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How to force gun control in US

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I am heartened by the Florida school children going to Washington demanding stricter gun controls. If people in US are serious about making gun laws stringent so that school shootings never happen again, they should support this initiative. I would propose that parents don't send their children to school until appropriate laws are passed in the states and the federal level. Let's shut down schools as clearly they are too unsafe for your children. Their lives matter more than a few lost months of education.

That should get the lawmakers attention.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I am heartened by the Florida school children going to Washington demanding stricter gun controls. If people in US are serious about making gun laws stringent so that school shootings never happen again, they should support this initiative. I would propose that parents don't send their children to school until appropriate laws are passed in the states and the federal level. Let's shut down schools as clearly they are too unsafe for your children. Their lives matter more than a few lost months of education.

That should get the lawmakers attention.
Or what's worked in the past: arm minorities. School shootings won't cut it; get a whole bunch of Black Lives Matter members openly carrying AR-15s (abiding by all the relevant rules and laws, of course) and "assault rifles" will be banned by the end of the year. Even the NRA will be okay with it.

Nobody will say that they're trying to disarm BLM, of course. Their change of heart on the school shooting issue will just happen to coincide with BLM arming itself.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
I am heartened by the Florida school children going to Washington demanding stricter gun controls. If people in US are serious about making gun laws stringent so that school shootings never happen again, they should support this initiative. I would propose that parents don't send their children to school until appropriate laws are passed in the states and the federal level. Let's shut down schools as clearly they are too unsafe for your children. Their lives matter more than a few lost months of education.

That should get the lawmakers attention.

I'm already planning to go to the march on March 22 with as many of my son's school kids that will go and I recommend Joining. As to shutting down schools, Kids need to learn and the schools are not the problem the government is. If all the kids camp out in Washington supported by parents and groups then I'm for it. If the kids are going to be home playing video games I have a problem.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
I am heartened by the Florida school children going to Washington demanding stricter gun controls. If people in US are serious about making gun laws stringent so that school shootings never happen again, they should support this initiative. I would propose that parents don't send their children to school until appropriate laws are passed in the states and the federal level. Let's shut down schools as clearly they are too unsafe for your children. Their lives matter more than a few lost months of education.
That should get the lawmakers attention.

They will just have to make it up in summer school.

Or what's worked in the past: arm minorities.

Minorities are already armed, In the U.S. legal gun ownership seems to cut across ethnic, political, and gender lines according to this study by PEW:

The demographics and politics of gun-owning households | Pew Research Center
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
I am heartened by the Florida school children going to Washington demanding stricter gun controls. If people in US are serious about making gun laws stringent so that school shootings never happen again, they should support this initiative. I would propose that parents don't send their children to school until appropriate laws are passed in the states and the federal level. Let's shut down schools as clearly they are too unsafe for your children. Their lives matter more than a few lost months of education.

That should get the lawmakers attention.

What you're suggesting is dancing with being unconstitutional and no more destructive than forcing people who come to this country to speak English.

Here is what I suggested in my thread:

First and foremost, let us be honest about gun control and and not allocate the problem with a specific community, but address it as a national problem and not treat it as an endemic.

First, gun laws are for mitigation, not to cure any current problems because obviously you cannot get rid of all the guns in the streets. Two, like my job, we have re-certification of our permits every year (along with taking an 8-hour class/including hours at the shooting range). In addition to these classes not only does it consist of gun safety as well as state and federal laws, but also the dangers of gun mismanagement. Failure to re-certify suspends your gun permit as well as suspend your CCW-this makes people accountable regardless if you're a responsible gun owner or not. Any gun buyers under the age of 21 must supply an identification card and must be cataloged in a national data base. We have to continually challenge the notion of responsibility. Being a responsible gun owner does not just mean that you wont commit violent acts with a gun or mishandle a weapon, but also can you maintain an updated license to own and carry.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
I am heartened by the Florida school children going to Washington demanding stricter gun controls. If people in US are serious about making gun laws stringent so that school shootings never happen again, they should support this initiative. I would propose that parents don't send their children to school until appropriate laws are passed in the states and the federal level. Let's shut down schools as clearly they are too unsafe for your children. Their lives matter more than a few lost months of education.

That should get the lawmakers attention.


What laws do you have in mind?
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Or what's worked in the past: arm minorities. School shootings won't cut it; get a whole bunch of Black Lives Matter members openly carrying AR-15s (abiding by all the relevant rules and laws, of course) and "assault rifles" will be banned by the end of the year. Even the NRA will be okay with it.

Nobody will say that they're trying to disarm BLM, of course. Their change of heart on the school shooting issue will just happen to coincide with BLM arming itself.

I see what you did there.....

Mulford Act: The Mulford Act was a 1967 California bill that repealed a law allowing public carrying of loaded firearms. Named after Republican assemblyman Don Mulford, the bill was crafted in response to members of the Black Panther Party who were conducting armed patrols of Oakland neighborhoods while they were conducting what would later be termed copwatching.[1] They garnered national attention after the Black Panthers marched bearing arms upon the California State Capitol to protest the bill.

Did the NRA support gun control when the Black Panthers advocated that minorities arm themselves?

The reference to the Black Panther Party probably refers to the Mulford Act enacted in 1967 under Ronald Reagan during his period as Governor of California. This act effectively restricted citizens from carrying guns in public and created one of the countries most strict gun control regulations. This was a direct reaction to the Black Panther Movement’s rise in California and in the 1960s, the NRA would not yet have been a hard-line advocate for gun ownership rights. In the 1980s Reagan changed his opinion on the subject. He would begin to actively encourage 2nd amendment rights to keep citizens safe from the despotism that could be enacted by government, just what African Americans had been hoping to achieve in the 1960’s when he had instead endorsed the Mulford Act. The post 1977 NRA endorsed their first presidential candidate, Ronald Reagan, after both had switched to a more strict 2nd amendment rights defense.


Fact-Check: Did the NRA support gun control when the Black Panthers advocated that minorities arm themselves? | All the Rage

I highly doubt the NRA even with its hard stance on gun control would support a bunch of rag tag law abiding black folks the privilege to walk around with weapons.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
Its going to happen only incrementally.
The immediate concern is with the assault rifles etc. I think its different this time in that these kids and others will soon be old enough to vote!
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm already planning to go to the march on March 22 with as many of my son's school kids that will go and I recommend Joining. As to shutting down schools, Kids need to learn and the schools are not the problem the government is. If all the kids camp out in Washington supported by parents and groups then I'm for it. If the kids are going to be home playing video games I have a problem.
I believe schools have a parents body. In states with particularly lax gun laws, the parents council should take the initiative for school boycotts.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Its going to happen only incrementally.
The immediate concern is with the assault rifles etc. I think its different this time in that these kids and others will soon be old enough to vote!

Could you define assault rifle?
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
Could you define assault rifle?

And AR-15 style rifles have become a favorite among mass shooters, used in some of the most notorious and deadly mass killings in recent history: Aurora, Vegas, Texas, San Bernardino.

This is the story of how media hysteria and failed policy; industry pressures and consumer demand; blood and money helped turn an ugly, unwanted semi-automatic rifle into the most popular rifle in America.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/14/health/ar15-rifle-history-trnd/index.html
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
What laws do you have in mind?
What do you think of the President's proposal to ban certain stocks and accessories that are used to make semi autos into full autos?
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I am heartened by the Florida school children going to Washington demanding stricter gun controls. If people in US are serious about making gun laws stringent so that school shootings never happen again, they should support this initiative. I would propose that parents don't send their children to school until appropriate laws are passed in the states and the federal level. Let's shut down schools as clearly they are too unsafe for your children. Their lives matter more than a few lost months of education.

That should get the lawmakers attention.


President Donald Trump has said he will meet with high school students who survived last week's school shooting in Parkland, Florida, which killed 17 people.

The White House announced Sunday that Trump plans to host a "listening session" with students and teachers from the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School on Thursday.

The discussion is expected to be followed by a meeting with state and local officials to discuss school safety. The White House did not provide any further details on the planned talks.

Donald Trump will hold a "listening session" with Florida school shooting survivors
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
I am heartened by the Florida school children going to Washington demanding stricter gun controls. If people in US are serious about making gun laws stringent so that school shootings never happen again, they should support this initiative. I would propose that parents don't send their children to school until appropriate laws are passed in the states and the federal level. Let's shut down schools as clearly they are too unsafe for your children. Their lives matter more than a few lost months of education.

That should get the lawmakers attention.
I would support kids who believed in peaceful protest choosing to boycott schools or peacefully assemble. While I think parents too should support such kids, I do not support parents using their children as political tools in order to push their political agenda. If a child wishes to boycott in protest, great. If a parent really does not feel safe sending their child to school, great. If neither of these conditions are true, I can only shake my head.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Could you define assault rifle?

That is the question isn't it. Is it a rifle with large capacity magazines or is it any semi automatic rifle? Is it a pump shotgun? A bolt action rifle or a musket? All have been used as an assault weapon in the past. I am not for the public owning fully automatic weapons (which is already illegal), but I would hate to see the term assault rifle applied so loosely that it becomes in effect ,a gun ban. Not to mention that super strict gun laws have been a complete failure in this country, for example 'Chicago' for one. The knee jerk reaction is to attack the weapon while ignoring the person behind it. A gun or knife or vehicle did not kill anyone. A disturbed or evil person in possession of said instrument did. This IMO is not a weapon problem, but a people problem.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I don't want to get involved in another gun issue, so I'm not going to, but let me just say that I hope these kids are successful in changing the horrific killing-field that is now the U.S. My heart and tears are with them.
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
The simple answer is to get the guns out of people that aren't committed to the safety of the public.

The difficulty is to convince the gun advocates on how.

Even with data and statistics especially with other nations that have successfully dealt with gun violence, many will either:

1) Offer nothing more than opinions, speculations and doubt.

2) Refer back to the second amendment and again offer opinions, speculations, and doubt.

Then, of course, nothing will be done because all the opinions, speculations and doubt becomes a circular tactic to prevent any real plausible fix to occur.

The fix is in front of every American, because other nations have dealt with it successfully. We are the prime example as a developed nation on what not do concerning guns.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
And AR-15 style rifles have become a favorite among mass shooters, used in some of the most notorious and deadly mass killings in recent history: Aurora, Vegas, Texas, San Bernardino.

This is the story of how media hysteria and failed policy; industry pressures and consumer demand; blood and money helped turn an ugly, unwanted semi-automatic rifle into the most popular rifle in America.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/14/health/ar15-rifle-history-trnd/index.html


But this is not an "assault rifle".
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
What do you think of the President's proposal to ban certain stocks and accessories that are used to make semi autos into full autos?

I feel that the Obama administration should not have made "bump stocks" legal in the first place. Accessories to retrofit semi-automatics into full automatic have been illegal for years. I'm in.
 
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