If you have read the bible, what primary lesson did you learn?

Faithofchristian · Feb 8, 2018

Carlita said:
Once I read it more closely, I found out what I didnt believe. That let me explore what called to me and gave me a foundation (with The Church) and definition of spirituality. As a result, I learned more intimately about Buddhism, took the precepts, and havent left ever since.

If I hadnt read the bible and went into The Church Id know nothing about spirituality. I wasnt raised that way until I moved alone in a christian area.

Outside of that, I didnt learn anything unique. It reminds me more of politics than something I can base my life on.

Ok, I have a question for you, Since you made mention of spirituality.

In the book of Genesis 3:20, In the spirituality, Why is Eve called the mother of all living, in the spirituality context, Who's the living ?

In Mark 9:9, in the spirituality, what does it mean, That Christ be risen from the dead, Who's the dead in the spirituality context ?

Unveiled Artist · Feb 8, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
Ok, I have a question for you, Since you made mention of spirituality.

Hm. Right/Wrong what is the purpose of the questions in relation to my post?
It seems more like investigation to a debate when there is no point/reasoning behind it.

Faithofchristian said:
In the book of Genesis 3:20, In the spirituality, Why is Eve called the mother of all living, in the spirituality context, Who's the living?

Whose the living? Guessing human beings. Spirituality isn't strictly bible based.

Faithofchristian said:
In Mark 9:9, in the spirituality, what does it mean, That Christ be risen from the dead, Who's the dead in the spirituality context ?

Christians why, who else would be risen unless you mean some rise to christ and others not?

What is the reasoning behind these questions?

Faithofchristian · Feb 8, 2018

Carlita said:
Hm. Right/Wrong what is the purpose of the questions in relation to my post?
It seems more like investigation to a debate when there is no point/reasoning behind it.

Whose the living? Guessing human beings. Spirituality isn't strictly bible based.

Christians why, who else would be risen unless you mean some rise to christ and others not?

What is the reasoning behind these questions?

The reason behind these questions, is to get to know the difference between the Spiritual living and the spiritual dead.

Speaking in the spiritual, this does not include all human beings, As Eve being the mother of.

So in Genesis 3:20--" And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living"
This being the Spiritual living.
Let's take Atheists they are Spiritual dead to God. They have no spiritual awareness of God, Thereby they are Spiritual dead to God.

Therefore you have the Spiritual living and the Spiritual dead.

Christ being risen form the dead. This being the Spiritual dead. Those who have no spiritual awareness of Christ and God.

For Christ came into the world to give light, to those who are in Spiritual darkness, being Spiritual dead.

Unveiled Artist · Feb 8, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
The reason behind these questions, is to get to know the difference between the Spiritual living and the spiritual dead.

Speaking in the spiritual, this does not include all human beings, As Eve being the mother of.

So in Genesis 3:20--" And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living"
This being the Spiritual living.
Let's take Atheists they are Spiritual dead to God. They have no spiritual awareness of God, Thereby they are Spiritual dead to God.

Therefore you have the Spiritual living and the Spiritual dead.

Christ being risen form the dead. This being the Spiritual dead. Those who have no spiritual awareness of Christ and God.

For Christ came into the world to give light, to those who are in Spiritual darkness, being Spiritual dead.

Spirituality is not based on christian criteria. It's a general word in how people relate to the world whether it be by morals, religion, or their faith or however they call it.

One of many reasons I'm not christian is I do not feel right having this type of viewset: your faith is defined by my criteria. It would be more appropriate to ask what I base my spirituality or faith on.

Lends for a better conversation. It's not one-sided.

Faithofchristian · Feb 8, 2018

Carlita said:
Spirituality is not based on christian criteria. It's a general word in how people relate to the world whether it be by morals, religion, or their faith or however they call it.

One of many reasons I'm not christian is I do not feel right having this type of viewset: your faith is defined by my criteria. It would be more appropriate to ask what I base my spirituality or faith on.

Lends for a better conversation. It's not one-sided.

The whole Christian bible is base on Spirituality. This is why the bible speaks of the Spiritual living and the Spiritual dead.

Alot of people will say, the bible says nothing about Atheists, All but it does have alot to say about Atheists, the bible may not come right out and say Atheists.

The bible uses the term Spiritual dead, in reference to the Atheists and the like.

Because being Spiritual dead, means they have no spiritual awareness of God, So in turn they are Spiritually dead to God.

But also Spiritual dead can also be in reference to Christians also.

If Christians has no Spiritual awareness of the 3 heavens and earth ages, Then they are Spiritually dead.

Let's take this in one step more, In the bible the book of John 5:25--"Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, When the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live"

Note Christ Jesus said, The hour is coming, and now is, This being those that are Spiritually dead that if they now hear his voice and turn away from their Spiritual deadness shall live.

Note Christ Jesus also said, " The dead " this being in reference to the Spiritual dead.of having no spiritual awareness of Christ Jesus or God.
But if at some time during their life and they hear the voice of the Son of God and turn away from their Spiritual deadness, they shall live.

Note that in 1st Thessalonians 4:16, And the dead in Christ shall rise first"

The dead here are the Spiritually dead, that shall rise first to be taken to judgement. Then we which are live ( Spiritually alive ) that is, shall be with Christ for a Thousand years.

Unveiled Artist · Feb 8, 2018

Tell me. How does this supposed to affect me? What are you trying to get me to do and understand-to-change?

Faithofchristian said:
The whole Christian bible is base on Spirituality. This is why the bible speaks of the Spiritual living and the Spiritual dead.

The christian bible is your criteria of spirituality.

Why put it on me?

Faithofchristian said:
Alot of people will say, the bible says nothing about Atheists, All but it does have alot to say about Atheists, the bible may not come right out and say Atheists.

The Bible does.

Why is that important to me?

Faithofchristian said:
The bible uses the term Spiritual dead, in reference to the Atheists and the like.

Yes. I agree. That does not apply to me.

Do you know more about me than me?
From my point of view or from yours?

Faithofchristian said:
Because being Spiritual dead, means they have no spiritual awareness of God, So in turn they are Spiritually dead to God.

Yes. And....?

Faithofchristian said:
But also Spiritual dead can also be in reference to Christians also.

Yes...

Faithofchristian said:
If Christians has no Spiritual awareness of the 3 heavens and earth ages, Then they are Spiritually dead.

Okay.

Faithofchristian said:
Let's take this in one step more, In the bible the book of John 5:25--"Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, When the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live"

Nods.

Faithofchristian said:
Note Christ Jesus said, The hour is coming, and now is, This being those that are Spiritually dead that if they now hear his voice and turn away from their Spiritual deadness shall live.

Okay.

Faithofchristian said:
Note Christ Jesus also said, " The dead " this being in reference to the Spiritual dead.of having no spiritual awareness of Christ Jesus or God.
But if at some time during their life and they hear the voice of the Son of God and turn away from their Spiritual deadness, they shall live.

Okay.

Faithofchristian said:
Note that in 1st Thessalonians 4:16, And the dead in Christ shall rise first"

Okay.

Faithofchristian said:
The dead here are the Spiritually dead, that shall rise first to be taken to judgement. Then we which are live ( Spiritually alive ) that is, shall be with Christ for a Thousand years.

Okay.

So, am I supposed to change with this knowledge?

If I expressed the suttas to you about you changing to believe in The Dharma, how would you feel about that?

IF you wouldn't care, why would you think I would?

URAVIP2ME · Feb 10, 2018

Serenity7855 said:
The problem here is that of interpretation. My interpretation may be way off in your eyes, however, it works for me and fits in perfectly. To be perfect is to exist without sin, to be sinless. Something that is an impossibility since Adam left the Garden of Eden. The scriptures tell us that no unclean thing can dwell in the presence of God. So how are we to become perfect again, that means physically as well as spiritually, as God is, which is another area worthy of debate. God allowed Jesus to come to earth specifically to atone for the sins of all mankind and to release the bonds of death over them through His resurrection, as His body was perfected, witnessed by the Disciples and the 500. It is, therefore, through Christ that we may become perfect, even as He and our Father in Heaven are perfect. All we need do is to ask God, through His son, Jesus Christ, who intercedes on our behalf, to forgive us of our sins, and if we ask in faith, nothing wavering and with real intent, our sins will be forgiven of us.
Where perfection will come into its own will be on the day of judgement when the books will be opened and we will be judged for our works during our mortal probation. All of us will be found sinners and incapable of dwelling with God. however, all of us will receive a perfected body, salvation, however, through the Grace of God we can be saved and enter into the presence of God .
It is then that the atonement works for us. If we have drawn upon the atonement of Christ and have sought forgiveness for our transgressions, then the atonement will make us perfect as our sins will have been forgiven and our bodies perfected. It is at this moment that we will become perfect, even as our our Father in heaven is perfect, allowing us to be in Gods presence and not shrink and die. That is what I believe. For me it works. I have reasoned myself into these set of events that explain our very existence. This is a huge subject. This is a very condensed version.

Thank you for your reply. I too find Jesus intercedes as our ' mediator ' as found at 1 Timothy 2:5.
Since 'death ' is the total price tag that sin pays - Romans 6:7; Romans 6:23, then there is No post-mortem judgement about what happened before death for resurrected ones on Judgement Day ( Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth ). The 'new books opened' will be for what happens after resurrection.
Since the wicked are destroyed forever (Psalms 92:7) they have already received their destruction judgement.
Jesus gets rid of the wicked by the words from his mouth according to Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16.
So, the wicked will Not be around to be part of the new books.
The resurrection is for the just and unjust ( Not the wicked ) as per Acts of the Apostles 24:15.

Besides a hope for the dead, I find there is a coming ' Judgement Day ' for people living on Earth.
There is the judgement between the figurative humble 'sheep' and the haughty 'goats' of Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
The humble 'sheep' are judged as righteous or upright in Jesus' eyes. They can remain alive on Earth, and continue to live on Earth, saved right into the start of calendar Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year day of governing over Earth in righteousness for a thousand years. Although still imperfect the ' sheep ' can become part of the humble meek who will inherit the Earth as Jesus promised at Matthew 5:5 ( Psalms 37:9-11) .
During Jesus' millennial reign righteous mankind will be healed, and thus have perfectly healthy hearts, minds, and bodies in fulfillment of Revelation 22:2 when earth's nations will be healed.
Mankind on Earth will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' on Earth.
Thus, Jesus fulfill's God's promise to father Abraham as found at Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18 that ALL families and ALL nations of earth will be blessed, blessed with the coming benefit of healing for perfected mortal bodies.

URAVIP2ME · Feb 10, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
In the book of Genesis 3:20, In the spirituality, Why is Eve called the mother of all living, in the spirituality context, Who's the living ?
In Mark 9:9, in the spirituality, what does it mean, That Christ be risen from the dead, Who's the dead in the spirituality context ?

Before breaking God's Law, both Adam & Eve were upright meaning leaning /only towards what is righteous.
So, although physically mortal creation they could have a 'spiritual life style' by listening to their Creator Father.
Christ chose a spiritual life style. The Son of man at Mark 9:9 is the physically dead Jesus until his Father resurrects Jesus out of the grave as per Acts of the Apostles 2:27, 31-32. Since Jesus had a per-human life before God sent Jesus to Earth, then God resurrected Jesus back to his heavenly spirit body which he had before coming to Earth.

On the other hand, everyone who Jesus' resurrected had a healthy physical resurrection to live life again on Earth.
So, Jesus was giving us a small resurrection preview, a coming attraction, of what he will be doing on a grand-global scale while governing over Earth for a thousand years when there ' will be ' (future tense) a resurrection.....
- Acts of the Apostles 24:15. At that time there will be ' healing ' (health) for earth's nations as per Revelation 22:2.

savagewind · Feb 10, 2018

What I learned. I learned that to do this is what I want. Zephaniah 2:3 Seek Jehovah, all ye meek of the land, who have performed his ordinance; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of Jehovah's anger.

Also,

Psalm 22:26
The afflicted will eat and be satisfied; Those who seek Him will praise the LORD. Let your heart live forever!
Psalm 57:1
For my soul takes refuge in You; And in the shadow of Your wings I will take refuge Until destruction passes by.
Psalm 105:4
Seek the LORD and His strength; Seek His face continually.
Isaiah 1:17
Learn to do good; Seek justice, Reprove the ruthless, Defend the orphan, Plead for the widow.
Isaiah 26:20
enter into your rooms And close your doors behind you; Hide for a little while Until indignation runs its course.
Amos 5:14
Seek good and not evil, that you may live; And thus may the LORD God of hosts be with you, Just as you have said!

URAVIP2ME · Feb 10, 2018

Shadow Wolf said:
Not if he thinks we humans can be perfect.

Certainly Not in the state mankind is in; in since father Adam and mother Eve passed down imperfection to us.
What the Bible really teaches I find is that humans can be perfect again. Perfect in heart, mind and body as Adam was in perfect health before his downfall.
As Revelation 22:2 reveals there will be ' healing ' for earth's nations. That is because Jesus will fulfill God's promise to Abraham ( Genesis 12:3; 22:18) that ALL families of Earth will be blessed, and ALL nations of Earth will be blessed. Blessed with the benefits that come with healing.
Such as: Isaiah 33:24 wrote that No one will say, " I am sick.....", and chapter 35 of Isaiah.

2ndpillar · Feb 11, 2018

savagewind said:
What I learned. I learned that to do this is what I want. Zephaniah 2:3 Seek Jehovah, all ye meek of the land, who have performed his ordinance; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of Jehovah's anger.

And what does "have performed his ordinance; seek righteousness mean? And what happens to those who have not sought righteousness, "in the day of Jehovah's anger"? And who was Zephaniah's audience?

2ndpillar · Feb 11, 2018

URAVIP2ME said:
Such as: Isaiah 33:24 wrote that No one will say, " I am sick.....", and chapter 35 of Isaiah

And who was Isaiah speaking about? (Isaiah 33:20) And who were the people who live there? (Isaiah 33:24) & (Ezekiel 37:15-25) And who were left outside of the gate? (Revelation 22:14 & 15)

2ndpillar · Feb 11, 2018

URAVIP2ME said:
Before breaking God's Law, both Adam & Eve were upright meaning leaning /only towards what is righteous.
So, although physically mortal creation they could have a 'spiritual life style' by listening to their Creator Father.
Christ chose a spiritual life style. The Son of man at Mark 9:9 is the physically dead Jesus until his Father resurrects Jesus out of the grave as per Acts of the Apostles 2:27, 31-32. Since Jesus had a per-human life before God sent Jesus to Earth, then God resurrected Jesus back to his heavenly spirit body which he had before coming to Earth.

On the other hand, everyone who Jesus' resurrected had a healthy physical resurrection to live life again on Earth.
So, Jesus was giving us a small resurrection preview, a coming attraction, of what he will be doing on a grand-global scale while governing over Earth for a thousand years when there ' will be ' (future tense) a resurrection.....
- Acts of the Apostles 24:15. At that time there will be ' healing ' (health) for earth's nations as per Revelation 22:2.

And what was the consequence of Adam breaking God’s Law? And what is the consequence of man breaking God’s Law today. Is there someone who also teaches that you “have been released from the Law” (Romans 7:6), and as with the “serpent”, you will not die ( 1 Thessalonians 4:17).

Truly Enlightened · Feb 11, 2018

I have learned that a 2700 year old Hebrew/Greek book of stories, allegories, and myths, compiled, edited, and commissioned by man, can make very good people do very bad things. Don

savagewind · Feb 11, 2018

2ndpillar said:
And what does "have performed his ordinance; seek righteousness mean? And what happens to those who have not sought righteousness, "in the day of Jehovah's anger"? And who was Zephaniah's audience?

I think you mean what happens to those who have not FOUND righteousness. Right?

savagewind · Feb 11, 2018

2ndpillar said:
And who was Zephaniah's audience?

I have been taught that the Bible was written for everyone. Is this not true?

2ndpillar · Feb 11, 2018

savagewind said:
I have been taught that the Bible was written for everyone. Is this not true?

Most of the bible was directed at Israel and Judah. Your Zephaniah quote was directed primarily at "Judah" and "Jerusalem" (Zecphaniah 2:4), which was restored (Joel 3:1) in 1967. It is also directed at those "who have turned their back from following the LORD". (Zephaniah 1:6).

2ndpillar · Feb 11, 2018

savagewind said:
I think you mean what happens to those who have not FOUND righteousness. Right?

I was right the first time. Zephaniah 2:3, "seek righteousness". The ability to "distinquish between righteous and the wicked" (Malachi 3:18) is set for when "He will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold" (Malachi 3:3), a day when "every evildoer will be like chaff and the day that is coming will set them ablaze" (Malachi 4:4).

savagewind · Feb 11, 2018

2ndpillar said:
Most of the bible was directed at Israel and Judah. Your Zephaniah quote was directed primarily at "Judah" and "Jerusalem" (Zechaniah 2:4), which was restored (Joel 3:1) in 1967. It is also directed at those "who have turned their back from following the LORD".

If it is not for us, then what good is it, in your opinion?

savagewind · Feb 11, 2018

2ndpillar said:
I was right the first time. Zephaniah 2:3, "seek righteousness". The ability to "distinquish between righteous and the wicked" (Malachi 3:18) is set for when "He will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold" (Malachi 3:3), a day when "every evildoer will be like chaff and the day that is coming will set them ablaze" (Malachi 4:4).

Is that for every evil doing in Israel and Judah?

If you have read the bible, what primary lesson did you learn?

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