From what I’ve read, it was first proposed by Jewish academics who were uncomfortable with using “AD” (anno Domine - the year of our Lord) referring to years since the birth of Jesus.
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We know that Jesus was born in the year 6 BC, then why is the calendar counting from the year "0"?
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Unveiled Artist
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After reading this and quick research the Gregorian calander was based on the Julian from Julias. It was supposed to be aligned with the sun and solar equainoxes not christ. Then later, they found the Easter date to be off. They corrected it to the gregorian calendar where easter falls on March 21 instead.
Julian uses the incarnation of christ but the calendar was eleven mins off. Since the protestant reformation it was changed to agree with solae equinax not lunar as before.
The closest the julian calendar (catholic) gets to christ or the creator for that matter is the correlation of eastee. When the gregorian calendar came, it was thought o have changes also because of the conflict with the church.
Its supposed to align with the solar equinox not christ and not a creator.
Then it depends on whose calendar your speaking of too
Did you make all that up yourself, or did you get it from whoever made it up?
Do you seriously think that Easter is always on March 21? You could have corrected that misconception by just checking a calendar.
The Gregorian calendar was created under the Catholic Church. It’s named after the Pope who approved and introduced it.
And why on Earth would you think that the Julian calendar was “11 minutes off” on the birth of Jesus?
whirlingmerc
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There is no claim the Gregorian Calender if perfect. Could have flaws.
Unveiled Artist
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Ill reply later since this is neg
After reading this and quick research the Gregorian calander was based on the Julian from Julia
You than have the problem of when Rome did the Census for taxes. How does this fit your scenario?
Unveiled Artist
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Actually, No. I did not make it up. The many sources I "quickly" looked up were rather informational. I dont think your info is much better than there's. Id have to actually go to the books and double check. Too lazy for this type of reply.
Always? I said that easter in the Julian calender was off by 11mins. It threw the seasons off and a couple days skipped. One source mentioned it skipped september. Went from sept1 to the 16th. The next pope changed it to meet the solar equinax. It solves the problem with the seasons but the leap year and the weeks of the calendar couldnt be fixed perfect.
Yes. I know. Thats what the "fake" link said. It also mentioned that the Pope, I think, XIII I have to double check your views . The pope Julain did it according to jesus's resurrection. The Gregorian calendar was a improvement of it.
It was 11mins off in relation to the seasons not Christ (OP). The seasons didnt match up and some of the days were off. The last source said the Julian calender was based on the lunar cycles. The next pope who did the gregorian one based it on the solar equinex.
Very interesting info. Not from wiki, thank gosh.
Change your tone before replying
Always? I said that easter in the Julian calender was off by 11mins. It threw the seasons off and a couple days skipped. One source mentioned it skipped september. Went from sept1 to the 16th. The next pope changed it to meet the solar equinax. It solves the problem with the seasons but the leap year and the weeks of the calendar couldnt be fixed perfect.
Yes. I know. Thats what the "fake" link said. It also mentioned that the Pope, I think, XIII I have to double check your views . The pope Julain did it according to jesus's resurrection. The Gregorian calendar was a improvement of it.
It was 11mins off in relation to the seasons not Christ (OP). The seasons didnt match up and some of the days were off. The last source said the Julian calender was based on the lunar cycles. The next pope who did the gregorian one based it on the solar equinex.
Very interesting info. Not from wiki, thank gosh.
Change your tone before replying
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Jeremiah Ames
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I got lost when Adam was created on the last year of a day.
I think you have a vivid imagination.
Your information is clearly wrong, so I sure hope mine is better.
Why are you asking me?
Easter is set by the lunar calendar, not the solar calendar. The Julian and Gregorian calendars are both solar calendars.
Actually, it was adopted at different times in different countries.
The Julian calendar was very close to ours: all of our 12 months, plus a leap day every 4 years so that the length of a year was 365 days and 6 hours, on average.
A solar day is actually 365 days, 5 hours, and 48 minutes, after using the Julian calendar for more than a thousand years, it had developed almost 2 weeks of error.
The change from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar did two things:
- it fixed the error that had creeped in.
- it established a different system of leap days (no leap year in years divisible by 100 except for years divisible by 400) that significantly reduced the error going forward.
Not "Pope Julian;" Julius Caesar. The Julian calendar with its 365.25 days was created under order of Julius Caesar. Dionysius Exiguus later changed the starting year to match when he calculated Jesus's birth, but left the system of months and days alone.
The Julian calendar was off by about 11 minutes per year. After ten years, it was off by about 110 minutes (almost 2 hours). By the time it was fixed in the 1500s, it was off by about 11 days. Today, the Julian calendar is off by about 13 days.
I'll change my tone when you stop spouting garbage as fact. My tone toward you is a reflection of the lack of respect you're showing to me.
Buddha Dharma
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I hope the same to you
Satans_Serrated_Edge
Deicidal
There is no significant evidence that the Jesus character was 'born' at all(outside of literary context)
Jeremiah Ames
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That sentence alone would make an interesting topic of its own.
It’s scary to me, but shows how religion has so deceived the world.
John 12:44-50 44Then Jesus cried out, "Whoever believes in me does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. 45The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me. 46I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness. 47"If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day. 49For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. 50I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say."
An immense treasure chest of information here.
So what are the words He has spoken that will condemn?
Matthew 22:34-40 34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: "'Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.
So how does your gleeful “preparing something nice for her enemies” fit with the above?
How does persecuting their neighbor, uprooting thousands from their homes, building nuclear weapons, using sophisticated weaponry against civilians, and other such atrocities fit with the words of our Lord?
How is it that a church that claims to follow Jesus, will support the above, when the people being supported don’t believe in Jesus, think he was a false prophet, and think he deserved to die?
How is it that humans are so clever at deception, yet cannot recognize when they have been deceived?
Matthew 7:14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Notice the word “few”.
Matthew 25:32-40 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' 37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'LORD, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' 40"The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'
I only quote the words of my Lord. That is all I need. It makes no difference what day it is. Or what year.
You are very passionate with your faith. Continue to open your heart and mind to the Lord.
Mark 8:18 18Do you have eyes but fail to see, and ears but fail to hear? And don't you remember?
Ezekiel 12:2 2"Son of man, you are living among a rebellious people. They have eyes to see but do not see and ears to hear but do not hear, for they are a rebellious people.
Matthew 6:22-23 22"The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are healthy, your whole body will be full of light. 23But if your eyes are unhealthy, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
God bless.
Unveiled Artist
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Four sources can not be wrong. Stop being rude with me.
I won't be sarcastic. I don't know if yours is better. I don't take what I read online as 100% accurate. I do know the sites I went on are not wiki sites. Maybe I rewrote it wrong but not incorrect in themselves.
Rhetorical question. Doesnt work well online. Well, only to people I talk to more.
Okay. Wrong site. It does mention the calendar was corrected because of the seasons and the 11 mins. More than one site.
Yes, I read that.
Yes. Very close. There wasn't much of a change between the two popes.
Don't think I mentioned specifics. I'll take your word.
Pretty much.
Spelled his name wrong. Julian calendar rather than Judian. As for the rest, yep, read that too. No different.
I didn't say specifics. I just said 11 mins off. Thanks for adding more details. I thought I keep it short since the OP didnt want a research paper.
Wait. "Why are you making this up?" Was nice?
Garbage is very humble language?
Nothing is fact on these web sites and forums unless we cite or link it so there is a full discussion on the information given on variable sources. Until then, the sources I looked up and posted could be wrong on my written part but not on the sites.
This whole conversation is very rude. It would be best to say "hey, I think you got the wrong information... or hey, that doesn't sound to right, this is what I know.."
Not make up stuff and facts as garbage.
That is an insult. Very much so.
I won't be sarcastic. I don't know if yours is better. I don't take what I read online as 100% accurate. I do know the sites I went on are not wiki sites. Maybe I rewrote it wrong but not incorrect in themselves.
Rhetorical question. Doesnt work well online. Well, only to people I talk to more.
Okay. Wrong site. It does mention the calendar was corrected because of the seasons and the 11 mins. More than one site.
Yes, I read that.
Yes. Very close. There wasn't much of a change between the two popes.
Don't think I mentioned specifics. I'll take your word.
Pretty much.
Spelled his name wrong. Julian calendar rather than Judian. As for the rest, yep, read that too. No different.
I didn't say specifics. I just said 11 mins off. Thanks for adding more details. I thought I keep it short since the OP didnt want a research paper.
Wait. "Why are you making this up?" Was nice?
Garbage is very humble language?
Nothing is fact on these web sites and forums unless we cite or link it so there is a full discussion on the information given on variable sources. Until then, the sources I looked up and posted could be wrong on my written part but not on the sites.
This whole conversation is very rude. It would be best to say "hey, I think you got the wrong information... or hey, that doesn't sound to right, this is what I know.."
Not make up stuff and facts as garbage.
That is an insult. Very much so.
The problem with all that is, we don’t really know surely that those numbers are correct (4, 6, 6000).
One reason is because the NT is not only unclear but self-contradictory on the date of Jesus' birth. There's some identification with the year Herod died, which is around 4-2 BCE, and there's Luke 2 which identifies the birth with the census of Quirinius in 6 CE (seven to nine years later).
The bible says nothing of the kind. Nor does it say Yahweh is a 12-year-old, or was when he made Adam in his image. So the only source of such an idea is someone's imagination.
It's inconceivable that Herod ever made such an order in reality. It's not something that could be done while no one was looking, and it would have sent shock waves of revulsion through the entire Roman world; yet not a single record independently supports the claim.
lostwanderingsoul
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Let's get back to Adam. How does anyone "know" he was not created as an adult? I do not find anything in the Bible to suggest this.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
How does anyone "know" that he existed in the first place? All of the evidence out there tells us that he was a myth.
More than likely that Adam and Eve is a symbolic story of the Spiritual awakening of Humanity in the previous cycle of Prophecy. Adam most likely a Messenger from God and the cycle concluded with Muhammad, who was the seal of the Prophets. Muhammad closed the age of Prophecy and paved the way for the Day of God. A cycle destined to last 500,000 years.
Regards Tony