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We know exactly who the beast is, both of them.
If you reject Paul--You reject Jesus and God as well-Luke 10:16


You are confusing the JWs and Paul, with “Me”, and those chosen by “Me”(Luke 10:16). On the other hand, as a minion of Paul, you have nailed the “Word of God” to the cross, and have jointed yourself with the lawless (Romans 7:6). Not looking good for you nor the JWs.

As for “who the beast is”, please do tell.
 

kjw47

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You are confusing the JWs and Paul, with “Me”, and those chosen by “Me”(Luke 10:16). On the other hand, as a minion of Paul, you have nailed the “Word of God” to the cross, and have jointed yourself with the lawless (Romans 7:6). Not looking good for you nor the JWs.

As for “who the beast is”, please do tell.


There is a 7 headed beast with 10 horns, and a two horned beast. Since God gave a mark of a beast to the 4 world powers listed in Daniel--we know the beast,s represent a world power--(a horn = a kingdom) 10 horns= a place where kingdoms gather--2 horns = 2 kingdoms working together--all have watched this for years now.
 

2ndpillar

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There is a 7 headed beast with 10 horns, and a two horned beast. Since God gave a mark of a beast to the 4 world powers listed in Daniel--we know the beast,s represent a world power--(a horn = a kingdom) 10 horns= a place where kingdoms gather--2 horns = 2 kingdoms working together--all have watched this for years now.

Not even close. The horns represented "kings", such as leaders (Daniel 7:24). The heads represents kingdoms, in which the 6th head of the beast was represented by 10 horns, just as the 8th head of the beast will be represented by 10 horns. The "beast with two horns like a lamb", was the revised Roman kingdom of the 7th head of the beast, Constantine, with his two lamb like horns, being the Christ like Peter and Paul, the foundation stones of Constantine's Roman church. If you read Daniel 2, there is no place in that scenario for anything but gold, silver, bronze, steel, and a mix of steel and clay. Those all have been already crushed (Daniel 2:34), and only wait for the time when they will all be crushed all at the same time (Daniel 2:35 & 44), with the stone cut without hands. That is why you need to find a rock to hide under (Revelation 6:12-17).
 
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