Easter versus Passover? Which is of God? Which is of Satan?

pearl · Feb 28, 2018

Gerhard Ebersoehn said:
THE THIRD DAY”!

Pinchas Lapide states in his book that the 'interval between the crucifixion of Good Friday afternoon until the dawn of Easter Sunday was hardly longer than one and a half days, has a biblical - Jewish reason. Only in the context of the Hebrew Bible does this expression of the apostles, which is certainly not meant literally, have its underlying significance for the history of salvation:
"On the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes..." Gen 22:4.
"On the morning of the third day there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mountain..."Ex 19:16. Introduces the appearance of God on Mount Sinai.
"On the third day Joseph said to them, "Do this and you will live" Gen 42:18
"And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days" Jonah 1:17-before he was saved
"On the third day Esther put on her royal robes" Esther 1:1 after which Israel was saved out of its bitter affliction.
Hosea says it most clearly, "After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will raise us up" Hos 6:2. The Rabbis comment on this in the Midrash Rabba: "The Holy One, Blessed be his name, never lets the just stay in affliction longer than three days."
"On the third day" has nothing to do with the date or with the counting of time but contains for ears which are educated biblically a clear reference to God's mercy and grace which is revealed after two days of affliction and death by way of redemption.

Lapide is an interesting read. He believes Jesus' Resurrection to be an historical event, does not believe Jesus to be the Messiah.

https://www.amazon.com/Resurrection-Jesus-Jewish-Perspective/dp/157910908X#reader_157910908X

Prestor John · Feb 28, 2018

Neither are of Satan. There is nothing wrong with celebrating either one.

Both are celebrations of God's mercy and grace extended towards all of Mankind.

Prestor John · Feb 28, 2018

Neither are of Satan. There is nothing wrong with celebrating either one.

Both are celebrations of God's mercy and grace extended towards all of Mankind.

2ndpillar · Feb 28, 2018

BilliardsBall said:
There is much any believer can learn from both Passover and Easter. After all, the sign of the cross was on every Jewish home in blood during the first Passover.

Passover was the 14th of Nissan, not the Feast of the pagan god Astarte, the queen of heaven. There was no "sign of the cross" on the "lintels", it was the "blood" of an unblemished lamb. The "sign of the cross" is the sign of the "beast", given to him by the "dragon" (Revelation 13:4), and the "dragons" son, the false prophet Paul, who were to "deceive" those "who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13:14).

2ndpillar · Feb 28, 2018

Prestor John said:
Neither are of Satan. There is nothing wrong with celebrating either one.

Both are celebrations of God's mercy and grace extended towards all of Mankind.

I think a lesson will be learned regarding those with the mark of the beast, when those so marked, will drink the wine of the "wrath of God" (Revelation 14:9-10). While those who sin in ignorance, will probably fare better than those who were warned, unfortunately, you have been notified. As for "all mankind", which is a bit too broad, those who are liars, etc., will not do well (Revelation 22:15), and those "nations where I have scatter you (Jacob)", "I will destroy completely" (Jeremiah 30:11). As for the nations in general He will "smite the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron, and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God the Almighty." (Revelation 19:15).

Prestor John · Feb 28, 2018

2ndpillar said:
I think a lesson will be learned regarding those with the mark of the beast, when those so marked, will drink the wine of the "wrath of God" (Revelation 14:9-10). While those who sin in ignorance, will probably fare better than those who were warned, unfortunately, you have been notified. As for "all mankind", which is a bit too broad, those who are liars, etc., will not do well (Revelation 22:15), and those "nations where I have scatter you (Jacob)", "I will destroy completely" (Jeremiah 30:11). As for the nations in general He will "smite the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron, and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God the Almighty." (Revelation 19:15).

None of what you have shared nullifies that fact that God has extended both mercy and grace to all Mankind.

The Sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ and His subsequent Resurrection are a gift to all that none will be denied.

You strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.

2ndpillar · Feb 28, 2018

Prestor John said:
None of what you have shared nullifies that fact that God has extended both mercy and grace to all Mankind.

The Sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ and His subsequent Resurrection are a gift to all that none will be denied.

You strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.

You apparently like swallowing leaven (the hypocrisy of the Pharisee of Pharisees), and have an aversion to "good seed". Satan, and his son, Paul, both promise that "you surely shall not die" if you dismiss the Commandments of God, yet the path of both lead the "many" to "destruction" (Matthew 7:13). Now as far as your path, whatever it is, it is probably too late to change it, for Yeshua said in Revelation 22:11, that those "who do wrong, still do wrong". Plus he said, "Seek the LORD while he may be found". (Isaiah 56:5-7) You have seemed to have forgotten to "forsake" your "wicked ways", and think you are "saved" by following the leaven of the Pharisee. The nations/Gentiles were given an opportunity to produce "good fruit", but apparently, they have chosen the "broad" "way", which requires that no "good fruit" be produced. (Mt 7:13).

Isaiah 56:5 "Behold, you will call a nation you do not know, And a nation which knows you not will run to you, Because of the LORD your God, even the Holy One of Israel; For He has glorified you." 6Seek the LORD while He may be found; Call upon Him while He is near. 7Let the wicked forsake his way And the unrighteous man his thoughts; And let him return to the LORD, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon.…

Prestor John · Feb 28, 2018

2ndpillar said:
You apparently like swallowing leaven (the hypocrisy of the Pharisee of Pharisees), and have an aversion to "good seed". Satan, and his son, Paul, both promise that "you surely shall not die" if you dismiss the Commandments of God, yet the path of both lead the "many" to "destruction" (Matthew 7:13). Now as far as your path, whatever it is, it is probably too late to change it, for Yeshua said in Revelation 22:11, that those "who do wrong, still do wrong". Plus he said, "Seek the LORD while he may be found". (Isaiah 56:5-7) You have seemed to have forgotten to "forsake" your "wicked ways", and think you are "saved" by following the leaven of the Pharisee. The nations/Gentiles were given an opportunity to produce "good fruit", but apparently, they have chosen the "broad" "way", which requires that no "good fruit" be produced. (Mt 7:13).

Isaiah 56:5 "Behold, you will call a nation you do not know, And a nation which knows you not will run to you, Because of the LORD your God, even the Holy One of Israel; For He has glorified you." 6Seek the LORD while He may be found; Call upon Him while He is near. 7Let the wicked forsake his way And the unrighteous man his thoughts; And let him return to the LORD, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon.…

You have not been called to be a Judge in Israel. You do not speak with authority.

Paul was an apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ. A true and worthy servant of God.

There is no room in my joy in Christ for your back biting.

You will never find peace as long as you keep that beam in your eye.

God bless.

2ndpillar · Feb 28, 2018

Prestor John said:
You have not been called to be a Judge in Israel. You do not speak with authority.

Paul was an apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ. A true and worthy servant of God.

There is no room in my joy in Christ for your back biting.

You will never find peace as long as you keep that beam in your eye.

God bless.

You will be judged, but by "My words" (John 12:47). Good luck with that one.

John 12:47 As for anyone who hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not receive My words: The word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.

74x12 · Feb 28, 2018

2ndpillar said:
Easter versus Passover? Which is of God? Which is of Satan?

The high holy Sabbaths of the LORD are a time schedule with respect to the “awesome day of the LORD”, which will be in conjunction with the millennium, such as the 7th day of the week. The feast of Easter, formally defined at Constantine’s convened Council of Nicaea, in 325 A.D. is in conjunction with him setting the day of rest, as the 8th day of the week, the day of his sun god, Sol Invictus, which is Sunday, which is in conjunction with the “eighth day”, the day after the 7th day of the feast of Unleavened Bread.

(Leviticus 23:36) On the feast of the “eighth day”, following the Feast of Booths" “an offering by fire” is required by the “LORD”. Being that feast is called the “Last Great Day”, one would think that that fire would be the “lake of fire”, which is dedicated for use by Satan and his followers, with special accommodations made for the devil, the beast and the false prophet (Revelation 20:10)

Passover is based on a lunar calendar, and Easter is based on a solar calendar. Yeshua was buried in the evening of the 14th of Nissan, on the 4th day of the week. The 5th day of the week, Friday, would be the 15th of Nissan, a high holy Sabbath, the 1st day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The grave was empty on the evening of the 7th day of the week, prior to the 1st day of the week, which dawns/starts on the evening of the 7th day of the week (John 20:1). The sign of Jonah is 3 days and 3 nights. Yeshua was not buried on the 6th day of the week (Friday), and raised 1 day and 2 nights afterward. .

You might want to take more care with the festivals of God, for they are the flow chart for the “day of the LORD”, which is just behind the door. (Mt 24:33).

New American Standard Bible Leviticus 23:36
'For seven days you shall present an offering by fire to the LORD. On the eighth day you shall have a holy convocation and present an offering by fire to the LORD; it is an assembly. You shall do no laborious work.

Easter - Ishtar ...
Bunnies - well known for their prolific breeding ...
Eggs - symbol of fertility ...
Easter apparently might come from Ishtar fertility ritual. However it's no big deal in my opinion unless people do it as Ishtar worship; then that's wrong. Otherwise they're glorifying Christ and His resurrection(even if with ignorant bunny rabbit Easter egg nonsense). Therefore I don't mind it so much. Same with Christmas ... I believe it's a time of year when people actually do good deeds and are nice to each other. This is "good fruit" and a tree is known by it's fruit as Christ taught. However, this doesn't mean I'm not aware of the pagan origins of December 25th holiday. I just don't care really about any of it. If people want to celebrate these days okay. If not, okay. Just go with your own conscience on these matters.

Anyway, the Passover has already come if you believe Jesus is the passover then that's final. Either you have the blood applied or not. Peter was one of the twelve apostles. You know that John saw the new Jerusalem and the 12 foundations of the city are the 12 apostles?

Prestor John · Mar 1, 2018

2ndpillar said:
You will be judged, but by "My words" (John 12:47). Good luck with that one.

John 12:47 As for anyone who hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not receive My words: The word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.

Judged by His words, not your "hellfire" interpretation of His words.

BilliardsBall · Mar 1, 2018

2ndpillar said:
Passover was the 14th of Nissan, not the Feast of the pagan god Astarte, the queen of heaven. There was no "sign of the cross" on the "lintels", it was the "blood" of an unblemished lamb. The "sign of the cross" is the sign of the "beast", given to him by the "dragon" (Revelation 13:4), and the "dragons" son, the false prophet Paul, who were to "deceive" those "who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13:14).

Huh? Who mentioned Astarte? I'm a follower of the Jewish Mashiach.

The blood on the post and lintels, with the basin below, has the least blood where Christ's head and wrists were pierced, and the most blood at His feet, where the blood ran.

The beast is Europe--the woman who rides the beast = Europa. The dragon is devouring the 12 tribes of Jewish people and tries to devour the Christians after, this has nothing to do with Paul.

2ndpillar · Mar 1, 2018

BilliardsBall said:
Huh? Who mentioned Astarte? I'm a follower of the Jewish Mashiach.

The blood on the post and lintels, with the basin below, has the least blood where Christ's head and wrists were pierced, and the most blood at His feet, where the blood ran.

The beast is Europe--the woman who rides the beast = Europa. The dragon is devouring the 12 tribes of Jewish people and tries to devour the Christians after, this has nothing to do with Paul.

Easter is observed on the pagan festival of Ishtar/Astarte, the queen of heaven/mother of god. It has nothing to do with Passover.

There are no 12 tribes of Jewish people. Jew is a term referring to Judah. The house of Judah and the house of Israel have been separated a long long time. The “house of Judah” (Jeremiah 31:31), the Jews, refer to the tribe of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi. The “house of Israel” remains “scattered among the nations” (Ezekiel 36:24-27).

The “beast” of Revelation 13:1, has 7 heads and 10 horns, and the heads have blasphemous names, and only 4 of those heads refer to the kingdom of Rome, which would include Western Europe. As for Pharisee Paul, he is simply the “false prophet”, who was to help the 7th head of the beast to “deceive” “those who dwell on the earth” (Revelation 13:14), and to help a “daughter of Babylon” (Zech 2:7), the Roman church, to wear down the saints of the Highest one”(Daniel 7:25). In the present, Paul's demon spirit, the spirit of the false prophet, is being used to gather the kings of the whole world to Har-Magedon (Revelation 16:13-16). That location is somewhat north of Jerusalem. One of their goals would be to "wipe out" the "nation" of "Israel" (Psalms 83) & (Zechariah 14:1-3).

2ndpillar · Mar 1, 2018

74x12 said:
Anyway, the Passover has already come if you believe Jesus is the passover then that's final. Either you have the blood applied or not. Peter was one of the twelve apostles. You know that John saw the new Jerusalem and the 12 foundations of the city are the 12 apostles?

Passover, is the Preparation Day, for the passing over of the angel of death. The "awesome day of the LORD" will be a day of the passing over of 7 angels of death (Revelation 8:2), and like in Egypt, there will be those who "escape" (Joel 2:31-32).

As for Peter, he would be the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:16-17, who would not feed, care, or heal the sheep, but none the less, he fulfilled his requirements as stated in Scripture. As the Roman church was built on Peter, he would be a foundation stone of sandstone, and when the winds, rains, and floods come, the house built on him, and not built on the "tested stone" (Isaiah 28:16), will "fall" (Matthew 7:27) & (Isaiah 22:25).

Gerhard Ebersoehn · Mar 1, 2018

pcarl said:
Pinchas Lapide states in his book that the 'interval between the crucifixion of Good Friday afternoon until the dawn of Easter Sunday was hardly longer than one and a half days, has a biblical - Jewish reason. Only in the context of the Hebrew Bible does this expression of the apostles, which is certainly not meant literally, have its underlying significance for the history of salvation:
"On the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes..." Gen 22:4.
"On the morning of the third day there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mountain..."Ex 19:16. Introduces the appearance of God on Mount Sinai.
"On the third day Joseph said to them, "Do this and you will live" Gen 42:18
"And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days" Jonah 1:17-before he was saved
"On the third day Esther put on her royal robes" Esther 1:1 after which Israel was saved out of its bitter affliction.
Hosea says it most clearly, "After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will raise us up" Hos 6:2. The Rabbis comment on this in the Midrash Rabba: "The Holy One, Blessed be his name, never lets the just stay in affliction longer than three days."
"On the third day" has nothing to do with the date or with the counting of time but contains for ears which are educated biblically a clear reference to God's mercy and grace which is revealed after two days of affliction and death by way of redemption.

Lapide is an interesting read. He believes Jesus' Resurrection to be an historical event, does not believe Jesus to be the Messiah.

https://www.amazon.com/Resurrection-Jesus-Jewish-Perspective/dp/157910908X#reader_157910908X

A neat piece of writing. Why do you think 'this expression', "the third day", 'is certainly not meant literally' while you correctly claim that it has 'its underlying significance for the history of salvation'. To be 'history', "the third day" must be 'meant literally', 'certainly'!

metis · Mar 1, 2018

pcarl said:
"On the third day" has nothing to do with the date or with the counting of time but contains for ears which are educated biblically a clear reference to God's mercy and grace which is revealed after two days of affliction and death by way of redemption.

That's a very good point that I haven't thought of before.

In early Jewish tradition, some numbers were considered "holy" (good), and 3 was one of them as well as 7, 10, 12, and 40. 1000 was interpreted as being "great numbers" as it used to be the highest number [anything higher had to combine numbers].

pearl · Mar 1, 2018

Gerhard Ebersoehn said:
To be 'history', "the third day" must be 'meant literally', 'certainly'!

There is a difference in how we define 'literally'. The literal truth contained in the three day motif is as Lapide explained it and as the Sacred Writers used it from the same sources, Hebrew Scripture.
Their purpose was not to give a chronological history, but a faith history. The Resurrection is first and foremost what God did for Jesus, he vindicated him.

2ndpillar · Mar 1, 2018

Gerhard Ebersoehn said:
A neat piece of writing. Why do you think 'this expression', "the third day", 'is certainly not meant literally' while you correctly claim that it has 'its underlying significance for the history of salvation'. To be 'history', "the third day" must be 'meant literally', 'certainly'!

The term the "third day" is taken from Hosea 6:2, whereas "He will revive us", with the us being Judah and Ephraim/Israel, and the "third day" referring to "after two days", or 2000 years, the around 2700 years that Judah and Ephraim have been "crushed in judgment " (Hosea 5:11). They being "My people". (Jeremiah 30:3) It is "Jacob" who "will be saved from it" (Jeremiah 30:7). "For I will destroy completely all the nations/Gentiles where I have scattered you" (Jeremiah 30:11).

New American Standard Bible Jeremiah 30:3
'For behold, days are coming,' declares the LORD, 'when I will restore the fortunes of My people Israel and Judah.' The LORD says, 'I will also bring them back to the land that I gave to their forefathers and they shall possess it.'"

pearl · Mar 1, 2018

metis said:
In early Jewish tradition, some numbers were considered "holy" (good), and 3 was one of them as well as 7, 10, 12, and 40. 1000 was interpreted as being "great numbers" as it used to be the highest number [anything higher had to combine numbers].

Interesting. There are 10 Commandments, Moses wandered the desert for 40 years, there were 12 tribes, Jesus tempted 40 days, had 12 disciples, the Church has 7 sacraments etc.

metis · Mar 1, 2018

pcarl said:
Interesting. There are 10 Commandments, Moses wandered the desert for 40 years, there were 12 tribes, Jesus tempted 40 days, had 12 disciples, the Church has 7 sacraments etc.

And this is why some numbers in scripture one may have to take with a grain of salt, such as the "144,000" mentioned in Revelation, which couldn't be written that way but may have been written as twelve-twelves-thousands (good upon good and in great numbers).

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