whats your beef with brexit?

Altfish · Feb 15, 2018

Notanumber said:
We are currently undoing the mess our parents and grandparents created for us back in the seventies when they allowed the UK to be sucked into the EU by calling it a different name.

You've still not told me one single specific benefit that I can look forward to when we are no longer a member.
I don't mean generalities like "We'll get our sovereignty back" or "We can trade with the rest of the world"
I mean a single benefit I will see and understand.

England my lionheart · Feb 15, 2018

Altfish said:
Not at all, of course they have a right to vote.
I'm just outlining what is happening. You didn't disagree with my summary, I note, you're just repeating the right wing echo chamber

I agreed its being handled poorly to put it mildly but nothing to do with right wing its just very apparent the depths remainers will sink to.

England my lionheart · Feb 15, 2018

Altfish said:
Not at all, of course they have a right to vote.
I'm just outlining what is happening. You didn't disagree with my summary, I note, you're just repeating the right wing echo chamber

I agreed its being handled poorly to put it mildly but nothing to do with right wing its just very apparent the depths remainers will sink to.

Altfish · Feb 15, 2018

England my lionheart said:
I agreed its being handled poorly to put it mildly but nothing to do with right wing its just very apparent the depths remainers will sink to.

Well what a surprise; when Brexit goes badly (all totally predictable before the vote) the blame falls on those who voted Remain.

One day, Leavers will take some responsibility for the mess they have got us into. Actually, they probably won't.

England my lionheart · Feb 16, 2018

Altfish said:
Well what a surprise; when Brexit goes badly (all totally predictable before the vote) the blame falls on those who voted Remain.

One day, Leavers will take some responsibility for the mess they have got us into. Actually, they probably won't.[/QUOTE

In truth remainers have at least tried to do whatever they can to put a spanner in the works along with an insipid may, democracy can be a *****, after all it got us into a farce via misinformation, sounds familiar?, taken a while but you have 30 ish years to change it, enjoy the concretec

Altfish · Feb 16, 2018

England my lionheart said:
In truth remainers have at least tried to do whatever they can to put a spanner in the works along with an insipid may, democracy can be a *****, after all it got us into a farce via misinformation, sounds familiar?, taken a while but you have 30 ish years to change it, enjoy the concretec

*Took me a while to work out that you'd actually replied to my post!
At a General Election if your side wins do you stop supporting your side? No you continue to support them and criticise the government, it is called an opposition.
I could argue that the Leavers should have accepted the 1973 referendum; but you didn't and you did everything in your power to overturn it.
Right you won in 2016; but please don't expect the 48% to support the mistake; we'll be have just like Farage, Rees Mogg, etc. did when we were members. I don't understand why you think otherwise??

Notanumber · Feb 16, 2018

At least this time the Government obtained the permission of the British people to leave the EU whereas back in 1973 the Government took us in without a mandate.

Because of Heath's dishonesty we never actually joined the Common Market. And so all the subsequent treaties that were signed were illegal.

An independent British Parliament would simply have to pass one short Act of Parliament and give notice to the EU and we would be out of this accursed club.

Was Britain Taken Into The EU Illegally?

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Altfish · Feb 16, 2018

Notanumber said:
At least this time the Government obtained the permission of the British people to leave the EU whereas back in 1973 the Government took us in without a mandate.

Because of Heath's dishonesty we never actually joined the Common Market. And so all the subsequent treaties that were signed were illegal.

An independent British Parliament would simply have to pass one short Act of Parliament and give notice to the EU and we would be out of this accursed club.

Do you really think we have a mandate for the type of Brexit we are about to receive?

I don't know what we're going to get, do you?

I thought we voted for no more immigration, £350m/week for the NHS, repealing all EU laws, blue passport, trade with despot nations...anything I've missed?

Altfish · Feb 17, 2018

I see the real reason for Brexit is starting to come to light...let's drop our food standards...

Revealed: rightwing groups plot to ditch EU safety standards on food and drugs

The Emperor of Mankind · Feb 17, 2018

Altfish said:
I thought we voted for no more immigration, £350m/week for the NHS, repealing all EU laws, blue passport, trade with despot nations...anything I've missed?

Rainbow-farting unicorns, streets paved with gold and the easiest round of beneficial trade negotiations of all time with every country that has something we like.

The Emperor of Mankind · Feb 18, 2018

England my lionheart said:
In truth remainers have at least tried to do whatever they can to put a spanner in the works

England my lionheart said:
I agreed its being handled poorly to put it mildly but nothing to do with right wing its just very apparent the depths remainers will sink to.

Since I'm seeing this accusation thrown out for what must be the dozenth time; can you go into explicit detail of what exactly Remain voters like myself and @Altfish, who have no access to the negotiation process and still don't have a clue what the **** is going on, are doing to "put a spanner in the works"?

Considering it's Brexiters who are in the driving seat of our political system right now there's literally nothing you can blame Remain voters for considering:

We didn't vote Leave;
We didn't vote in this legally questionable shower of poor-hating creationist retards;
We're not the ones twisting the Leave result to mean something it's not.

England my lionheart · Feb 20, 2018

Altfish said:
*Took me a while to work out that you'd actually replied to my post!
At a General Election if your side wins do you stop supporting your side? No you continue to support them and criticise the government, it is called an opposition.
I could argue that the Leavers should have accepted the 1973 referendum; but you didn't and you did everything in your power to overturn it.
Right you won in 2016; but please don't expect the 48% to support the mistake; we'll be have just like Farage, Rees Mogg, etc. did when we were members. I don't understand why you think otherwise??

Yes we won, back then in 1973 there wasnt the amount of information available so this was a more informed decision.

Altfish · Feb 20, 2018

From the propaganda spouted before the referendum, "Let's get our country back", "£350m per week for the NHS", "Let's take back control" the Brexit rabble have now lowered their tone some what and are now promising us...

"Brexit will not plunge Britain into 'Mad Max dystopia'" - I don't remember that slogan last June??

David Davis: Brexit will not plunge Britain into 'Mad Max dystopia' ...Well that's alright then :facepalm:

It is all about lowering expectations now.

Notanumber · Feb 20, 2018

This is what a knowledgeable man thinks about the situation.

Altfish · Feb 20, 2018

Notanumber said:
This is what a knowledgeable man thinks about the situation.

Any video that has the word "TRUE" in its title is giving you a clue, it is all lies.

Also posts that insinuate that I am not a knowledgeable man rub me up the wrong way.

Notanumber · Feb 20, 2018

Altfish said:
Any video that has the word "TRUE" in its title is giving you a clue, it is all lies.

Also posts that insinuate that I am not a knowledgeable man rub me up the wrong way.

It is only lies to those that can’t handle the truth.

Why does everything have to be about you?

You were not mentioned in my post. It is you and your ilk that like to personalise everything.

Altfish · Feb 20, 2018

Notanumber said:
It is only lies to those that can’t handle the truth.

Why does everything have to be about you?

You were not mentioned in my post. It is you and your ilk that like to personalise everything.

Have you read 1984 by George Orwell?

Notanumber · Feb 20, 2018

Altfish said:
Have you read 1984 by George Orwell?

That is why we are leaving, good deal or not.

Altfish · Feb 20, 2018

Notanumber said:
That is why we are leaving, good deal or not.

Is it?

Airstrip One will be our home and we will trade with Eurasia and Eastasia instead of Oceania. What fun

Boris can be head of The Ministry of Truth; Nigel head of Ministry of Love
May will continue to practice Doublespeak

Notanumber · Feb 20, 2018

Altfish said:
Is it?

Airstrip One will be our home and we will trade with Eurasia and Eastasia instead of Oceania. What fun

Boris can be head of The Ministry of Truth; Nigel head of Ministry of Love
May will continue to practice Doublespeak

At least we will be able to vote those that rule over us in or out of office.

Where is the accountability in the EU?

Do you think George Orwell would have voted to remain?

whats your beef with brexit?

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