Why is the “Christian” day of rest, on the 8th day?

Phantasman said:

That's true of anything. God consecrates, not man.

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....and who are you...or any of us....to tell others that we are the ones who are in charge of what God consecrates?

Personally, I rather doubt that God gives a good hoot WHAT day of the week becomes the 'day of rest,' as long as there is one.

2ndpillar said:

So says your average Mormon. I hate to tell you that all the actual apostles kept the Law, and were not called "Christians" and the Jews had a problem with Paul, and many vowed to kill the "Liar", as he was apparently referred to in the Dead Sea Scrolls, whose writers had vowed not to rest until they to killed this liar. Kind of sounds like your buddy Paul, doesn't it?

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"...your average Mormon." "I hate to tell you..." "your buddy Paul." Wow, talk about getting unhinged over such a minor difference of opinion. I'd hate to the person who disagreed with you concerning something that really mattered.

2ndpillar said:

Why is the “Christian” day of rest, the 8th day?

Why did Constantine, in 321 A.D. establish the “day of the sun” (Sunday), as the day of rest, in honor of his sun god, Sol Invictus, when God’s Sabbath, the day of rest was on the 7th day? The 7th day still relates to its conjunction with the millennium, when there will be a “covenant of peace” with the combined sticks of “Judah” and “Israel” (Ezekiel 37), on the land that God gave to Jacob?

Could it be that the 8th day (Leviticus 23:36), the first day of the next week, represents the rest which the followers of the Roman church of Constantine, and his sun god, the dragon (Rev 13:4), established in 325 A.D. , will enter into their rest, the 2nd death?

Constantine's law of…321 [C.E] uniting Christians and pagans in the observance of the "venerable day of the sun" It is to be noted that this official solar worship, the final form of paganism in the empire…, was not the traditional Roman-Greek religion of Jupiter, Apollo, Venus, and the other Olympian deities. It was a product of the mingling Hellenistic-Oriental elements, exemplified in Aurelian's establishment of Eastern Sun worship at Rome as the official religion of the empire, and in his new temple enshrining Syrian statutes statues of Bel and the sun…. Thus at last Bel, the god of Babylon, came into the official imperial temple of Rome, the center of the imperial religion. It was this late Roman-Oriental worship of one supreme god, symbolized by the sun and absorbing lesser divinities as subordinates or manifestations of the universal deity, that competed with young Christianity. This was the Roman religion that went down in defeat but infiltrated and colored the victorious church with its own elements, some of which can be seen to this day. (Cramer 4)

On March 7, 321, Sunday was declared the official day of rest, on which markets were banned and public offices were closed,[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity

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The apostle John considered Sunday 'the Lord's Day'
Jesus was raised on Sunday and that was a game changer in some sense

The only named day for a communion service in the book of Acts was Sunday, with the falling kid raised Eitychus (meaning lucky in a providential sense)
The only named day for collecting offerings was Sunday in Corinthians
Jesus appeared on Sundays after being raise or at least those were the identified days of the week

2ndpillar said:

There is no justification for the "feast of Astarte" other than the "Christian" bishops hated the Jews, and wanted to cut any ties.

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I meant what is the evidence in favour of your idea that it related to Astarte, rather than Passover?

2ndpillar said:

Coin of Emperor Constantine I depicting Sol Invictus with the legend SOLI INVICTO COMITI, c.
Sol Invictus - Wikipedia

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I know Sol featured on some coins, it's just that there were at least 1,363 different coin designs during his reign, so drawing too much from what appeared on one of them is problematic.

Constantine with Victory


Constantine with a gate

Augustus said:

I meant what is the evidence in favour of your idea that it related to Astarte, rather than Passover?

I know Sol featured on some coins, it's just that there were at least 1,363 different coin designs during his reign, so drawing too much from what appeared on one of them is problematic.

Constantine with Victory

Constantine with a gate

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What is problematic, is the “Christians” claim that the vision of Mivian Bridge in 312 A.D. is about a vision of Christ, as propagated by Constantine’s man Friday, and church historian, Eusebius, when in fact, other accounts, are substantiated by the minting of the coin directed at Sol Invictus, with the statement of the vision, “Invictus”/conquer, which is to conquer under the sign of the cross, given by Sol Invictus to Constantine. Constantine didn’t mint coins directed at Christ, he minted coins directed glorifying Sol Invictus. That vision is where you get the standard of Constantine, which has the cross symbol, given to him by Sol Invictus, who is represented on coins minted right after the battle, with portraits of Sol Invictus. The cross is an ancient pagan symbol which can and is used to designate a triad of gods. The Holy Roman Empire did their conquering being crowned by a Roman Pope, who took the position of Maximus Pontifex from Julius Caesar, who took it from the chief pagan priests, and as with the Spanish, followed Constantine’s cross standard, the labarum, held by the Catholic monks, into the Americas, to wipe out the indigenous people, burn their writings, and use them as slaves to dig for gold.

A coin struck in 313, depicting Constantine as the companion of a solar deity
Battle of the Milvian Bridge - Wikipedia

As for Passover, it is to be kept on the 14th of the month of Nissan, based on the cycle of the moon. As for when is Easter currently kept, that is with respect to the Spring pagan festival based on the equinox, a cycle of the sun. The First Council of Nicaea (A.D. 325) declared that Easter was always to be held on a Sunday, and was not to coincide with a particular phase of the moon, which might occur on any day of the week. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_controversy The first day of the week has a 1 in 7 chances of being the 14th of Nissan. The Spring festival, Easter/Astarte/Ishtar, is based on the position of the sun, not the moon. The Jewish calendar is base on moon cycles. The Roman calendar of Caesar, the 5th head of the beast of Revelation 17:10, was based on the sun, and had 365 days. The dating of Easter is based on the sun cycle, which is contrary to the dating of Passover, which is on a moon cycle.

2ndpillar said:

The Spring festival, Easter/Astarte/Ishtar,

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Are you saying because the names sound similar in English they are the same thing?

2ndpillar said:

Why is the “Christian” day of rest, the 8th day?

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In the primitive Church a favorite name for Sunday was 'the eighth day'. The name is linked with the enumeration of the weekdays customary among the Jews, Sunday in Jewish reckoning was the first day. The Christians adopted the Jewish enumeration for the remaining days but wanted to avoid the notion that the week closed with the Sabbath, hence that the Sabbath is the climax of the week. It is on Sunday that God continued the work bringing it to a close. If the original count is continued Sunday becomes the eighth day.

There had to be a break in time in order for God to recreate a new heaven and a new earth.
Break in time verse:
Job_3:6 As for that night, let darkness seize upon it; let it not be joined unto the days of the year, let it not come into the number of the months.
Job_3:4 Let that day be darkness; let not God regard it from above, neither let the light shine upon it.

Yes, it is in the story of Job but it is a picture of Jesus.

Now, if one day, (Friday) the day Jesus died on the cross is taken out of time, than there is your break in time.
Break in time meaning the end of one and the beginning of another. Old ends New begins.

If Friday is taken out, Saturday slides in its place, that makes Sunday in 7th place. Not only do you have Sunday =being the first day of a new week but also a new beginning of a new week as the 8th day.

Oh, if Jesus resurrected on the third day, the first day of the week, that would make Monday, the 8th day slide into Sundays slot, now you have Jesus rising on the third day. Friday gone = 1st day, Saturday = second day, and Monday as Sunday = the third day.

God works in mysteries ways and uses the foolishness of the world to confound the wise.

Why Constantine? That's one of those things that seem to confound the wise.

Blessings, AJ

dianaiad said:

....and who are you...or any of us....to tell others that we are the ones who are in charge of what God consecrates?

Personally, I rather doubt that God gives a good hoot WHAT day of the week becomes the 'day of rest,' as long as there is one.

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I am no one in the world of flesh. Spirits don't see time or days. God is spirit. To become a son of God (John 1) you become of the Spirit. Sabbaths are everyday to a follower of Christ. Rest has nothing to do with it.

Orthodoxy dictates certain days of importance.

pcarl said:

In the primitive Church a favorite name for Sunday was 'the eighth day'. The name is linked with the enumeration of the weekdays customary among the Jews, Sunday in Jewish reckoning was the first day. The Christians adopted the Jewish enumeration for the remaining days but wanted to avoid the notion that the week closed with the Sabbath, hence that the Sabbath is the climax of the week. It is on Sunday that God continued the work bringing it to a close. If the original count is continued Sunday becomes the eighth day.

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The “eighth day” in Jewish law (Leviticus 23:36) is the day following the 7 days of the feast of unleavened bread. It symbolizes the burning of an offering, and referred to as the “Last Great Day”. Holy Day Calendar Much like the day after the millennium, when anyone not written in the Book of Life, are thrown into a lake of fire. The feast days, such as the “Last Great Day” are like a train schedule, they list the train destination, and the time of arrival and departure. Following the "day of the LORD" the nations will keep the "feast of unleavened bread" (Zechariah 14:16). On the 8th day, following the millennium, the 7th day of the feast, they will experience the 8th day.

2ndpillar said:

So says your average Mormon.

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It's not just Mormons.
Lots of people think that.
Follow Jesus= Christian. Follow the Bible or Paul or whatever, not so much.
Tom

look3467 said:

Now, if one day, (Friday) the day Jesus died on the cross is taken out of time, than there is your break in time.
Break in time meaning the end of one and the beginning of another. Old ends New begins.

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The Passover is the 14th day of the 1st month. That was on a 4th day/ Wednesday with regards to the story line. 3 day and 3 nights later, would bring you to the evening of the 7th day/Saturday, the Sabbath. The 15th day of the month, the 5th day of the week, would be a high holy Sabbath, the 1st day of the feast of Unleavened Bread".

John 20:1 “Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone already taken away from the tomb.

The 1st day of the week begins on the evening of the previous day, which would be the 7th day of the week. Mary cannot labor on the 7th day, but on the evening on of the 7th day, when it is dark, she can. At that time, the tomb was empty. The sign given by Yeshua was the sign Jonah, 3 days and 3 nights, not 2 nights and 1 day.

As for the new covenant given to the “house of Israel”/Ephraim and the “house of Judah” per Jeremiah 31:33, that occurs after 2 days, on the 3rd day (Hosea 5:2), that is with regards to the ending of them being “crushed in judgment” (Hosea 5:11), when the stick of Judah and the stick of Israel will be combined into one (Ez 37:19), and will have “My servant David be king over them” (Ez 37:24), and “I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you” (Ez 36:26). The “many days” of the “adulteress” , the followers of Peter and Paul, of Hosea 3, who were bought for the equivalence of 30 shekels of silver, is coming to an end. At that time the “the sons of Israel will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king” (Hosea 3:5), in the “last days”.

columbus said:

It's not just Mormons.
Lots of people think that.
Follow Jesus= Christian. Follow the Bible or Paul or whatever, not so much.
Tom

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I don’t think you want to associate with the “many”(Matthew 7:13). It is bad enough you are associated with Glenn Beck & Mitt Romney. Talk about the deep state, under cover of being angels of light. It is a wonder Beck hasn’t gone bankrupt after his tom folleries. I suggest that you look closer to the “Word”, and less to the “tare seed” which is planted in the same field as the “good seed” (Matthew 13:25). Paul’s blather would represent the leaven, the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. If you doubt me, read Romans 7:25 as a prime example of hypocrisy. It would also represent the tare seed, which produce no fruit, or are they required to do so. All of which is contrary to the testimony of Yeshua. If the tree does not produce good fruit, it will be cut down and thrown into the fire (Matthew 3:10). Any associated with the “daughter of Babylon” will also “receive of her plagues” if they do not “come out of her” (Revelation 18:4).

Follow Paul=Christian Paul's false gospel of grace is "be released from the Law" (Romans 7:6) and "surely you shall not die", but be raptured. Wait, isn't that the gospel of the serpent, break God's law and you "surely shall not die" (Genesis 3:4). Wait, now you have me confused.

Yeshua was not a “Christian”, nor did he preach the false gospel of grace, but to “repent; for the kingdom of heaven is at hand”.

look3467 said:

God works in mysteries ways and uses the foolishness of the world to confound the wise. Why Constantine? That's one of those things that seem to confound the wise.

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As we are "at the end of the age", and at the "end time", the only ones without "understanding" are the "wicked" (Daniel 12:10). You will find Constantine book marked under Daniel 7:24-27, listed as "another".

Augustus said:

Are you saying because the names sound similar in English they are the same thing?

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Inanna - Wikipedia
Inanna - Wikipedia

Astarte. Babylonian equivalent. Ishtar. Inanna (/ɪˈnɑːnə/; Sumerian: inanna) was the ancient Sumerian goddess of love, beauty, sex, desire, fertility, war, combat, justice, and political power.

Inanna and Ishtar were originally separate, unrelated deities,[9][10][2][11][12] but they were equated with each other during the reign of Sargon of Akkad and came to be regarded as effectively the same goddess under two different names.[9][10][2][11][12] Inanna's name may derive from the Sumerian phrase nin-an-ak, meaning "Lady of Heaven",[13][14] but the cuneiform sign for Inanna () is not a ligature of the signs lady (Sumerian: nin; Cuneiform: SAL.TUG2) and sky (Sumerian: an; Cuneiform: AN).[14][13][15] These difficulties led some early Assyriologists to suggest that Inanna may have originally been a Proto-Euphratean goddess, possibly related to the Hurrian mother goddess

Associated with the queen of heaven/mother goddess/lady of heaven, much as the Pope using ex cathedra, in saying Mary went to heaven, and apparently is also a queen of heaven. Pagans seem to need three gods, and one as a women.

Phantasman said:

I am no one in the world of flesh. Spirits don't see time or days. God is spirit. To become a son of God (John 1) you become of the Spirit. Sabbaths are everyday to a follower of Christ. Rest has nothing to do with it.

Orthodoxy dictates certain days of importance.

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Well, we do seem to live in Samuel Johnson's world, and the one to which God was supposed to have given us that commandment that there be one day of rest out of seven. (shrug)

dianaiad said:

Well, we do seem to live in Samuel Johnson's world, and the one to which God was supposed to have given us that commandment that there be one day of rest out of seven. (shrug)

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Pre Christ. I'm not concerned with what was before Christ, but what he taught through the Spirit. The OT has some nice stories. But truth came by Christ. And he seems to have not rested on Jewish Sabbaths,

Phantasman said:

Pre Christ. I'm not concerned with what was before Christ, but what he taught through the Spirit. The OT has some nice stories. But truth came by Christ. And he seems to have not rested on Jewish Sabbaths,

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Actually, He did. He just didn't get all OCD about it. He IS the One Who said that the sabbath was made for man, and that man was not made for the Sabbath.

look3467 said:

There had to be a break in time in order for God to recreate a new heaven and a new earth.
Break in time verse:
Job_3:6 As for that night, let darkness seize upon it; let it not be joined unto the days of the year, let it not come into the number of the months.
Job_3:4 Let that day be darkness; let not God regard it from above, neither let the light shine upon it.

Yes, it is in the story of Job but it is a picture of Jesus.

Now, if one day, (Friday) the day Jesus died on the cross is taken out of time, than there is your break in time.
Break in time meaning the end of one and the beginning of another. Old ends New begins.

If Friday is taken out, Saturday slides in its place, that makes Sunday in 7th place. Not only do you have Sunday =being the first day of a new week but also a new beginning of a new week as the 8th day.

Oh, if Jesus resurrected on the third day, the first day of the week, that would make Monday, the 8th day slide into Sundays slot, now you have Jesus rising on the third day. Friday gone = 1st day, Saturday = second day, and Monday as Sunday = the third day.

God works in mysteries ways and uses the foolishness of the world to confound the wise.

Why Constantine? That's one of those things that seem to confound the wise.

Blessings, AJ

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The Spirit (of God) is not driven by the stars or sun (rising/setting). Astrology is a false religion of a decaying universe (flesh). The Spirit isn't under such ruling, IMO.

The Ragin Pagan said:

They were Christians,........

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Just claiming to be Christian does Not make one a Christian.
I find Jesus informs us at Matthew 7:21-23 that MANY would come ' in his name ' but prove false.