socharlie
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does not Jesus put Self as Archetype? Archetype of Man Who Realized Christ Within as He says anyone who does like Him will become like Him?
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Is Jesus really God Or Gods created Son?
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74x12
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I see,
Respectfully I disagree. I think that we should stress the part where Christ says "because I go to the Father". To me this implies that if Jesus stayed on earth; then He would do miracles so numerous and great that no one could hope to do greater ones. So, I don't see anyone becoming Christ that way. Only by grace can we hope to become like Him.
Respect for each other is of Christ, this.I too share this in our discussions.
I personally see the event all Christains await, happened as a Thief in the night. I see the fulfillment is scriptural.
This OP about the Station of Jesus, is indeed an important aspect when discussing this topic.
Regards Tony
socharlie
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but Jesus does not stay on Earth - realizing Christ He becomes part of Pneumatic world, which is happens to those who realize Christ within. Jesus went to the Father, so will happen to everyone who meet Jesus's condition - "he who believes in Me" Note that at that moment Jesus was Christ Jesus.
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Its not pointless right in this passage All things are delivered to me of my Father: Fulfilling Due 18:18 Jesus the ambassador.and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him. (Luke 10:22) Right there is the proof that one can know The Son reveals the relationship to the believer John 14:21 He that has my commandments and keeps them .He it is that loves me.He that loves me shall be loved of my Father And I will love him and manifest myself to him.
You see the phrase I will manifest my self to him. Manifest means to reveal.
74x12
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Exactly. It's pointless to argue about it because only Jesus can reveal Himself and the Father. That was my whole point.
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Go back and read all the reference scriptures I posted. Its all there your just missing it. In summary of those scriptures The Majesty On High created Jesus which means savior. 2 Tim 1:9 before the world was Jesus and Christ are the Same
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same. Jesus the Son of God who existed before the world was John 17:5 Was sent on a mission to save humanity.
When his time came to do the Majesty on highs work. The Majesty said Son its time to Go and do my will on earth. At that moment Jesus( The Savior) was transformed into flesh and blood and left his Fathers side in eternity. Again Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren. That is made flesh and Blood.
There is no such thing as Christ the Son of God entering an existing human fetus. The Majesty transformed His only begotten Son into a fetus.
Ill talk about Dan 9:24 latter!
socharlie
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Jesus is son of man has a
31“I did not recognize Him, but so that He might be manifested to Israel, I came baptizing in water.” 32John testified saying, “I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him. 33“I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.’ 34“I myself have seen, and have testified that this is the Son of God.”
Jesus is Son of Man he has birthday like all of us. Christ , Logos is Son of God. 14And the Word became flesh
31“I did not recognize Him, but so that He might be manifested to Israel, I came baptizing in water.” 32John testified saying, “I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him. 33“I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.’ 34“I myself have seen, and have testified that this is the Son of God.”
I think the concept "Son" or "Father" are human-like and not god-like, and they don't explain the complex philosophy of the first Chapter of John. John and Philo of Alexandria are both philosophers who explain what Plato meant by demiurge : that is the Logos is not something distinct from matter, but one cannot exist without the other. That is, Mary's womb is not a means, by which Jesus came to being, but Jesus would have never existed without Mary. Without's Mary's Love, which allowed that (the Logos became flesh). Btw, in Luke, Elizabeth tells her clearly that Jesus is the fruit of her womb.
So the Logos became flesh (o Logos sarx egeneto), without God's intervention, but that Logos was nourished by Mary's blood.
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Im begining to realize that you really dont beleive what the Apostle wrote. Its all write thier but for some reason you can see.
You say that "Logas is not distinct from Matter" and " Jesus would not have existed without Mary"
Yet John 17:5 Says The glory I had with you before the world was.
Can you see what that is plainly saying?????