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Did the night the last supper was said to have occurred on the 14th or 15th of Nissan?Why did Jesus not kill and eat the paschal lamb at the last supper?
irrelevant, the passover requires the sacrifice of the lamb and it's assimilation as part of the ceremony. why is that part not part of the passover Jesus should have celebrated as a jew?Did the night the last supper was said to have occurred on the 14th or 15th of Nissan?
It's quite relevant. The Passover sacrifice is killed on the 14th day and eaten on the 15th night. If the authors of the NT had Jesus dead by then, there's no logical reason for them to have him eating it.irrelevant, the passover requires the sacrifice of the lamb as part of the ceremony. why is that part not part of the passover Jesus should have celebrated as a jew?
If I recall correctly, Matthew, Mark and Luke have the Last Supper-Crucifixion narrative at a different date than John. In the synoptics they eat with Jesus and in John Jesus is before the Romans on the eve of the Passover.It's quite relevant. The Passover sacrifice is killed on the 14th day and eaten on the 15th night. If the authors of the NT had Jesus dead by then, there's no logical reason for them to have him eating it.
It's quite relevant. The Passover sacrifice is killed on the 14th day and eaten on the 15th night. If the authors of the NT had Jesus dead by then, there's no logical reason for them to have him eating it.
this comes from luke 22
7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 Jesus sent Peter and John saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
there is no mention of any lamb in the meal. references are made to the unleaven bread but not to an actual literal, physical lamb other than Jesus' reference to his body as the bread and his blood as the wine.
This sentence is nonsense. The Passover sacrifice is prepared the day before the holiday of Unleavened Bread, not on it.this comes from luke 22
7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 Jesus sent Peter and John saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
Jesus was preparing himself for the sacrifice replacing Passover with himself. They were preparing Jesus. The bread was symbolic since the sacrifice had not occurred but was claimed to be the key to remission if sins and eternal life. He claimed to be the son of man which likely angered regular Jews not agreeing with Jesus hijacking of the Tanach.This sentence is nonsense. The Passover sacrifice is prepared the day before the holiday of Unleavened Bread, not on it.
This sentence is nonsense. The Passover sacrifice is prepared the day before the holiday of Unleavened Bread, not on it.
Did you read Tumah's religion label? Lol.The Festival of Unleavened Bread was the entire 7 (+) day period. Passover is only one 24 hour period out of that. In the days of the Second Temple, the Festival began with the sacrifice of the lambs on the afternoon of Nisan 14. That was the '+' I mentioned above. Passover itself began at sunset, the beginning of Nisan 15. In modern times there is no + because there is no Temple in which to perform sacrifices. But outside of Israel, for the fully observant .Jew the Festival is actually 8 days with a second Passover Seder being observed. The reason is a bit complicated and I will not go there right now.
Did you read Tumah's religion label? Lol.
I'm not sure you understood. I'm just pointing it out to you that Tumah is an Orthodox Jew. I'm sure he doesn't need Pesach explaining to him. That's all.There is some ambiguity in what one might mean when saying Passover or Pesach, One might mean one day or the whole 7/8 day period. But the Festival (or Feast) of Unleavened Bread is the whole Megillah, so to speak.
This is wrong. There is no holiday called "Passover" in the Tanach. Holidays are not given proper names, they're called by events relevant to the holiday. The Feast of Unleavened Bread is also called the Feast of the Passover, because it's the holiday that the Passover sacrifice was eaten on. The Feast of Unleavened Bread aka the Feast of Passover begins on Nisan the 15th at night and continues for 7 days. It's not a 24 hour period, it's another name for the same holiday. The day prior to the Feast, the 14th, is not a holiday, it's simply the day on which one removes all unleavened bread in order to sacrifice the Passover offering (which can't be sacrificed with unleavened bread around). There are no special observances on the 14th, because again, although the Passover sacrifice is being sacrificed on this day, it's not eaten until the night time. The offering must be eaten on the night of the 15th and can't be eaten after dawn, so there's a practical reason why we don't wait until the night to start the sacrifices. So the only time the word "Passover" refers to a holiday, is when the word "festival" is attached to it. Otherwise it refers to the actual sacrifice. The proper noun "Passover" for the holiday is a much later name for the holiday, similar to how Rosh HaShanah is a later name for the Day of Trumpets.The Festival of Unleavened Bread was the entire 7 (+) day period. Passover is only one 24 hour period out of that. In the days of the Second Temple, the Festival began with the sacrifice of the lambs on the afternoon of Nisan 14. That was the '+' I mentioned above. Passover itself began at sunset, the beginning of Nisan 15. In modern times there is no + because there is no Temple in which to perform sacrifices. But outside of Israel, for the fully observant .Jew the Festival is actually 8 days with a second Passover Seder being observed. The reason is a bit complicated and I will not go there right now.