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Predestinated ?

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2ndpillar

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Faithofchristian said:
So who do you suppose the dead are?

In Revelation 13:4 the sea gave up the dead.
What does the sea represents in the book of Revelation and what people represents the dead ?
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You are not making any more sense with this note than any other note you have posted.

New American Standard Bible Rev 13:4
they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?"
 
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Faithofchristian

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2ndpillar said:
You are not making any more sense with this note than any other note you have posted.

New American Standard Bible Rev 13:4
they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?"
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What's the reason, that no one is able to make war against the beast ?
What does the beast represents ?
Who's the dragon, who is that ?
 
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2ndpillar

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Faithofchristian said:
What's the reason, that no one is able to make war against the beast ?
What does the beast represents ?
Who's the dragon, who is that ?
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The “beast” of Revelation 13:1, with “seven heads” is the same beast as Revelation 13:2, which is the beast of Daniel 7. The “beast” of Revelation 13:4, is “one of his heads had been slain” (Revelation 13:3), who was to have “authority for forty two months”, the length of the reign of Julius Caesar as a dictator. He “made war with the saints”, as his initial co ruler of the Roman Republic, Pompey, destroyed Jerusalem.

The “dragon” is the devil, Satan, and the Serpent (Revelation 20:2)

The beast has the authority of the “dragon” (Revelation 13:4). Rome/Caesar, as the 8th head of the beast (Rev 17:11), will eventually be “crushed” (Daniel 2:35 & 44), and the “dragon” will be chained in the abyss (Revelation 20:1-3).
 
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Faithofchristian

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2ndpillar said:
The “beast” of Revelation 13:1, with “seven heads” is the same beast as Revelation 13:2, which is the beast of Daniel 7. The “beast” of Revelation 13:4, is “one of his heads had been slain” (Revelation 13:3), who was to have “authority for forty two months”, the length of the reign of Julius Caesar as a dictator. He “made war with the saints”, as his initial co ruler of the Roman Republic, Pompey, destroyed Jerusalem.

The “dragon” is the devil, Satan, and the Serpent (Revelation 20:2)

The beast has the authority of the “dragon” (Revelation 13:4). Rome/Caesar, as the 8th head of the beast (Rev 17:11), will eventually be “crushed” (Daniel 2:35 & 44), and the “dragon” will be chained in the abyss (Revelation 20:1-3).
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I don't know where your going, when all i ask you, who is the beast in Revelation Chapter 13 Verse 4,

So don't go to the book of Daniel or any other place in Revelation.

Stay with Chapter 13 Verse 4. Of Revelation , who is that beast ?
 
Etritonakin

Etritonakin

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2ndpillar said:
Except for those saints risen from the dead, the rest of mankind will die in their time. If they are not thought of as accursed, they will live to at least 100 years of age. (Isaiah 65:20) Those who die will all be raised from the dead and be judged (Revelation 20:13).

New American Standard Bible Isaiah 65:20
"No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, Or an old man who does not live out his days; For the youth will die at the age of one hundred And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred Will be thought accursed.
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Are you saying that is contrary to anything I posted -or are you just stating those things?
 
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2ndpillar

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Etritonakin said:
Are you saying that is contrary to anything I posted -or are you just stating those things?
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I believe you stated that those surviving into the millennium, would not die, but be made immortal. I could have misread your statement. I was noting that they would die. Only the resurrected from the dead would not die, they already died once.
 
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2ndpillar

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Faithofchristian said:
I don't know where your going, when all i ask you, who is the beast in Revelation Chapter 13 Verse 4,

So don't go to the book of Daniel or any other place in Revelation.

Stay with Chapter 13 Verse 4. Of Revelation , who is that beast ?
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No, you asked "who is the beast". There is more than one beast in Revelation 13. I noted that the beast of Revelation 13:4 is Julius Caesar, who was given "authority" for "42 months" (Rev 13:5). Julius Caesar was dictator of Rome for 42 months, and he made "war with the saints", and conquered Jerusalem, and made a god, by the Roman Senate.
 
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Apologetics

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dfnj said:
I think predestination means our omnipotent God knows every choice you are going to make in your life before you even make it. So God already knows how you will be "judge" assuming God actually judges what he already knows.
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dfnj said:
I think predestination means our omnipotent God knows every choice you are going to make in your life before you even make it. So God already knows how you will be "judge" assuming God actually judges what he already knows.
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Who is the God you are speaking of that is omnipotent. Did he tell you or did you read his words on the matter of predestination. Or is what you say of your own thinking, your opinion. Remember opinions are meaningless unless they are supported by observation,experience or documentation. Even at that observation,experience or documentation can be deceiving and misleading. Thats why the bible says we all like sheep have gone astray we have turned aside everyone to his own way. Isa 53:6. Prov 14:12 There is way to man that seems right but the end thereof is the way of death.

Consider my friend that the God of Jesus who created all that you see, hear and feel. Who makes the sun rise faithfully everyday and provides the air you breath faithfully everyday. Who designed your ear to hear a specific sound wave length that comes out of your mouth so that you can hear and eyes that were designed to see a specific wave length in the electromagnetic wave spectrum we call light. So likewise.This powerful Creator God can also communicate with his creation, us, mankind as well and cause them to know his ways his laws and his plans for eternity, were there is no more sorrow, death and pain.Rev 21:4

The God of the Bible. The God of Jesus gave us his ways,laws and plans for eternity . When one chooses to believe in his word the bible everything changes. John 14:21 Jesus said He that hath my commandments, and keeps them, he it is that loves me: and he that loves me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

If you will believe. Jesus will show himself to you in such a way that it will complete wipe away all doubt as to the validity of his word the
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Etritonakin

Etritonakin

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2ndpillar said:
I believe you stated that those surviving into the millennium, would not die, but be made immortal. I could have misread your statement. I was noting that they would die. Only the resurrected from the dead would not die, they already died once.
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No -did not mean that -perhaps I was unclear.
 
JM Hardwick

JM Hardwick

SkyguyMasterDiver
dfnj said:
The "holy inspired scriptures" are wrong because they were written by men just like you and me.

God is omnipotent.

The concept of "sin" and an omnipotent God cannot coexist. If God is omnipotent, sin is totally invented by men pretending to speak for God.
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JM Hardwick

JM Hardwick

SkyguyMasterDiver
There is another factor that should be considered when contemplating the evil in this world, the devil.

1 Peter 5:8 NIV
[8] Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

Revelation 12:9-12 NIV
[9] The great dragon was hurled down---that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. [10] Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. [11] They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death. [12] Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.”
 
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