Creation vs evolution

Jean Valjean · Feb 19, 2018

Eternal with money for an eternity...

Some priest put this on their income declaration to the state authorities...

And it runs through!!!

Subduction Zone · Feb 19, 2018

Cheese Confessionals: I Ate Casu Marzu, aka 'Maggot Cheese'

Faithofchristian said:
There two aspects to the bible.
The one being the letter of the word in the Bible.
The other is the spirit of the word which is in the Bible also.

What is this supposed "spirit"? Where is your evidence that it exists? Quotes taken out of context of a translation that you do not understand are not evidence.

Have you any idea as to which is which.

There does not appear to be any "spirit". This is more nonsense that you cannot support.

In the book of Matthew 24: 2 Jesus in speaking about the temple buildlings said
"There shall not be one stone left upon another that shall not be thrown down"

But yet there is what the Jews calls over in Israel the wailing wall, and it's still standing.
Do you know exactly when that wall will come down ?
Jesus fortold in Matthew 24 when that wall will come down.
Now will you understand what the Spirit of the word in Matthew 24 is saying, when that wall will come down to fulfil the prophecy that Jesus gave, there shall not be one stone left upon another.
When does this take place?

Yes, I know when he predicted that it would happen. He was wrong. It is one of the worst failed prophesies of the Bible. This is a chance for you to be honest. Can you admit that the disciples that he preached to have been dead for almost 2000 years?

I am betting that you are going to end up claiming that the "spirit" of the Bible is lying when necessary.

12jtartar · Feb 19, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
One fact to Refute evolution.

For those who believe in the theory of evolution.
Why did evolution have to be tested, to know whether it's true or not.

To test something, that means it's not true, until it's tested to show it's true.

This why Christians don't have to test the bible all because Christians already know the Bible is true

Where as evolution had to be tested, to find if it's true or not true.

That's like going to take a test, you take a test to show if your qualified or not.

Therefore to test the theory of evolution, is to see if it's qualified or not.

That means evolution wasn't qualified, from the start.until it took the test.

Where as the bible did not have to take any test to be qualified, The bible was qualified right from the start.

Therefore Christians do not have to test the bible to see if it's qualified, We already know that the Bible is qualified.

Faithofchristian,
There are many, many things that I could say to refute the Theory of evolution, but a scientist, a mathematician that deals in exact science, calculated the chances that the Universe could be as it is without an Extremely wise and powerful creator, would be; all the atoms in the known Universe to 1. Slight chance, when it is also calculated that anything is impossible, if the chances are more than 40,000 to one.
Look at our natural world, everything you see is a miracle to us, but some claim that an unknowing Mother Nature Created what mankind cannot even understand, in its simplest!!!

Subduction Zone · Feb 19, 2018

12jtartar said:
Faithofchristian,
There are many, many things that I could say to refute the Theory of evolution, but a scientist, a mathematician that deals in exact science, calculated the chances that the Universe could be as it is without an Extremely wise and powerful creator, would be; all the atoms in the known Universe to 1. Slight chance, when it is also calculated that anything is impossible, if the chances are more than 40,000 to one.
Look at our natural world, everything you see is a miracle to us, but some claim that an unknowing Mother Nature Created what mankind cannot even understand, in its simplest!!!

Wow! The poor and refuted argument that you mentioned had nothing to do with the theory of evolution.

Why is it that creationists that have no understanding of the sciences call all science that they do not like "evolution".

Evolution does not work on chance. That is a misconception of the ignorant.

Altfish · Feb 19, 2018

12jtartar said:
There are many, many things that I could say to refute the Theory of evolution, but a scientist, a mathematician that deals in exact science, calculated the chances that the Universe could be as it is without an Extremely wise and powerful creator, would be; all the atoms in the known Universe to 1. Slight chance, when it is also calculated that anything is impossible, if the chances are more than 40,000 to one.
Look at our natural world, everything you see is a miracle to us, but some claim that an unknowing Mother Nature Created what mankind cannot even understand, in its simplest!!!

Refute the Theory of Evolution!!!
Quick, write the paper before anyone else comes up with the idea. Get the paper published and put it up for scrutiny. You are obviously sure that you are correct, so I'm sure there'll be not dissention of your paper.
Then you can expect fame and fortune, telly appearances, speaking engagements, etc.

btw The chances of any one winning the Powerball Lottery is something like 185,000,000 to 1. But most weeks someone wins it. Slight chance but it regularly happens.
So, the odds you quote for evolution are pretty good, especially when we are talking billions of years.

sayak83 · Feb 19, 2018

12jtartar said:
Faithofchristian,
There are many, many things that I could say to refute the Theory of evolution, but a scientist, a mathematician that deals in exact science, calculated the chances that the Universe could be as it is without an Extremely wise and powerful creator, would be; all the atoms in the known Universe to 1. Slight chance, when it is also calculated that anything is impossible, if the chances are more than 40,000 to one.
Look at our natural world, everything you see is a miracle to us, but some claim that an unknowing Mother Nature Created what mankind cannot even understand, in its simplest!!!

You have just proved that you are incapable of even comprehending that which you wish to refute.

blü 2 · Feb 19, 2018

Kelly of the Phoenix said:
So what you have is, The blind leading the blind.

And, you say, there's no useful definition of 'truth', so there's no test for 'truth'
so there's no remedy for the problem you outline, right?

So that you have no way of knowing whether what you say is correct, and neither does anyone else, because it's all done on personal feel, right?

Have I stated that correctly?

Polymath257 · Feb 19, 2018

12jtartar said:
Faithofchristian,
There are many, many things that I could say to refute the Theory of evolution, but a scientist, a mathematician that deals in exact science, calculated the chances that the Universe could be as it is without an Extremely wise and powerful creator, would be; all the atoms in the known Universe to 1. Slight chance, when it is also calculated that anything is impossible, if the chances are more than 40,000 to one.
Look at our natural world, everything you see is a miracle to us, but some claim that an unknowing Mother Nature Created what mankind cannot even understand, in its simplest!!!

Sorry, Hoyle's calculation was based on the faulty assumption that each and every step was probabilistically independent of every other step and all steps had to be made in a specific order.

The calculation was just wrong mathematically.

Jean Valjean · Feb 19, 2018

This is what creation, and a literal interpretation of it is good for -it will grant you the authority to do like wise as the creator.

God didn't make the world by hire a construction company. Nor did he dig a pit, to find early lifeforms, dead indeed, the fossilrecord available to the hearers of science, with shovels. He didn't create the world with brick and stone.

He said, "let there be..."

He used is word...

That is literacy and the ability to read and write.

But you need faith.

John reads "...through him all things were made" addressing the word and it's function.

So for all i know, someone might have used this gift, to produce computers (They are not handmade, imagine that), cars, ovens, and televisions. All things were created through him, for him, and to him.

But you need faith... that's the Ph D. and his diciples. He need people to make his ideas work.

Not through handicraft, for all i know only some wooden knives are made through handiwork, but through designing with paper and pen.

I do not wish you to be ignorant, and i speak to the scientist, to proclaim the authority of religion.

"Let there be..."
1. light,
2. a firmament
3. land
4. fish and creatures in the sea
5 cattle, beast of the feild and vagitation
6. humans
7. Sabbath

"let there be..."
an invention created by paper and pen "...a unicorn".

So were is my unicorn???

shunyadragon · Feb 19, 2018

12jtartar said:
Faithofchristian,
There are many, many things that I could say to refute the Theory of evolution, but a scientist, a mathematician that deals in exact science, calculated the chances that the Universe could be as it is without an Extremely wise and powerful creator, would be; all the atoms in the known Universe to 1. Slight chance, when it is also calculated that anything is impossible, if the chances are more than 40,000 to one.
Look at our natural world, everything you see is a miracle to us, but some claim that an unknowing Mother Nature Created what mankind cannot even understand, in its simplest!!!

Too high of a fog index, and a poor understanding of math, statistics and science in general.

No there are not a lot of [scientific] things you can say to refute evolution. There is no such thing as an 'unknowing Mother Nature' in science.

Jean Valjean · Feb 19, 2018

refutation of evolution, it's a theory, its confirmed through fossil record and data gathered to set up a set of conclusions.

Many christians has arguments against... many supporters defend the theory.

I listen to both sides.

I try to distinguish the diciplines and doctrines of the conclusions.

I have an idea...

No wait, that's delusions.

In school necessary

But according to the doctor...

... A decease

So even though I failed in natural science, i enjoy my religious ponder.

Heck I am 34 and already senile.

I forgot my age...

I am born 1983.. but i do not know were my first birthday should tangent to 83 or 84.

That cause confusion.

I lost one year.

I am an eternal student.

I study art.

I read a book, i biography with Vincent van Gogh.

He painted with forks and knives instead of a painting brush.

"Jue the pomme"

I don't eat apples...

... because i am in school.

Anyways, "let there be oil..."

Parhaps I should study oil...

There is an idea.

There exist information, gathered up by the oil rigg's lead, to make the production of oil work.

But we need workers.

"Let there be..."

"...1.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000~ for me"

I wont find the cash without assistance..

Can someone help me find the cash???

shunyadragon · Feb 19, 2018

Jean Valjean said:
refutation of evolution, it's a theory, its confirmed through fossil record and data gathered to set up a set of conclusions.

Many christians has arguments against... many supporters defend the theory.

I listen to both sides.

I try to distinguish the diciplines and doctrines of the conclusions.

I have an idea...

No wait, that's delusions.

In school necessary

But according to the doctor...

... A decease

So even though I failed in natural science, i enjoy my religious ponder.

Heck I am 34 and already senile.

I forgot my age...

I am born 1983.. but i do not know were my first birthday should tangent to 83 or 84.

That cause confusion.

I lost one year.

I am an eternal student.

I study art.

I read a book, i biography with Vincent van Gogh.

He painted with forks and knives instead of a painting brush.

"Jue the pomme"

I don't eat apples...

... because i am in school.

Anyways, "let there be oil..."

Parhaps I should study oil...

There is an idea.

There exist information, gathered up by the oil rigg's lead, to make the production of oil work.

But we need workers.

"Let there be..."

"...1.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000~ for me"

I wont find the cash without assistance..

Can someone help me find the cash???

Rather confusing prose.

Hey buddy, can you spare a dime? Wait . . . inflation, can you spare a Benji?

shunyadragon · Feb 19, 2018

Jean Valjean said:
This is what creation, and a literal interpretation of it is good for -it will grant you the authority to do like wise as the creator.

God didn't make the world by hire a construction company. Nor did he dig a pit, to find early lifeforms, dead indeed, the fossilrecord available to the hearers of science, with shovels. He didn't create the world with brick and stone.

He said, "let there be..."

He used is word...

That is literacy and the ability to read and write.

But you need faith.

John reads "...through him all things were made" addressing the word and it's function.

So for all i know, someone might have used this gift, to produce computers (They are not handmade, imagine that), cars, ovens, and televisions. All things were created through him, for him, and to him.

But you need faith... that's the Ph D. and his diciples. He need people to make his ideas work.

Not through handicraft, for all i know only some wooden knives are made through handiwork, but through designing with paper and pen.

I do not wish you to be ignorant, and i speak to the scientist, to proclaim the authority of religion.

"Let there be..."
1. light,
2. a firmament
3. land
4. fish and creatures in the sea
5 cattle, beast of the feild and vagitation
6. humans
7. Sabbath

"let there be..."
an invention created by paper and pen "...a unicorn".

So were is my unicorn???

The problem of ignorance is on your door step.

Jean Valjean · Feb 19, 2018

You're right...

This is my issue...

... or problem.

I sit in my studio...

...In a room on the roof...

...the town i live in has hunged themself!

More then 2/3 of this towns population is cast to sick bed.

It is a damned town...

...A ghost town.

Someone is drawing in the threads over the poes.

I rarely see people out side

Just empty dolls...

...Vagrants...

...Vultures...

...Gypsys???

Reminds me of the word, destruction and misery is in their way.

It is ruin town...
...poked out on some few maps...

And a married woman hold me prisoner, my steward.

She with-hold my sallary...

... and is with-holding me my mail.

I try to flee, i've tried...

...I even heard the lamentation on violin, for the death of this town.

It's desolate.

It's cruel.

Someone desolated the hospital, and police station...

...The health central too.

I can't find the owner of the dolls in this huge dollhouse...

... I try, but all i see is empty poes!

That's my issue.

I try to read most of what you said... but I am blunted and vague.

ThePainefulTruth · Feb 19, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
One fact to Refute evolution.

To test something, that means it's not true, until it's tested to show it's true.

This why Christians don't have to test the bible all because Christians already know the Bible is true

Therefore Christians do not have to test the bible to see if it's qualified, We already know that the Bible is qualified.

If you're serious, may I recommend Logic 101. I was going to respond further, but then I'd look silly, looking like you'd fooled me into thinking you were serious.

`mud · Feb 19, 2018

""The bible has not been disproven by no Christians""
This should have told us something !!!

Jean Valjean · Feb 19, 2018

This helps me stay alive:

Faithofchristian · Feb 19, 2018

ThePainefulTruth said:
If you're serious, may I recommend Logic 101. I was going to respond further, but then I'd look silly, looking like you'd fooled me into thinking you were serious.

Well you are silly, to think you have to test something to know if it's true.

If you hold evolution as being true, then why do you have to test it.

That's why Christians do not have to test the bible, because we know it's true.

Subduction Zone · Feb 19, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
Well you are silly, to think you have to test something to know if it's true.

If you hold evolution as being true, then why do you have to test it.

That's why Christians do not have to test the bible, because we know it's true.

But you don't know it. Your error has been explained to you. All you have is mere belief. Luckily most Christians are not as ignorant as you are. Why do you attack your own religion with ignorance?

ImmortalFlame · Feb 19, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
Well you are silly, to think you have to test something to know if it's true.

If you hold evolution as being true, then why do you have to test it.

We do and have tested it - that's how we know it's true.

Faithofchristian said:
That's why Christians do not have to test the bible, because we know it's true.

How do you know it's true if you haven't tested it?

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