sex and abrahamic religions

pandamonk said:

Like i stated in an earlier post, HIV, aids, can be caught through sharing needles. Sometiems in poorer countries it is not possible not to share a needle so people are infected by aids. If it can happen with aids I'm sure it can happen with a lot of other things too.
EDIT: Not just through sharing needles. Any of an infecteds blood, that gets into another person can pass it on much more efficiently, and probably quickly, than through sexual activity. This is probably how Aids passed from chimps(i think)to humans.

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Call me crazy but sometimes i think uncurable deseases like HIV is a punishment from god to give us 1 more reason not to commit adultury or fornification:

Sad thing is not every1 just obeys god and doesnt have unlawful sex so he has to put a physical reason not to do it: HIV, AIDS

Did you notice that HIV only appeared when everyone seemed to start using sex unlawfully? it was'nt here back in the old days when most of the people would wait for mairage....

Peace4all said:

Call me crazy but sometimes i think uncurable deseases like HIV is a punishment from god to give us 1 more reason not to commit adultury or fornification:

Sad thing is not every1 just obeys god and doesnt have unlawful sex so he has to put a physical reason not to do it: HIV, AIDS

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How clever of God to find a way to punish fornicators and hemophiliacs without harming his chosen people, the lesbians.

Peace4all said:

Did you notice that HIV only appeared when everyone seemed to start using sex unlawfully? it was'nt here back in the old days when most of the people would wait for mairage....

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Yes, yes, I did. Right up through the 1960s and 1970s, premarital sex was virtually unheard of.

Peace4all said:

Call me crazy but sometimes i think uncurable deseases like HIV is a punishment from god to give us 1 more reason not to commit adultury or fornification:

Sad thing is not every1 just obeys god and doesnt have unlawful sex so he has to put a physical reason not to do it: HIV, AIDS

Did you notice that HIV only appeared when everyone seemed to start using sex unlawfully? it was'nt here back in the old days when most of the people would wait for mairage....

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Thanks for just ignoring my post. So are you saying there was no unlawful sex back in the "old days"? Hahahaha! HIV was around a long time before this but in the animal population. The only way it could have passed to humans is through beatiality, or blood. I'm suspecting that it is more likely to be through blood. You assume that HIV is only passed through sex, but as i stated, if you actually paid attention, is that it is also passed through blood. Maybe by sharing a needle, or some other way, such as blood being swallowed, inhaled, splattered in the eye, and so on.

Sad thing is, one does not need to have participated in any sexual activity to catch HIV/Aids. So God, if this was his intention, has allowed even those who strictly follow his rules to catch these horrible diseases. What a horrible thing to do...

Peace4all said:

Call me crazy

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Okay, Crazy.

Peace4all said:

but sometimes i think uncurable deseases like HIV is a punishment from god to give us 1 more reason not to commit adultury or fornification:

Sad thing is not every1 just obeys god and doesnt have unlawful sex so he has to put a physical reason not to do it: HIV, AIDS

Did you notice that HIV only appeared when everyone seemed to start using sex unlawfully? it was'nt here back in the old days when most of the people would wait for mairage....

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:slap:

pandamonk said:

Thanks for just ignoring my post. So are you saying there was no unlawful sex back in the "old days"? Hahahaha! HIV was around a long time before this but in the animal population. The only way it could have passed to humans is through beatiality, or blood. I'm suspecting that it is more likely to be through blood. You assume that HIV is only passed through sex, but as i stated, if you actually paid attention, is that it is also passed through blood. Maybe by sharing a needle, or some other way, such as blood being swallowed, inhaled, splattered in the eye, and so on.

Sad thing is, one does not need to have participated in any sexual activity to catch HIV/Aids. So God, if this was his intention, has allowed even those who strictly follow his rules to catch these horrible diseases. What a horrible thing to do...

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It was heard of but not to the extent known today. I read your posts and i know HIV can be passed some other way. Just FYI you cant get hiv from swalling blood. its not that contagioius. The only way something similar like that can happen is if a Mcdonald person was chopping up tomato and ALOT of blood splatterd on the tomato and when you were eating the tomato you happend to have a cut in your mouth. The chances of that happening is . 000000000000000000000001. Other than sexual activity HIV can be spread through shared needles like you said. LIke 95 percent of the time when you get HIV through needese its because your using the needles to inject drugs and one of your buddies turns out to have HIV because he is a party animal.

SEE, SEE, God has it all planed out ... Trust me just obey his rules and you wont have to worry.

Peace4all said:

It was heard of but not to the extent known today. I read your posts and i know HIV can be passed some other way. Just FYI you cant get hiv from swalling blood. its not that contagioius. The only way something similar like that can happen is if a Mcdonald person was chopping up tomato and ALOT of blood splatterd on the tomato and when you were eating the tomato you happend to have a cut in your mouth. The chances of that happening is . 000000000000000000000001. Other than sexual activity HIV can be spread through shared needles like you said. LIke 95 percent of the time when you get HIV through needese its because your using the needles to inject drugs and one of your buddies turns out to have HIV because he is a party animal.

SEE, SEE, God has it all planed out ... Trust me just obey his rules and you wont have to worry.

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I doubt that the chances are 000000000000000000000001, say you have a mouth ulcer, which in one whole day in mcdonalds for example, I'm sure many many people have. And I'm sure many Mcdo, or any restaurant, staff cuts themselves a lot when preparing meals. All it needs is for one of the people with an ulcer or cut in their mouth to eat food prepared by that person. The person preparing the food, may be unaware that they have HIV(early stages). Even if the possibility is really small, which i doubt, it is still possible. Also, the sharing of needles, yes a lot of the time it is because the people sharing have a drug addiction, but in cases in poorer countries it happens because of lack of funding etc. Would you really say that God would allow these people to catch, and possibly spread, this awful disease because of where they live, or because of a mistake made at a restaurant they choose to eat?

If this is your God then i really want nothing at all to do with him!!! :areyoucra

Sorry for the late reply. RF is a huge forum dude and i used to participate in many forums and threads but the time doesn't help me most of the time.

pandamonk said:

captives? :areyoucra

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Somthing wrong?

why it is sinful.

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Why do you think God will make somthing a sin if it wasn't bad for us to do so??? you think he is making it up according to his joy or just picking up things without any reason? (God forbid)

pandamonk said:

I doubt that the chances are 000000000000000000000001, say you have a mouth ulcer, which in one whole day in mcdonalds for example, I'm sure many many people have. And I'm sure many Mcdo, or any restaurant, staff cuts themselves a lot when preparing meals. All it needs is for one of the people with an ulcer or cut in their mouth to eat food prepared by that person. The person preparing the food, may be unaware that they have HIV(early stages). Even if the possibility is really small, which i doubt, it is still possible. Also, the sharing of needles, yes a lot of the time it is because the people sharing have a drug addiction, but in cases in poorer countries it happens because of lack of funding etc. Would you really say that God would allow these people to catch, and possibly spread, this awful disease because of where they live, or because of a mistake made at a restaurant they choose to eat?

If this is your God then i really want nothing at all to do with him!!! :areyoucra

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Even Muslims have the HIV. So do we say as Muslims that it's a punishment for sure, NO. What if a child got it from his parents, is it his/her mistake? the answer again is NO.

There is a wisdom in everything in this life and we can't say that sex is a sin just because of HIV because there was no HIV in the past and it was still a sin for many other reasons.

You can read in here about (The Islamic perspective of sex):
http://www.islamonline.com/cgi-bin/news_service/spot_full_story.asp?service_id=679

About one million or more teenage girls become pregnant every year, 80% of them are unmarried. Out of this I million, about 500,000 decide to keep their baby, and 450,000 are aborted (or ? murdered), 100,000 decide to deliver and give the baby for adoption. In 1950 the incidence of birth from unmarried teenagers was only 13.98%, but in 1985 it increased to 59%. It is a myth that teenage pregnancy is a problem of black and poor. To the contrary 2 out of 3 teens getting pregnant now are white, suburban and above the poverty income level. The pregnancy rate (without marriage) in 54,000 listed Navy women is 40% compared to 17% to general population. What is the life of those who have teenage pregnancy? Only 50% complete high school, more than 50% of them are on welfare. They themselves become child abusers, and their children when grown up have 82% incidence of teenage pregnancy. 8.6 billion dollars are spent every year for the financial support and health care of teenage mothers.

The sexual revolution of 60's has affected another dimension of health care. In 1985 alone , 10 million cases of chlamydia, 2 million gonorrhea, 1 million venereal warts, 0.5 million genital herpes and 90,000 syphilis cases were diagnosed." The plague of AIDS" is adding a new twist to our fears. About 52,000 cases have been diagnosed in the USA alone and 50% of them have already died. The disease is growing at a rate of one case every 14 minutes," and so far there is no good treatment. Father Bruce Ritter of New York, who operates shelters for runaway children, says the biggest threat to the Nation's 1 million runaway is the threat of AIDS now.

Therefore, as you can see, AIDS is not the only reason but it will spread it definitely so fast much more than any other way around.

Peace and blessing,

The Truth

me said:

captives?

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The Truth said:

Somthing wrong?

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Well you said that islamic law states that a man can only have sex with his wive and his captives... or something along those lines...

So does this mean if i go and kidnap someone, and have sex with them, it's ok?

Or does it mean a man can have sex with his slaves?

I do not see why either of these are better than having sex with someone you love, before you marry.

I doubt that the chances are 000000000000000000000001, say you have a mouth ulcer, which in one whole day in mcdonalds for example, I'm sure many many people have. And I'm sure many Mcdo, or any restaurant, staff cuts themselves a lot when preparing meals. All it needs is for one of the people with an ulcer or cut in their mouth to eat food prepared by that person. The person preparing the food, may be unaware that they have HIV(early stages).

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HIV is very fragile. It doesn't survive major PH changes, nor drying, nor any of a dozen other things. It would be nigh-on impossible to trnmit via food handling.

JerryL said:

HIV is very fragile. It doesn't survive major PH changes, nor drying, nor any of a dozen other things. It would be nigh-on impossible to trnmit via food handling.

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Maybe that's a way to cure it then...

pandamonk said:

I doubt that the chances are 000000000000000000000001, say you have a mouth ulcer, which in one whole day in mcdonalds for example, I'm sure many many people have. And I'm sure many Mcdo, or any restaurant, staff cuts themselves a lot when preparing meals. All it needs is for one of the people with an ulcer or cut in their mouth to eat food prepared by that person. The person preparing the food, may be unaware that they have HIV(early stages). Even if the possibility is really small, which i doubt, it is still possible. Also, the sharing of needles, yes a lot of the time it is because the people sharing have a drug addiction, but in cases in poorer countries it happens because of lack of funding etc. Would you really say that God would allow these people to catch, and possibly spread, this awful disease because of where they live, or because of a mistake made at a restaurant they choose to eat?

If this is your God then i really want nothing at all to do with him!!! :areyoucra

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ok so mabey i was exagurating man but it's very unlikely. Did you realize that in poorer countries HIV almost does not exist, except in the non muslim part of south Africa they are just sex animals... HIV really only exists in Europe, America, and other countries that are trying to make themselvs "western" by havin pre-maritual sex

Peace4all said:

ok so mabey i was exagurating man but it's very unlikely. Did you realize that in poorer countries HIV almost does not exist, except in the non muslim part of south Africa they are just sex animals... HIV really only exists in Europe, America, and other countries that are trying to make themselvs "western" by havin pre-maritual sex

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You may wish to read this article. It could be quite enlightening, especially the part about why southern Africa is so hard hit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_pandemic

Peace4all said:

ok so mabey i was exagurating man but it's very unlikely. Did you realize that in poorer countries HIV almost does not exist, except in the non muslim part of south Africa they are just sex animals... HIV really only exists in Europe, America, and other countries that are trying to make themselvs "western" by havin pre-maritual sex

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Are you using Donald Duck math??? I think there has been a lot of evidence to show the increase of HIV ALL OVER AFRICA.

Wikipedia:

Global campaign

In the effort to fight against the AIDS pandemic, the United Nations Children's Fund(Unicef), UNAIDS and other partners launch a global campaign, known as Unite for Children, Unite Against Aids, to spur action for the millions of children affected by HIV/AIDS. Officials estimate that fewer than 5 percent of HIV-positive children are receiving treatment. [2] It is now believed that the aids pandemic in Africa resulted mostly due to contaminated needles in health care. Over 50% of reported cases can be attributed to this fact.

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AIDS pandemic

Across Sub-Saharan Africa, more women are infected with HIV than men, with 13 women living with HIV for every 10 infected men and the gap continues to grow. Throughout the region, women are being infected with HIV at earlier ages than men. The differences in infection levels between women and men are most pronounced among young people (aged 15–24 years). In this age group, there are 36 women living with HIV for every 10 men. The widespread prevalence of sexually transmitted diseases, the practice of scarification, transfusion, and the poor state of hygiene and nutrition in Africa may all be facilitating factors in the transmission of HIV-1 in this region (Bentwich et al., 1995). In 2000, the World Health Organization estimated that 25% of the units of blood transfused in Africa were not tested for HIV, and that 5–10% of HIV infections in Africa were transmitted via blood [4].

Poor economic conditions (leading to the use of dirty needles in healthcare clinics) and lack of sex education contribute to high rates of infection. In some African countries, 25% or more of the working adult population is HIV-positive; in Botswana the figure was 35.8% (1999 estimate World Press Review), the highest reported infection rate in the world.

In South Africa, President Thabo Mbeki has questioned in the past the connection between HIV and AIDS - instead hinting at the possibility of factors such as undernourishment being one of the causes of the disease. While South Africa has created preventative programs and research initiatives to address its HIV problem[5], critics charge that the South African government has been slow to create antiretroviral programs and take other effective medical steps to stop the epidemic[6]. UNAIDS estimates that in 2005 there were 5.5 million people in South Africa living with HIV — 12.4% of the population. This was an increase of 200,000 people since 2003[7].

Although HIV infection rates are much lower in Nigeria than in other African countries, the size of Nigeria's population meant that by the end of 2003, there were an estimated 3.6 million people living with HIV[8]. On the other hand, Uganda, Zambia, Senegal, and most recently Botswana have begun intervention and educational measures to slow the spread of HIV, and Uganda has succeeded in actually reducing its HIV infection rate[9]

nutshell said:

Are you using Donald Duck math??? I think there has been a lot of evidence to show the increase of HIV ALL OVER AFRICA.

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Alrite... Alrite

I can admit im wrong if im wrong and good job guys you proved me wrong:clap

Peace4all said:

Alrite... Alrite

I can admit im wrong if im wrong and good job guys you proved me wrong:clap

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Well, one of the purposes of RF is education, after all.

pandamonk said:

Maybe that's a way to cure it then...

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HIV exists *inside* living cells. The things that kill HIV also kill the host.

More transmittable virui survive because they are *more* tolerant than the host to adverse conditions.

Katzpur said:

Perhaps God created it for some purpose other than for us to entertaining ourselves. The fact that He gave us a sex drive doesn't mean that He expected us to use it indescriminately.

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I'm sorry but I disagree. While there are certainly some limits surrounding the act of sex (rape; deceipt) I believe that it is fine with God if we are quite free with our love.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who didn't find sex to be one of the most pleasurable things a human can experience. So, how could God give us something so desirable and then put restrictions on it? It's like a parent giving a child a wonderful toy and then telling the child they can't play with it. That type of thing borders on mental abuse. I don't think God is in the business of f***ing with people's minds.