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President Chickenhawk's Viet Nam Draft Deferments.

Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
metis said:
Except at the time that he got the deferment for bone spurs he had been playing in various sports activities. I've had a bone spur before, they can be painful but they can also be dealt with as I did.
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But the system is what it is.
One can legally avoid the draft by....

Being too thin
Being too fat
Being of the right religion, one which opposes all war.
Being female (not even required to register for the draft)
Having a low draft lottery number.
Being politically connected.
Being gay.
Being trans (not even required to register for the draft).
Being a student (in some years, but not others).
Being a priest or other clergy member.
Being a parent (the John Wayne method of avoiding WW2)
Being asthmatic as a kid (the Joe Biden method)
The list goes on & on......
 
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esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
metis said:
Except at the time that he got the deferment for bone spurs he had been playing in various sports activities. I've had a bone spur before, they can be painful but they can also be dealt with as I did.
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Yeah, stay off you feet for long periods of time. Don't jog, don't power walk, don't play golf without a cart. So how did you deal with them. The procedure from removing bone spurs is worse than the condition. Now they say there is a sonic method, but haven't looked into it. My doctor says if they get to bad come in and he will give me a shot in my heel, had it done once in 12 years.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
esmith said:
Yeah, stay off you feet for long periods of time. Don't jog, don't power walk, don't play golf without a cart. So how did you deal with them. The procedure from removing bone spurs is worse than the condition. Now they say there is a sonic method, but haven't looked into it. My doctor says if they get to bad come in and he will give me a shot in my heel, had it done once in 12 years.
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From your description, you can still function with bone spurs.
But if you must sometimes stay off your feet, how well would
this work for a soldier, who might or might not be able to do
what needs to be done when so ordered? As I recall, you've
been a grunt....did you get to opt out of service on bad days?
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
metis said:
Except at the time that he got the deferment for bone spurs he had been playing in various sports activities. I've had a bone spur before, they can be painful but they can also be dealt with as I did.
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Is the problem that Trump is a hawk who is prone to getting us into a war?
Or is it that you find it hypocritical to be a hawk who hadn't fought in a war?
Should we deny the presidency to politicians who haven't fought in a war?
 
Falvlun

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
Sunstone said:
I don't think Cadet Bone Spurs was opposed to the Viet Nam War on moral grounds so much as he was merely opposed to he himself risking his life to participate in it.

Back in the day, he didn't protest the war or anything so noble as that. There's no record at all of him doing that, and so far as I've heard, not even he claims to have so much as written even one letter-to-the-editor in protest.

[Source]

What a wus.

He probably didn't mind at all that other people were getting shot up, though. Nowadays, he's basically a chickenhawk, what with his posturing against North Korea and Iran. That most likely isn't much changed from his Viet Nam days.

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It’s not so much the draft dodging that is reprehensible.

It’s comments like this:
““You know, if you’re young, and in this era, and if you have any guilt about not having gone to Vietnam, we have our own Vietnam — it’s called the dating game,” Trump said to Stern in a 1993 interview. “Dating is like being in Vietnam. You’re the equivalent of a soldier going over to Vietnam.” Source

“"I said to him, 'Is that, like, the real one or is that a copy?'" Trump recounted. "And he said, 'That's my real Purple Heart. I have such confidence in you.' And I said, 'Man! That's like, that's like big stuff.'"

"I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier," continued the celebrity businessman, who has never served in the armed forces. "But I tell you, it was such an honor." Source

On John McCAIN: “He’s not a war hero,” said Trump. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.” Source

Not to mention his insensitive attack on a gold star family, and his purported insensitive condolences to a new widow.

This is man who doesn’t appear to fully understand or appreciate the sacrifice that comes with serving in a war.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
sunrise123 said:
Really? Trolling about Hillary "INVOKING" a privilege, I see.
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Now, now...don't bite.
It's "trolling" to point out that Hillary never fought in a war?
She had gender instead of bone spurs to avoid the draft.
The cry of "chickenhawk" is too often used with hypocrisy.
If calling this out is trolling, then stay off'n me bridge less'n you pay!

I notice too often a sexist attitude that men are expected to risk
life & limb in war, but that women have no such obligation.
Moreover, men with low draft lottery numbers have this duty,
but not those with high numbers are excused with no problem.
Do you find this rational?
 
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Epic Beard Man

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Sunstone said:
I don't think Cadet Bone Spurs was opposed to the Viet Nam War on moral grounds so much as he was merely opposed to he himself risking his life to participate in it.

Back in the day, he didn't protest the war or anything so noble as that. There's no record at all of him doing that, and so far as I've heard, not even he claims to have so much as written even one letter-to-the-editor in protest.

[Source]

What a wus.

He probably didn't mind at all that other people were getting shot up, though. Nowadays, he's basically a chickenhawk, what with his posturing against North Korea and Iran. That most likely isn't much changed from his Viet Nam days.

Comments?
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esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
Revoltingest said:
From your description, you can still function with bone spurs.
But if you must sometimes stay off your feet, how well would
this work for a soldier, who might or might not be able to do
what needs to be done when so ordered? As I recall, you've
been a grunt....did you get to opt out of service on bad days?
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NO I was not a "grunt". I'm a salty old Sea Dog.
Didn't develop my condition until around 2004 (retired Navy in 1981) and the Doc said it was because of years walking on steel decks and running on pavement without proper stretching.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
esmith said:
NO I was not a "grunt". I'm a salty old Sea Dog.
Didn't develop my condition until around 2004 (retired Navy in 1981) and the Doc said it was because of years walking on steel decks and running on pavement without proper stretching.
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A friend wrecked his back ducking under those dang little doors on ships.
He's 6'4", & looked like one of those speed skaters when moving about
the ship....an old one.
 
Kuzcotopia

Kuzcotopia

If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
Sunstone said:
I don't think Cadet Bone Spurs was opposed to the Viet Nam War on moral grounds so much as he was merely opposed to he himself risking his life to participate in it.

What a wus.
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I see no reason why avoiding military combat makes you a wuss. I would do anything . . . Anything to avoid military combat in a foreign country.

I would gladly fake any physical malady. . . I am very opposed to Trump's policies (with a couple of exceptions), his middle school tactics, and his very obvious ignorance. . .

But in this, he has a kindred spirit, so the whole line of Trump "cowardice" is a little tired for a liberal like me.
 
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pearl

Well-Known Member
9-10ths_Penguin said:
While there have been other Presidents who aren't veterans, Trump is somewhat unique in his demonstrated disregard for other people, which is a dangerous trait for a commander-in-chief.
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I think in Trump's mind the military belongs to him personally, and it is the duty of the military to honor Trump, 'I've got bigger toys' to play with. The parade he wants is more for his own honor than the men and women of the military.
 
esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
Revoltingest said:
A friend wrecked his back ducking under those dang little doors on ships.
He's 6'4", & looked like one of those speed skaters when moving about
the ship....an old one.
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Naw even the new ones are the same as the old ships. However, only the watertight hatches are that way. Took some busted shins before one gets used to the "knee-knocker" also.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Kuzcotopia said:
I see no reason why avoiding military combat makes you a wuss. I would do anything . . . Anything to avoid military combat in a foreign country.

I would gladly fake any physical malady. . . I am very opposed to Trump's policies (with a couple of exceptions), his middle school tactics, and his very obvious ignorance. . .

But in this, he has a kindred spirit, so the whole line of Trump "cowardice" is a little tired for a liberal like me.
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You might like Revoltistan's battle cry....
"Damn the torpedoes....full speed astern!"
 
BSM1

BSM1

What? Me worry?
esmith said:
Well obviously there are those that think that bone spurs are nothing. Well, I hope you develop them along with the condition that usually causes them...plantar fasciitis. Then let's see what you think
I have both conditions and it is almost totally debilitating when it comes to being on your feet.
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I have plantar fasciitis also. Mine comes and goes but you're right, it's no picnic.
 
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