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Hate your life!

Spiderman

Veteran Member
John 12:25
Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternity.

That Scripture makes me feel like I'm doing something right :p

It's an intriguing verse. It undoubtedly inspires people to hate their lives.
Any thoughts?
 

Aiviu

Active Member
First i thought its like when i am bound to life on earth for eternity i am forever in decay. Living with the dead bodies. But when you die from life (earth) you lose it and will be 'free'

But on the other hands my idea and the original script sounds both pretty 'uncool'.
 

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
Staff member
Premium Member
A Christian can correct me if I'm wrong, but I see this as meant to be interpreted as, "Don't become complacent in the now (in temporal existence), but strive for eternal salvation."

But like many things in scripture, taken literally, it can be taken in a completely different direction.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
John 12:25
Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternity.

That Scripture makes me feel like I'm doing something right :p

It's an intriguing verse. It undoubtedly inspires people to hate their lives.
Any thoughts?

A Christian can correct me if I'm wrong, but I see this as meant to be interpreted as, "Don't become complacent in the now (in temporal existence), but strive for eternal salvation."

But like many things in scripture, taken literally, it can be taken in a completely different direction.

@SalixIncendium Is more or less correct in his interpretation.

It's a warning to not be obsessed with money, objects, or other pleasures of the flesh. Because when you die you lose all these things anyways.
 

Tmac

Active Member
John 12:25
Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternity.

That Scripture makes me feel like I'm doing something right :p

It's an intriguing verse. It undoubtedly inspires people to hate their lives.
Any thoughts?

Have you ever thoroughly enjoyed doing something and then realized that for a moment there, all your troubles were gone, that's what loving your life is, life is for living, most of us are afraid to live because we don't trust ourselves, never really getting to know ourselves. To be real, I don't think real life begins till we know the full consequences of our actions. And I don't think hate exists, its just one of those words we made up to be the opposite of what we think love is.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
John 12:25
Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternity.

That Scripture makes me feel like I'm doing something right :p

It's an intriguing verse. It undoubtedly inspires people to hate their lives.
Any thoughts?
It should inspire people to realize how fleeting this mortal world is compared to eternal life. I think it means we must die to this world. If you are living according to this scripture you are indeed doing something right. Sadly, I do not think this scripture inspires very many people, since most people live for the material world and all it has to offer. They seem to think they can worship this life and also gain eternal life, but not according to Jesus.

John 12:24-26 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.”

Please note how similar these verses in John are to these verses in Matthew. Both are referring to life in this material world life vs. eternal life.

Matthew 16:24-26 “Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?”

What is in the New Testament is very similar to what my religion teaches:

“The Most Great Name beareth Me witness! How sad if any man were, in this Day, to rest his heart on the transitory things of this world! Arise, and cling firmly to the Cause of God. Be most loving one to another. Burn away, wholly for the sake of the Well-Beloved, the veil of self with the flame of the undying Fire, and with faces joyous and beaming with light, associate with your neighbor.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 316
 
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Trailblazer

Veteran Member
@SalixIncendium Is more or less correct in his interpretation.

It's a warning to not be obsessed with money, objects, or other pleasures of the flesh. Because when you die you lose all these things anyways.
I agree that is what it means. However, I do not think many people take it seriously. If they did, this world would be wholly different than it is. People would live for God and not for self. The world would be a paradise.
 
This passage is found in 3 Gospels Mat Mark Luke. They all say the same thing. If you start with Math 16:24 and read through to the 26th verse you get the complete context of the passages. So starting with the 24th verse Jesus says if any man will come after me let him first take up his cross and deny himself and follow me.

These are figures of speech and metaphors . Just like eat my flesh,drink my blood or dont cast your pearls before swine or a land that flows with milk and honey and many more like these.

The cross represents death to sin. Rom 6:6 our old man is crucified with him that the body of sin might be destroyed that we from here on out should not serve sin. The deny yourself is to refuse, resist and cast down imaginations and every high thing that exalts itself above the knowledge of God and bring into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ. 2 Cor 10:5

What are we too deny. Gal 5:19 the lusts of the flesh. Why . Because they reside outside of God's ways. Heb 3:10 Outside of God's Laws. You see God is the maker and he is the lawgiver Isa 33:22. We are the clay he is the potter Isa 64:8

Now Math 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.The context in Math 16:24 is the way one lives their live. example,Murder,adultery,thief a whore monger an Idolater or lier ect, of which Jesus and Paul taught to deny to crucify Rom 6:6 those behaviors that are outside of God's laws.

So when Math 16:25 says For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: The people who save their lives are those that preserve their behavior ,the way they live. They never change .They remain the same.They refuse to abide by Gods laws. So they save /preserve their way of Life. And as a result when death finally overcomes them they suffer the punishment of eternal death. Lose their life Never to live again. .Let me show you those who chose to save their lives. But in the end lost it.Rev 21:8

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rev 22:15

For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.


You see these people preserved their way of Life/ Saved it.They never changed,They remained the same And in the end were punished with eternal death. Lost their Mortal lives


Now whosoever will lose/Hate his life for my sake shall find it. Lose/hate your life is the denying part of Math 16:24 Hate means to look upon in a repulsive way. Read Eze 36:31 Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall loathe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations. The word loath is the same as hate. And the context is hating ones own behavior.
You see those people that follow Jesus are those that follow his teachings and in these passages Jesus taught to deny yourself of sin or behavior that is outside of God's laws of which I listed a few above. When people begin to deny Murder in the heart, adultery in the heart.Lying,stealing, coveting,Idolatry and envy they lose/ forsake their former way of behaviors.Rom 6:17-18 Thus they lose their behavior which is their way of living. But in the end gain eternal Life. Which is the reward the inheritance for living according to Gods ways his laws.They lose their life. It's a figure of speech. that means stop disobeying Gods Laws.


This is why Jesus said Math 7:13-14

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction Eternal death,That's those who preserved their way of living Gal 5:19 the works of the flesh the broad way Rev 21:8 Rev 23:15 and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, Thats those who lose/hate their life or deny their former way of living and change,Rom 6:17-18 living according to Gods way, his laws which leads unto life, Eternal Life and few there be that find it. Because Gods the maker .He sets the rules

Isa 33:22 And there is no one who can Stay his hand or say what are you doing.Dan 4:35


So that's the real answer to this passage
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
John 12:25
Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternity.

That Scripture makes me feel like I'm doing something right :p

It's an intriguing verse. It undoubtedly inspires people to hate their lives.
Any thoughts?
I wouldn't want to live that way. It takes a pretty sorry person to write something like that. It's author doesn't sound like a very happy person.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
John 12:25
Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternity.

That Scripture makes me feel like I'm doing something right :p

It's an intriguing verse. It undoubtedly inspires people to hate their lives.
Any thoughts?


A better translation is “he who hates his soul”. The soul is the “dust from the ground” (Genesis 2:7). It is referring to the flesh. It is kind of like people wanting to hold on to their flesh and by being “raptured”. “Everyone will die for his own iniquity” (Jeremiah 31;30), people need to get with the program. Believing what is not true in order to save their soul, will wind up with them losing that soul in the end. While everyone dies, not everyone shall keep their soul in the end. (John 12:25)


New American Standard Bible John 12:25
"He who loves his life loses it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it to life eternal.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
A better translation is “he who hates his soul”. The soul is the “dust from the ground” (Genesis 2:7). It is referring to the flesh. It is kind of like people wanting to hold on to their flesh and by being “raptured”. “Everyone will die for his own iniquity” (Jeremiah 31;30), people need to get with the program. Believing what is not true in order to save their soul, will wind up with them losing that soul in the end. While everyone dies, not everyone shall keep their soul in the end. (John 12:25)

New American Standard Bible John 12:25
"He who loves his life loses it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it to life eternal.
Matthew 16:23-26 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

In context, the way I interpret those verses is that Jesus was telling the disciples to deny their selfish desires, things they want that are not of God, and to follow Him. For whoever will live for self shall lose his life, but whoever will sacrifice his life for the sake of Jesus and God shall gain eternal life. It is the soul that gets eternal life, not the body.

So if we live for self and the worldly things we gain the world but we lose our soul in the sense that we lose eternal life.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Matthew 16:23-26 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

In context, the way I interpret those verses is that Jesus was telling the disciples to deny their selfish desires, things they want that are not of God, and to follow Him. For whoever will live for self shall lose his life, but whoever will sacrifice his life for the sake of Jesus and God shall gain eternal life. It is the soul that gets eternal life, not the body.

So if we live for self and the worldly things we gain the world but we lose our soul in the sense that we lose eternal life.


The “little ones” of Matthew 10:42 are those who have turned away from, and have become enemies” with their own household, and therefore bear their own cross. They have turned away from the traditions of the fathers (Jeremiah 16:19), because those traditions are “nothing but falsehoods”, and have become estranged with their family and their established religious traditions. As for following Yeshua, he said to become “complete” /"perfect" ,one must sell their possessions and follow Me (Matthew 19:21), a cross which most would not be willing to contemplate, much less bear. And that would only be the start of that road.

Matthew 10:35“ For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW; 36and A MAN’S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD. 37“He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38“And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39“He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
The “little ones” of Matthew 10:42 are those who have turned away from, and have become enemies” with their own household, and therefore bear their own cross. They have turned away from the traditions of the fathers (Jeremiah 16:19), because those traditions are “nothing but falsehoods”, and have become estranged with their family and their established religious traditions. As for following Yeshua, he said to become “complete” /"perfect" ,one must sell their possessions and follow Me (Matthew 19:21), a cross which most would not be willing to contemplate, much less bear. And that would only be the start of that road.

Matthew 10:35“ For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW; 36and A MAN’S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD. 37“He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38“And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39“He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.
Thanks, I was never a Christian so I do not know the Bible very well. I just have a few favorite verses. It seems to me that Jesus was saying that His Cause was more important even than family. His was indeed a very important Cause. :)
 
John 12:25
Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternity.

That Scripture makes me feel like I'm doing something right :p

It's an intriguing verse. It undoubtedly inspires people to hate their lives.
Any thoughts?

When I was more or less fanatical Christian I loved this verse because it told me to hate the fleshy life of present and seek the eternal life in heaven. Now I just hate both.
 
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