Revelation: People Do Not Test God. God Tests People.

james bond · Feb 17, 2018

This was revealed to me by God. Perhaps it was in regards to God not being testable, and I understood that he can't. He is an invisible unprovable God, so there was no argument from me in this regard. However, the statement is not what impressed me since I already knew. What impressed me was how he said it. The delivery was God-ish. It was very sobering similar to what one feels when hearing bad news.

So, what can we gain from this knowledge? I can only answer for myself and that is we humble ourselves before him and worship and obey, a sign of acceptance of his great gifts and humility to receive them. Each day we receive his gifts as the sun rises in the morn.

james bond · Feb 17, 2018

The second revelation is from me. To paraphrase Baba O'Riley, "I don't have to fight to prove I'm right." I do not have to convince each and every non-believer of what is true. How can I when even Jesus could not? Jesus stands in the way of everything and is the judge, jury and executioner.

What I fight for is creation science, for those who know me, and getting schools to teach it. The rest isn't my "beef," i.e. fight, but my own business. Don't be a wasteland, whether you're an adult or teenager.

Phantasman · Feb 17, 2018

If this appears under the gospel message, I can't find it. You may be thinking of tempt.

God tests no one, IMO. The pharisee's tested Jesus. Maybe the wording is confusing me.

Test is to prod ones knowledge. Tempt is to entice a reaction.

Grandliseur · Feb 17, 2018

[QUOTE="james bond, post: 5502934, member: 42884
Revelation: People Do Not Test God. God Tests People.
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True. Yet, perhaps false. It depends on the definition of what you mean by test.
The scriptures that speak of this speak of not testing God by our wickedness. If all we are doing is requesting aid when in need, for him to carry our daily load, that is according to his wishes. In fact, if a person is in serious trouble and does not ask for assistance, s/he is sinning, and God's wrath may well come upon that one's head. So, we must not test God by indulging in wickedness.

But, God does test people; however, he does not tempt people. Temptation comes from without our own hearts and sinful tendencies.

Psalm 78:
40 How often they rebelled against him in the wilderness
and grieved him in the desert!
41 They tested God again and again
and provoked the Holy One of Israel.
42 They did not remember his power
or the day when he redeemed them from the foe,
ESV

James 1:13 Let no man, being tempted, say, I am tempted of God. For God cannot be tempted by evil things, and himself tempts no one. 14 But every one is tempted, drawn away, and enticed by his own lust; 15 then lust, having conceived, gives birth to sin; but sin fully completed brings forth death. Darby

Job 23:10 But he knoweth the way that I take; he trieth me, I shall come forth as gold.

Sapiens · Feb 18, 2018

james bond said:
This was revealed to me by God. Perhaps it was in regards to God not being testable, and I understood that he can't. He is an invisible unprovable God, so there was no argument from me in this regard. However, the statement is not what impressed me since I already knew. What impressed me was how he said it. The delivery was God-ish. It was very sobering similar to what one feels when hearing bad news.

So, what can we gain from this knowledge? I can only answer for myself and that is we humble ourselves before him and worship and obey, a sign of acceptance of his great gifts and humility to receive them. Each day we receive his gifts as the sun rises in the morn.

What complete and utter claptrap, your explanation assumes more facts that are not in evidence than I care to enumerate.

Subduction Zone · Feb 18, 2018

james bond said:
This was revealed to me by God. Perhaps it was in regards to God not being testable, and I understood that he can't. He is an invisible unprovable God, so there was no argument from me in this regard. However, the statement is not what impressed me since I already knew. What impressed me was how he said it. The delivery was God-ish. It was very sobering similar to what one feels when hearing bad news.

So, what can we gain from this knowledge? I can only answer for myself and that is we humble ourselves before him and worship and obey, a sign of acceptance of his great gifts and humility to receive them. Each day we receive his gifts as the sun rises in the morn.

So your God is on par with Allah, Vishnu, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Subduction Zone · Feb 18, 2018

james bond said:
The second revelation is from me. To paraphrase Baba O'Riley, "I don't have to fight to prove I'm right." I do not have to convince each and every non-believer of what is true. How can I when even Jesus could not? Jesus stands in the way of everything and is the judge, jury and executioner.

What I fight for is creation science, for those who know me, and getting schools to teach it. The rest isn't my "beef," i.e. fight, but my own business. Don't be a wasteland, whether you're an adult or teenager.

People that know that they are wrong quite often make this claim. Perhaps you might want to think of a new tactic.

Twilight Hue · Feb 18, 2018

james bond said:
This was revealed to me by God. Perhaps it was in regards to God not being testable, and I understood that he can't. He is an invisible unprovable God, so there was no argument from me in this regard. However, the statement is not what impressed me since I already knew. What impressed me was how he said it. The delivery was God-ish. It was very sobering similar to what one feels when hearing bad news.

So, what can we gain from this knowledge? I can only answer for myself and that is we humble ourselves before him and worship and obey, a sign of acceptance of his great gifts and humility to receive them. Each day we receive his gifts as the sun rises in the morn.

Well if that was the case, one would think God would have not reveled such a pronouncement to just one sole person.

Is this some kind of insider thing?

Truthseeker · Feb 18, 2018

God always tests people in a new religion. That's why the Bible is not always clear. Sometimes He means it symbolically and everybody takes it literally. He doesn't tell you He means it symbolically because He is testing you.

james bond · Feb 22, 2018

Grandliseur said:
[QUOTE="james bond, post: 5502934, member: 42884
Revelation: People Do Not Test God. God Tests People.

True. Yet, perhaps false. It depends on the definition of what you mean by test.
The scriptures that speak of this speak of not testing God by our wickedness. If all we are doing is requesting aid when in need, for him to carry our daily load, that is according to his wishes. In fact, if a person is in serious trouble and does not ask for assistance, s/he is sinning, and God's wrath may well come upon that one's head. So, we must not test God by indulging in wickedness.

But, God does test people; however, he does not tempt people. Temptation comes from without our own hearts and sinful tendencies.

Psalm 78:
40 How often they rebelled against him in the wilderness
and grieved him in the desert!
41 They tested God again and again
and provoked the Holy One of Israel.
42 They did not remember his power
or the day when he redeemed them from the foe,
ESV

James 1:13 Let no man, being tempted, say, I am tempted of God. For God cannot be tempted by evil things, and himself tempts no one. 14 But every one is tempted, drawn away, and enticed by his own lust; 15 then lust, having conceived, gives birth to sin; but sin fully completed brings forth death. Darby

Job 23:10 But he knoweth the way that I take; he trieth me, I shall come forth as gold.

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I didn't know how God was tested before, so this is a nice post. From what I remember was Satan testing Jesus after his fast, as well as the Pharisees and Seducees in Matthew.

What I thought God meant was when people today want him to do something to reveal himself. Yet, the believers know that whatever he does, even if it is a miracle, will not convince every non-believer. And that the non-believers miss a very important point in putting the Lord to a test. I think it's impossible to convince all non-believers, but fortunately, to convert people is not for us to do. All we can do is express our love and devotion for the Lord.

dfnj · Feb 22, 2018

james bond said:
This was revealed to me by God. Perhaps it was in regards to God not being testable, and I understood that he can't. He is an invisible unprovable God, so there was no argument from me in this regard. However, the statement is not what impressed me since I already knew. What impressed me was how he said it. The delivery was God-ish. It was very sobering similar to what one feels when hearing bad news.

So, what can we gain from this knowledge? I can only answer for myself and that is we humble ourselves before him and worship and obey, a sign of acceptance of his great gifts and humility to receive them. Each day we receive his gifts as the sun rises in the morn.

How do you know what you've identified as God revealing to you or speaking to you is not just self-delusion. Maybe you are projecting what you think God would be like or say into some kind of imaginary projection of superstitious delusion.

I think when people become older and become adults the time for an imaginary friend might be over.

Grandliseur · Feb 22, 2018

james bond said:
Temptation comes from without our own hearts and sinful tendencies.

I should have said 'comes from within our own hearts' - sorry.

Jesus was tested by God, but tempted by the Devil, not God. The non-believers are acting wickedly in their requests since we are told that they 'are without excuse' ("; that they may be without excuse: 21 because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened.") Their empty arguments for things creating themselves is nothing but ways they have for excusing their wickedness and disbelief. God shall not avoid to pay the ones back what each deserve, even Christians will get this, with mercy if mercy is called for.

james bond said:
I think it's impossible to convince all non-believers, but fortunately, to convert people is not for us to do. All we can do is express our love and devotion for the Lord.

That is all we can do.

james bond · Feb 22, 2018

Sapiens said:
What complete and utter claptrap, your explanation assumes more facts that are not in evidence than I care to enumerate.

I can only think of one fact which you lack instead of "more facts that are not in evidence than I care to enumerate" for me. Yet, this one fact beats all of yours, and I won't enumerate it, either. Jesus and I will keep it to ourselves.

james bond · Feb 22, 2018

Subduction Zone said:
So your God is on par with Allah, Vishnu, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

No, my God is the Trinity. I think the last one is the atheists' god, and all it does is fly and scare people. Maybe it drops spaghetti on people's heads. That would be messy as the stains would be hard to remove from clothing.

james bond · Feb 22, 2018

Subduction Zone said:
People that know that they are wrong quite often make this claim. Perhaps you might want to think of a new tactic.

This is very important, and I guarantee that it will turn out to be very important for you one day. Jesus stands in front of everybody.

Subduction Zone · Feb 22, 2018

james bond said:
No, my God is the Trinity. I think the last one is the atheists' god, and all it does is fly and scare people. Maybe it drops spaghetti on people's heads. That would be messy as the stains would be hard to remove from clothing.

Are you trying to claim that your god is even lamer than that of others since it contradicts itself even more obviously than others do? And no the FSM is simply another of the vast number of gods invented by human beings. It would never do anything so sacrilegious as throwing spaghetti around. People come to him freely or not at all. It is the one religion that openly denies the use of violence in spreading of the Wholly Pasta. For your edification:

Subduction Zone · Feb 22, 2018

james bond said:
This is very important, and I guarantee that it will turn out to be very important for you one day. Jesus stands in front of everybody.

If you really believe then why use a tactic that tells us that you do not?

Twilight Hue · Feb 22, 2018

james bond said:
...... and I won't enumerate it, either. Jesus and I will keep it to ourselves.

That's because you have absolutely no choice but to keep it to yourself, for no other reason by which there's nothing anyone can do about making figments of a person's imagination come to life in the real world and actually communicate.

james bond · Feb 22, 2018

Nowhere Man said:
Well if that was the case, one would think God would have not reveled such a pronouncement to just one sole person.

Is this some kind of insider thing?

It probably is an insider thing because I immediately knew what he meant. However, I do not know how these things work. We all have the Holy Spirit (intuition), but this was something more. Again, the message is probably something many Christians know, but it was the way it was said. Maybe that's why he picked me. I don't know.

james bond · Feb 22, 2018

james bond said:
It probably is an insider thing because I immediately knew what he meant. However, I do not know how these things work. We all have the Holy Spirit (intuition), but this was something more. Again, the message is probably something many Christians know, but it was the way it was said. Maybe that's why he picked me. I don't know.

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