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The BEST Anti-Violence and Gun Control Proposal

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Well, clearly this teacher isn't. This teacher can merrily look forward to yet another year of mass shootings, probably about 50 of them in school premises. Denial to the point of some kind of neurosis?

By all means address issues such as the horrendous financial imbalances in society, the media adoration of celebrities, group victimisation of loners, etc........ but for Big-G's sake just wake up and focus on gun control.!!

Here's waiting in sadness for the next mass murder ................. probably in the next weeks?
Unless a teacher is armed and trained?
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Unless a teacher is armed and trained?

No.
Teachers are professionally qualified to deliver lesson plans.
If you just followed common sense policies to introduce common sense conditions and controls, whilst working on the reduction of illegal weapons longterm, your teachers can teach. By all means pay for School security officers

You could start with:-
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No semi-auto gun sales to under 21's? You restrict alcohol sales to 'em... yes?

No semi-auto gun sales to anybody without demonstration of good reason and need for one.?

No semi-auto gun sales to anybody without a criminal-record review and two references from persons with clear records?

No semi-auto gun sales to anybody without a psycho/mental review?

No semi-auto gun sales to anybody who has been reported as a gun-risk?

No semi-auto gun sales to anybody without a crime-prevention home visit and verification that applicant has suitable home-security with approved gun-security, or safe etc?

No semi-auto gun sales without proof of full comprehensive liability insurance cover?
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Until a thief and a rappist visits your house and takes a good look at your child.
You're under this false assumption that people don't want you to be able to defend your home. I'd assume you also think confiscation is around the corner.
 

Buddha Dharma

Dharma Practitioner
The teacher has some good points, as well as some bad ones. The bad ones come when reverting into parental authoritarianism as an answer. I rarely see anyone suggest the most obviously reasonable course of action- talking to your children. Explaining to them ideas like morals and worth. Inviting them to think about these things in a constructive way. The teacher makes good points though about desensitization and lack of understanding why life matters.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
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China isn't a first world country, and its government does censor violent games and movies.



Teaching about religion objectively isn't the same as the indoctrination/proselytization that occurs at religious schools.
Besides, those countries have a vastly greater proportion of nonreligious citizens than does the U.S. regardless.

Sorry I saw the word "secular" and the facts didn't add up. I don't even see the word "objectively" when Religious Education is compulsory.

I don't think it's compulsory in the US. Though I understand that some schools are trying to teach Islam as a required prerequisite .
 

Buddha Dharma

Dharma Practitioner
I don't know who thinking about it wouldn't figure that we should not be filling the minds of children with violent images and strife before their psychological makeup is even finalized.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Really? The tired shtick of using video games as a scapegoat?
While you think video games have no effect, corporations will spend billions on what you see convinced it will affect what you think and buy.

Jesus said if affects what you think and he is never wrong.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
No.
Teachers are professionally qualified to deliver lesson plans.
If you just followed common sense policies to introduce common sense conditions and controls, whilst working on the reduction of illegal weapons longterm, your teachers can teach. By all means pay for School security officers

You could start with:-
.
No semi-auto gun sales to under 21's? You restrict alcohol sales to 'em... yes?

No semi-auto gun sales to anybody without demonstration of good reason and need for one.?

No semi-auto gun sales to anybody without a criminal-record review and two references from persons with clear records?

No semi-auto gun sales to anybody without a psycho/mental review?

No semi-auto gun sales to anybody who has been reported as a gun-risk?

No semi-auto gun sales to anybody without a crime-prevention home visit and verification that applicant has suitable home-security with approved gun-security, or safe etc?

No semi-auto gun sales without proof of full comprehensive liability insurance cover?
I understand that is our first reasonable thought, although statistics doesn't support it.

Jesus thought of a better way... deal with the heart, then the outward manifestation will be love.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
You're under this false assumption that people don't want you to be able to defend your home. I'd assume you also think confiscation is around the corner.
And how do you assume that will be done? Since evil people still get or make guns?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
And WHERE, WHERE, WHERE is the outrage and the cry against these continual mass murders?

(CNN)The rate of teen drug overdose deaths in the United States climbed 19% from 2014 to 2015, from 3.1 deaths per 100,000 teens to 3.7 per 100,000, according to data released this week. The new numbers involve teens ages 15 to 19 and were released by the National Center for Health Statistics.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
While you think video games have no effect, corporations will spend billions on what you see convinced it will affect what you think and buy.

The bible is filled to the brim with violence, so then let's start with that.

Jesus said if affects what you think and he is never wrong.
I kinda doubt that there are any scriptural references to video games. Besides, I bet Jesus would've loved Doom.:
 
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Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Sorry I saw the word "secular" and the facts didn't add up. I don't even see the word "objectively" when Religious Education is compulsory.

I don't think it's compulsory in the US. Though I understand that some schools are trying to teach Islam as a required prerequisite .

Secular is defined as being unbiased/neutral toward religions, and compulsory or not, there is a difference between teaching what something is from an objective point of view (i.e. religion A believes X, religion B believes Y, etc.), and teaching something as a fact (i.e. X is true because religion A said so). This should've been a rather obvious distinction.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
Secular is defined as being unbiased/neutral toward religions, and compulsory or not, there is a difference between teaching what something is from an objective point of view (i.e. religion A believes X, religion B believes Y, etc.), and teaching something as a fact (i.e. X is true because religion A said so). This should've been a rather obvious distinction.
Well, I tend to agree. Since I have only a slight grasp of England and other countries RA, I can only speak clarity from US perspective. Yes, separation of church and state has a much broader divide today as it has from any previous time. The biggest effects within the last 50 years. Whether this is good or bad, is up to the view of the individual. I just know that 50 years ago, I never had feared going to school. Or worried about having a baby at 15 YO. Morals appeared to be much more prevalent and voluntary, rather than government forced.

Today, the government has taken the place of what God meant to individuals back then.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Jesus thought of a better way... deal with the heart, then the outward manifestation will be love.
OK.............
But I have not read about that many manifestations of Love shown by Christianity, really. Where I live they burned each other, and did many bad things.
But whenever I have pointed to an example, Christians have replied, 'Them? But they're not Christians!' and if I went on for ever like that, then there would be few or none left.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Well, I tend to agree. Since I have only a slight grasp of England and other countries RA, I can only speak clarity from US perspective. Yes, separation of church and state has a much broader divide today as it has from any previous time. The biggest effects within the last 50 years. Whether this is good or bad, is up to the view of the individual. I just know that 50 years ago, I never had feared going to school. Or worried about having a baby at 15 YO. Morals appeared to be much more prevalent and voluntary, rather than government forced.

Today, the government has taken the place of what God meant to individuals back then.

United States map with state teen birth rates (births per 1,000 females ages 15-19) by quartile. (Source: CDC)
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Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
OK.............
But I have not read about that many manifestations of Love shown by Christianity, really. Where I live they burned each other, and did many bad things.
But whenever I have pointed to an example, Christians have replied, 'Them? But they're not Christians!' and if I went on for ever like that, then there would be few or none left.
Understand your point and much truth in it. But your conclussion is obviously wrong as we still have millions for there is always a remnant.

The reality is that evil exists. If laws could stop evil - then all we would have to do is enact more laws. But prisons are full of people with all the laws in place.

Psalms 36
1 Sin whispers to the wicked, deep within their hearts. They have no fear of God at all.
2 In their blind conceit, they cannot see how wicked they really are.
3 Everything they say is crooked and deceitful. They refuse to act wisely or do good.
4 They lie awake at night, hatching sinful plots. Their actions are never good. They make no attempt to turn from evil.

If it isn't guns, then it is pipe bombs or pressure cookers and trucks, ambulances, IED or whatever.

The answer, IMV, is still Jesus.
 
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