And your point is? And how does my showing that the Roman established pagan based religion is antithetical to the message of Yeshua ruffle your feathers?
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What is the "Big Lie"? What is the consequence of believing in it?
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And your point is? And how does my showing that the Roman established pagan based religion is antithetical to the message of Yeshua ruffle your feathers?
kjw47
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The problem is--2 billion of my human brothers and sisters are being mislead into breaking Gods #1 commandment daily- By serving a non existent trinity--I point out to them that Jesus warned them they wouldn't know the one who sent him-John 15:20-21) on account of his name( think they are standing for him)
I see their life everlasting in Gods kingdom house is on fire at 5:30 am and they are sleeping. I don't just walk by I wake them. Jesus started the work-Luke 10-Acts 20:20) it doesn't stop until the end.
They are being misled/deceived by the “beast with two horns like a lamb”, (Revelation 13:11) Constantine, in whose Council of Nicaea brought about your Trinity dogma. And there is an existing trinity, and it comes from the gods of Constantine, and ultimately the gods of Babylon. Constantine’s god was Sol Invictus, one of the triad, and the sun god. Other sun gods were Bel, Apollo, Mithra, etc. I am well aware of the gods which the “Christian” church follows, and the sign they worship, and it all comes from Sol Invitus, the “dragon” who gave his authority to the beast/Caesar (Revelation 13:3-5), who past his authority on down the line to Constantine, the 7th head of the beast.
I don’t see how all this should rattle your feathers concerning me. It doesn’t help if you run down the hall calling fire, if you left your head on your pillow. As for Acts 20:20, Paul is one of the horns like a lamb of the beast. You are running with the crowd, the "many" of Matthew 7:13. The "beast" built a basilica for both Peter and Paul. That should give you an indication of their worth. (Zechariah 11:17)
kjw47
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I would never serve a non existent God such as the trinity. YHWH(Jehovah) the Father is the only true God. John 17:3, 1Cor 8:6)
The Greek' were refusing to go to a religion that had a single God--thus the councils were held. No trinity taught at the first council, it was added later--a false teaching--thus a mistranslated capitol G God in the last line of John 1:1. They brought in statues, icons, graven images into their churches and homes, added the cross as well and pagan practices off the table of demons into both Easter and Christmas. I believe Jesus would never accept anything that wasn't holy.
Both Peter and Paul did well. Both are members of the little flock=144,000 Rev 14:3-Luke 12:32) You speak against Jesus anointed teachers-- a serious mistake- Luke10:16)
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This is the "end of the age" (Matthew 13:40). Now is the time of the harvest (Matthew 13:30), whereas the "tares" are no longer protected against being gathered up and thrown into the fire (Matthew 13:29). Paul's message, the message of lawlessness (Romans 7:6), would put him at the top of the list of being "gathered out" (Matthew 13:41), as he was among those who taught lawlessness, and Peter, would be numbered among the "stumbling blocks" of (Matthew 13:41), by way of Matthew 16:23, whereas Yeshua called Peter, "Satan" and a "stumbling block". As you are among those who "dwell on the earth", you are also among those "deceived" (Revelation 13:14). Constantine is the beast with two horns like a lamb, and those two horns are Peter and Paul (Zechariah 11:10 &16-17). As for the 144,000, they were marked so as to bypass the sting of the locust (Revelation 7:2-3 & 9:4) Peter and Paul are dead and buried, and the locust have not arrived as of this date. Plus, Peter had a family, and apparently was not without a lie on his tongue (Revelation 14:5), nor a celibate (Rev 14:4). Keep trying. No one "anointed" Paul, nor Peter. They were chosen to fulfill the Scriptures. Peter because he was full of himself, and Paul, because of his aggressive behavior due to justifiable lack of fitting in (an outsider without a gun). Judas was also chosen because of his greed (Zechariah 11:12-13) & (Matthew 27:9-10).
kjw47
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Constantine was not the beast with two horns. A horn is a kingdom--a 2 horned beast = 2 kingdoms working together. In Daniel, God gave each world power a mark of a beast. 4 of them at that point--then the roman empire--the british empire-- the two horned beast. The 7 headed beast with 10 horns is an eighth king in itself. 10 horns a place where kingdoms gather. This has been occurring for quite a few years now. All can see it.
Apparently not “all can see it”. You for one seem to forget that the 7th head of the beast was portrayed as “another” referring to another king, following the “ten kings” of “this kingdom”(Daniel 7:24), being the Roman kingdom. For the Roman Republic was the 4th head, over thrown by Julius Caesar, who usurped the power of the republic and became emperor, and was known as the “beast” of Revelation 13:3, who was slain by Brutus, and was “healed”, and became the 6th head of the beast with 10 horns, the Augustus Caesars, who were the “kings” of Daniel 7:24, who ruled between the destruction of Jerusalem by Pompey, and Titus. Constantine simply assumed the god head of Caesar, given to him by the Roman Senate, and the position of Pontifex Maximus which was taken from the high priests by Julius Caesar. The 4 horns of the Greek empire (Daniel 8:8) were the 4 generals of Alexander, who became kings of his divided empire. As for the 8th head of the beast, one that was, and is not, is Julius Caesar, the dictator, who lives via his “demon spirit” per Revelation 16:13-19. If you should ever read Daniel 2, you will find that the British Empire is not one of the kingdoms to be destroyed all at the same time (Daniel 2:35 & 44). You only have the Babylonians, the Persians, the Greeks, and the Romans, and then the clay mixed with the iron, which was destroyed per Daniel 2:34 in 1967, which would be a combination of the sons of Edom and their allies, the sons of the Czar/Caesar/Russia. It was the British who destroyed the Germans/Kaiser/Caesar and the Turks at a place call Megido in 1917, which allowed for the Zionist to start settling Judea. As for the 10 horns of the 8th beast, they all hate the “harlot”, which would be Judah/Jews, and “burn” her , and make her “desolate” and “naked”, somewhat on par with the actions of Hitler’s Germany. So you see, horns are kings, heads are kingdoms, and horns like a lamb are Christ like leaders. If you still need kingdoms for these leaders, the kingdom of Paul would be the Protestant church based and reigning throughout the world, and the kingdom of Peter, would be the Vatican, headed by Peter’s heir the pope, reigning over large swaths of the world.
kjw47
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No good standing follower of Jesus has a thing to do with a trinity God--that is 100% fact.
The one that was( league of nations) and is not( death stroke--done away with after ww2) and yet is( death stroke got healed)-United nations.
Read Rev 13--all can see it occurring.).
2 horned beast--Excercises all Authority( resolutions) of the 7 headed beast)
Cannot buy or sell unless they receive the mark( sanctions)
Makes fire( destruction) come down out of the heavens( bombs -missiles)
As for Revelation 17:16, with respect to the “harlot”, the “harlot” is Judah, the Jews, and the 10 horns will hate her, burn her with fire, make her desolate, and refers to the likes of Hitler, and not some united nations which didn’t get off the cutting room floor. The “beast with two horns like a lamb” took the authority given to the 4th head of the “beast” Caesar, who had actually been given a “fatal wound”, and took his mantel as a god, and the high priest of the gods, from Julius Caesar. It was the “beast”, the heads of the Roman empire, which warred against the saints, and destroyed Jerusalem (Revelation 13:5-7). It was Pompey and Titus who blasphemed God and His tabernacle, by burning swine in the holy of holies. (Revelation 13:5-7). The United nations is simply a bad joke. No one could buy or sell by the 321 AD decree of Constantine, because he shut down the markets and the government offices on the day of the Sun. The decree is now known as blue laws.
Constantine's law of…321 [C.E] uniting Christians and pagans in the observance of the "venerable day of the sun" It is to be noted that this official solar worship, the final form of paganism in the empire…, was not the traditional Roman-Greek religion of Jupiter, Apollo, Venus, and the other Olympian deities. It was a product of the mingling Hellenistic-Oriental elements, exemplified in Aurelian's establishment of Eastern Sun worship at Rome as the official religion of the empire, and in his new temple enshrining Syrian statutes statues of Bel and the sun…. Thus at last Bel, the god of Babylon, came into the official imperial temple of Rome, the center of the imperial religion. It was this late Roman-Oriental worship of one supreme god, symbolized by the sun and absorbing lesser divinities as subordinates or manifestations of the universal deity, that competed with young Christianity. This was the Roman religion that went down in defeat but infiltrated and colored the victorious church with its own elements, some of which can be seen to this day. (Cramer 4)
On March 7, 321, Sunday was declared the official day of rest, on which markets were banned and public offices were closed,[ Constantine the Great and Christianity - Wikipedia
kjw47
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The harlot is all false religion on earth 99% of them. When God confused the languages at the tower of Babel( 6 days ago to God)--they took all the false god worship and pagan practices and spread them through the earth--they are alive and well to this day. God sees them clearly--Mortals don't to well. 99% are being mislead to this day from those things.
Babylon the Great is the religion of Babel. The god of Babel was the sun god Bel, also known as Apollo, Mithras, and Sol Invictus. Babylon was the mother of “harlots”, of which the Roman church, following Constantine’s Sol Invictus, is one, and the Jews and her sister, the house of Israel were “harlots” as well, and pursued Bel and Marduk. In the case of the “beast with two horns like a lamb”, we are talking about the Roman church, a daughter of Babylon. In the case of the 8th head of the beast, that beast had 10 horns and not two, and all those 10 kings will hate Judah, the Jews, and persecute her and burn her with fire. This has been done with the kings of Germany, the kings of Russia, the kings of Spain, the kings of France, the kings of Iraq, the king of Iran, etc. The Jews are now fleeing these countries because of persecution. Judah is under the judgment of God per Hosea 5, but the nations where the “house of Israel” had been scattered, are nearing their own judgment (Joel 3:2) & (Jeremiah 30:11) & (Daniel 2:35 & 44). The "harlot" of Revelation 17:17 is Judah, the Jews.
kjw47
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At some time, one must move on from the “falsehood”s “inherited” from “our fathers” (Jeremiah 16:19). Unfortunately, that will be after the “day of distress” (Jeremiah 16:19)
kjw47
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Those who love Jesus---learn and apply every teaching. He appointed his teachers on earth. in his one single religion.
You may want to review your math on that subject. Supposedly, there are 38,000 Christian sects, and 37,999 of them don’t want the JWs included, which would be a good thing for the JWs, except the JWs want to be among the “many”(Mt 7:13). I think according to Yeshua, there was to be one teacher (Matthew 23:8). It is from the false prophet Paul where you get your "teachers", "pastors", etc..
kjw47
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Paul was in harmony with Jesus--Mens twistings have screwed it all up.
JW,s listened to Jesus and are no part of the world--especially the false religious parts.
Gerhard Ebersoehn
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"What is His Name, AND, what is his Son's, Name?" Proverbs 30:4
The Son is not the Father's Name, but, 'Father' is the Son's Name ALSO. Isaiah 9:6, just like Yahweh is the Father as well as the Son; and the Son like the Father is God Elohim Almighty.
That's why I said I don’t trust WCs; I also don’t trust ACs or Allahist Christians.
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Gerhard Ebersoehn
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The Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden emblem of the tree on BONE-DAY planted on the Hill Called BONE-of-Skull on the Mountain of God's Glory in Paradise Lost, Regained, KINGDOM of God and Father and Beloved Son, which if a man shall eat of, he shall not die, but live.
Gerhard Ebersoehn
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I'll help you with this one, and avoid the primary post. Things are clearly stated, though as usual, we can always disagree.
Many misunderstand what happened to Enoch, even Elijah, though his case is harder to demonstrate what happened.
Let's begin by nailing things down with a scripture in Enoch's case:
Heb 11It then is necessary to ponder what it meant that he was 'translated' and didn't see death. The answer seems obvious. He was given an experience, a vision, that kept him occupied while God made him pass away in death - and thereby didn't experience his own death as is common for all others, except perhaps those in coma.
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and he was not found, because God translated him: for he hath had witness borne to him that before his translation he had been well-pleasing unto God:
Some take this to mean that Enoch didn't die; however, in the same chapter we are clearly told that he and the others mentioned did die!
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Elijah as mentioned is a bit more difficult to demonstrate. But, I made a study of this. Here it is:
On this page, I also mention Enoch, but scroll down to Elijah: link: Truth Seeker - Trivial Questions
Thank you, GL, This is beautiful, so down to earth. Very good explanation certainly!
Unfortunately, just as good as this, so bad is your website information on God's creation.
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You have everything backwards, maybe because no one told you that "Paradise Lost" is fiction. What Yeshua said was "he who believes in Me will live even if he dies". "everyone will die for his own iniquity" (Jeremiah 31:30).
New American Standard Bible John 11:25
Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies,