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Since we are at the “end times” what are the revelations of Daniel 12:10?

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
The "wicked" per Daniel 12:10, would be those who will not understand. According to Matthew 13:49, they would be compared to those without "good fruit", the tares, and in Matthew 13:41, compared to "those who commit lawlessness". In Revelation, the "wicked" would be in juxtaposition of the "saints", who "keep the commandments" (Revelation 14:19).

Those who are "purified", would be the "third part" of the "little ones" who were brought through the refining fire. (Zechariah 13:7-9). The rest "perished".


I didn't ask you for all those other books of the bible.
I ask you how does Daniel 12:10 fit into the book of Revelation

How does Daniel 12:10 and the book of Revelation fit together.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I didn't ask you for all those other books of the bible.
I ask you how does Daniel 12:10 fit into the book of Revelation

How does Daniel 12:10 and the book of Revelation fit together.

Those who have insight (Daniel 12:10), are the righteous (Daniel 12:3), who keep the Commandments (Revelation 14:19), which I just referred to. The "wicked", the lawless of Matthew 13:41, would be in juxtaposition of the righteous, who "keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Yeshua (Revelation 12:17). As a follower of Paul, the false prophet, you would be in the flock of the tares, shown as the "wicked" (Matthew 13:49), those "doomed to slaughter" (Zechariah 11:7). The time of distinguishing the wicked from the righteous, is behind the door (Malachi 3:18). Of course, those with "insight", don't have to wait.
 
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2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
We have been in the end times since Christ's ascension.

We have been in the "tribulation" since the "falling away", which started with Peter (Zechariah 13:7) & (Matthew 26:31). There will be time, times and half a time following the beast of (Daniel 7:25). We are in the era of 8th head of the beast with 10 horns (Rev 17:10-11). The 4th kingdom (Daniel 7:23) encompasses the 4th, the 5th, the 6th, and 7th head of the beast. The 8th head is the one who "was and is not" at the time of the writing of Revelation.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Those who have insight (Daniel 12:10), are the righteous (Daniel 12:3), who keep the Commandments (Revelation 14:19), which I just referred to. The "wicked", the lawless of Matthew 13:41, would be in juxtaposition of the righteous, who "keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Yeshua (Revelation 12:17). As a follower of Paul, the false prophet, you would be in the flock of the tares, shown as the "wicked" (Matthew 13:49), those "doomed to slaughter" (Zechariah 11:7). The time of distinguishing the wicked from the righteous, is behind the door (Malachi 3:18). Of course, those with "insight", don't have wait.


Why do you keep avoiding the question.

How does Daniel 12:10, fit into the book of Revelation.
And you say I'm a tare and you can't even put Daniel 12:10 and Revelation together.
Your to funny.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Can we please have references for your interpretation of the scriptures? Do you belong to a brotherhood who shares your views? Or is this your personal interpretation of the scriptures you cite?How do you know that what you believe is even true?

If you have no brotherhood, then I am afraid that you are talking out of the top of your head.
God does not use just one person in dealing with his "people" collectively. He has a "nation" (Acts 15:14) who bear his name, and to whom he reveals his will, through ones that he has appointed to lead them. Who leads you?

I hope you took a breath during that tirade. The devil/Satan has been ruling the earth long before 1914.

I don't see that there was ever a suggestion of this. It is Jesus who began to rule in his Kingdom in 1914.
The last days began when Jesus was enthroned and his first act as King was to cleanse the heavens....he evicted satan and his demons from heaven down to the earth to try their hardest to gain more victims for the place that they know they are headed. (Revelation 12:7-12)

God will not stop them because this is a judgment period, and I believe that those who make their choices now, will never be able to change their minds. Once we are given our designation...."sheep" or "goat"...that is final.

He was given permission to sift Peter, and he influenced Judas,

He has not stopped trying to derail the faith of humans since Eden. That is obvious.

Satan, the “dragon”, is the authority behind the beast with 7 heads (Revelation 13:4), which represents the kings, ranging from the 1st head of the beast Nebuchadnezzar, to the 8th head of the beast, who has been ruling during the period following the 7th head of the beast.

Satan is the unseen ruler of this world and as he told Jesus in Luke 5:6-7...he can give rulership to whomever he pleases.

"Then the Devil said to him: “I will give you all this authority and their glory, because it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. 7 If you, therefore, do an act of worship before me, it will all be yours.”

The “great tribulation” has yet to begin, and follows the sun will be darkened, solar eclipse, which just recently happened, “the moon will not give its light”, l lunar eclipse, which just happened in January, “and then the “sign of the son of man will appear”

Yes, celestial phenomenon is to mark the days leading up to the greatest tribulation this world has ever seen. (Matthew 24:21) We await it with keen anticipation.

When the “sky splits apart like a scroll”, and “every mountain and island “are moved, then you will know to “hide from the presence of him who sits on the throne” (Revelation 6:14-16). Those with the “mark of the beast” will then drink the “wine of the wrath of God” (Revelation 14:10).

Too late then to change your mind....but God's people will not be the victims of this time of trouble.
We believe that this is the time for earth's unbelieving inhabitants to account to their Maker.

Isaiah 26:20-21...
"Go, my people, enter your inner rooms, And shut your doors behind you. Hide yourself for a brief moment
Until the wrath has passed by.

21 For look! Jehovah is coming from his place To call the inhabitants of the land to account for their error,
And the land will expose her bloodshed And will no longer cover over her slain.”



By the way, what is the mark of the beast?

It is a mark on the hand and on the forehead that signifies that you support the devil's entire system of things....they own you because you will not be able to "buy or sell" without this mark, indicating your enforced loyalty. This is why JW's steer clear of all political activity. Our neutrality prevents us from being entangled in any of that. We obey our rulers but we are not owned by them.

And who is the beast with two horns like a lamb?

Who is like a dragon but pretends to be a Lamb? It is a governmental alliance that pretends to have their citizens best interests at heart but who sacrifice its sons and daughters on the alter of war with nothing more than self interest as its motive. This beast has those who will die for the piece of cloth that represents it. Its nationalism is its religion, made to seem more important than its professed faith, so that the vast majority have no idea just who they are supporting in reality. (1 John 5:19) The lid is being lifted as God promised, and when people see how they have been duped into supporting an evil and corrupt system, they are going to be very, very angry. They have swallowed the propaganda hook, line and sinker.

2 Peter 3:10..."Jehovah’s day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be exposed."

That expose' is taking place right now.....people are waking up, thanks to the real truth being disseminated on the internet, not the fake news of the controlled media.

As for your “theocratic rule”, David will be king over the combined stick of Judah and Israel (Ezekiel 37:15-28). At that time, the nations/Gentiles, will be ruled with a “rod of iron” (Revelation 19:15).

Theocratic rule is rule by God. He has appointed his Christ to be the Chief Commander of his kingdom that will be brought in at the appointed time and it will "crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever." This is what the whole Bible is about.....the coming of God's Kingdom to undo all that the devil's rulership has done to mankind and to the earth itself.Only then can "God's will be done on earth as it is in heaven".

Those who are expecting theses events to unfold very soon and very suddenly, will welcome what others will dread.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
We have been in the "tribulation" since the "falling away", which started with Peter (Zechariah 13:7) & (Matthew 26:31). There will be time, times and half a time following the beast of (Daniel 7:25). We are in the era of 8th head of the beast with 10 horns (Rev 17:10-11). The 4th kingdom (Daniel 7:23) encompasses the 4th, the 5th, the 6th, and 7th head of the beast. The 8th head is the one who "was and is not" at the time of the writing of Revelation.


Are you freaking kidding me, The falling away hasn't even happen yet. The man of sin, the son of perdition has not yet come.
until the middle of the Tribulation.

And you say the falling away already happen, that shows that you have no knowledge about the book of Revelation.

You can't even explain what the number 666 Represents in the book of Revelation.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Are you freaking kidding me, The falling away hasn't even happen yet. The man of sin, the son of perdition has not yet come.
until the middle of the Tribulation.

And you say the falling away already happen, that shows that you have no knowledge about the book of Revelation.

You can't even explain what the number 666 Represents in the book of Revelation.

Slow down, don't get a heart attack. There is no 666. The original manuscript was 616, and that is the number of a man, who was the instituter of the Roman Church, which "deceived" "those who dwell on the earth", and as directed by Sol Invictus in 312 A.D., he conquered the world under the sign of the cross, using the false prophet Paul's false gospel of the cross. If you would read Matthew 26:31, the flock has already been "scattered". (Zechariah 13:7). You might try reading your bible. Hopefully, it isn't the KJs bible. As for the "man of sin" (Romans 7:6), that would be Paul, talking about himself, and he is already dead.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
We have been in the end times since Christ's ascension.

The end times have a purpose.....what do you think it is it for?

What did Jesus do when he went back to heaven?

What have the last 2,000 years accomplished?
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Can we please have references for your interpretation of the scriptures? Do you belong to a brotherhood who shares your views? Or is this your personal interpretation of the scriptures you cite?How do you know that what you believe is even true?

If you have no brotherhood, then I am afraid that you are talking out of the top of your head.
God does not use just one person in dealing with his "people" collectively. He has a "nation" (Acts 15:14) who bear his name, and to whom he reveals his will, through ones that he has appointed to lead them. Who leads you?



I don't see that there was ever a suggestion of this. It is Jesus who began to rule in his Kingdom in 1914.
The last days began when Jesus was enthroned and his first act as King was to cleanse the heavens....he evicted satan and his demons from heaven down to the earth to try their hardest to gain more victims for the place that they know they are headed. (Revelation 12:7-12)

God will not stop them because this is a judgment period, and I believe that those who make their choices now, will never be able to change their minds. Once we are given our designation...."sheep" or "goat"...that is final.



He has not stopped trying to derail the faith of humans since Eden. That is obvious.



Satan is the unseen ruler of this world and as he told Jesus in Luke 5:6-7...he can give rulership to whomever he pleases.

"Then the Devil said to him: “I will give you all this authority and their glory, because it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. 7 If you, therefore, do an act of worship before me, it will all be yours.”



Yes, celestial phenomenon is to mark the days leading up to the greatest tribulation this world has ever seen. (Matthew 24:21) We await it with keen anticipation.



Too late then to change your mind....but God's people will not be the victims of this time of trouble.
We believe that this is the time for earth's unbelieving inhabitants to account to their Maker.

Isaiah 26:20-21...
"Go, my people, enter your inner rooms, And shut your doors behind you. Hide yourself for a brief moment
Until the wrath has passed by.

21 For look! Jehovah is coming from his place To call the inhabitants of the land to account for their error,
And the land will expose her bloodshed And will no longer cover over her slain.”





It is a mark on the hand and on the forehead that signifies that you support the devil's entire system of things....they own you because you will not be able to "buy or sell" without this mark, indicating your enforced loyalty. This is why JW's steer clear of all political activity. Our neutrality prevents us from being entangled in any of that. We obey our rulers but we are not owned by them.



Who is like a dragon but pretends to be a Lamb? It is a governmental alliance that pretends to have their citizens best interests at heart but who sacrifice its sons and daughters on the alter of war with nothing more than self interest as its motive. This beast has those who will die for the piece of cloth that represents it. Its nationalism is its religion, made to seem more important than its professed faith, so that the vast majority have no idea just who they are supporting in reality. (1 John 5:19) The lid is being lifted as God promised, and when people see how they have been duped into supporting an evil and corrupt system, they are going to be very, very angry. They have swallowed the propaganda hook, line and sinker.

2 Peter 3:10..."Jehovah’s day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be exposed."

That expose' is taking place right now.....people are waking up, thanks to the real truth being disseminated on the internet, not the fake news of the controlled media.



Theocratic rule is rule by God. He has appointed his Christ to be the Chief Commander of his kingdom that will be brought in at the appointed time and it will "crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever." This is what the whole Bible is about.....the coming of God's Kingdom to undo all that the devil's rulership has done to mankind and to the earth itself.Only then can "God's will be done on earth as it is in heaven".

Those who are expecting theses events to unfold very soon and very suddenly, will welcome what others will dread.

You are a little confused. If the time of the "great tribulation" hadn't been "cut short", not even the "elect" would have survived. (Matthew 24:22) If you don't have a strong door to shut (Isaiah 26:20), you might just as well follow the example of everyone else and seek shelter under the rocks (Revelation 6:16).

As for the "dragon", the devil, who gives his "authority" to the "beast" (Revelation 13:4), which is the government, he doesn't pretend to be a lamb, his "false prophets" are dressed as lambs (Matthew 7:15). That would continue on through to your "leaders" (Matthew 23:10).

You are not judged by your false faith, you are judged by your deeds (Matthew 24:49), and how you judge others. On the other hand, because you worship the mark of the beast, the cross, the symbol of the false prophet (Paul), the beast (Constantine), and the dragon (Sol Invictus), it will be necessary for you to drink of the "wine of the wrath of God" (Revelation 14:10).
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
The end times have a purpose.....what do you think it is it for?

What did Jesus do when he went back to heaven?

What have the last 2,000 years accomplished?

If you would read Hosea 5 - 6, you would find out. Judah and Israel have been under judgment (tribulation), which will only end after 2 days/2000 years when they "acknowledge their guilt" (Hosea 5:15). As for the nations/Gentiles, their confession Jeremiah 16:19, is "our fathers have inherited nothing but falsehood", kind of how you got where you are at.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Can we please have references for your interpretation of the scriptures?in any of that. We obey our rulers but we are not owned by them.
God will not stop them because this is a judgment period, and I believe that those who make their choices now, will never be able to change their minds. Once we are given our designation...."sheep" or "goat"...that is final.
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New American Standard Bible
"Again, when a wicked man turns away from his wickedness which he has committed and practices justice and righteousness, he will save his life.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
You are a little confused. If the time of the "great tribulation" hadn't been "cut short", not even the "elect" would have survived. (Matthew 24:22) If you don't have a strong door to shut (Isaiah 26:20), you might just as well follow the example of everyone else and seek shelter under the rocks (Revelation 6:16).

As for the "dragon", the devil, who gives his "authority" to the "beast" (Revelation 13:4), which is the government, he doesn't pretend to be a lamb, his "false prophets" are dressed as lambs (Matthew 7:15). That would continue on through to your "leaders" (Matthew 23:10).

You are not judged by your false faith, you are judged by your deeds (Matthew 24:49), and how you judge others. On the other hand, because you worship the mark of the beast, the cross, the symbol of the false prophet (Paul), the beast (Constantine), and the dragon (Sol Invictus), it will be necessary for you to drink of the "wine of the wrath of God" (Revelation 14:10).

Wouldn't it be funny if you just judged yourself?
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You didn't answer my question......can you?

"Do you belong to a brotherhood who shares your views? Or is this your personal interpretation of the scriptures you cite? How do you know that what you believe is even true?"
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
New American Standard Bible
"Again, when a wicked man turns away from his wickedness which he has committed and practices justice and righteousness, he will save his life.

You actually have to do that before the end comes.....Once you see Jesus come as judge, all fates are sealed. "Like the days of Noah", Jesus said.....who closed the door of the ark?
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
You actually have to do that before the end comes.....Once you see Jesus come as judge, all fates are sealed. "Like the days of Noah", Jesus said.....who closed the door of the ark?

Well, since the "son of man" has not arrived, "coming on the clouds", following the stars falling from the sky (Matthew 24:29-31), you had better repent and turn to "righteousness".

Since you neither have an "ark" or a solid door to close (Isaiah 26:20), it looks like you will be caught unaware.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Wouldn't it be funny if you just judged yourself?
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You didn't answer my question......can you?

"Do you belong to a brotherhood who shares your views? Or is this your personal interpretation of the scriptures you cite? How do you know that what you believe is even true?"

Even the 144,000 will go through the great tribulation, but with the "seal of the living God" on their forehead to ward off locusts (Revelation 9:4). Your worry should be what is the "seal of the living God". You need to "come out of her", which would be your version of the "daughter of Babylon", your "brotherhood" of "shepherds who have no understanding" (Isaiah 56-11) & (Revelation 18:4). On the other hand, those who think they have a bypass ticket, a covenant with death (Isaiah 28:18), they will be first in line for the "overwhelming scourge" (Isaiah 28:18).
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Why do you keep avoiding the question.

How does Daniel 12:10, fit into the book of Revelation.
And you say I'm a tare and you can't even put Daniel 12:10 and Revelation together.
Your to funny.

You are asking the impossible. There is no way the "wicked" can understand (Daniel 12:10). My explanation was directed towards those with eyes to see, and ears to hear. Your question was answered, but you have neither eyes to see, nor ears to hear. That leaves the "wicked" howling at the sky.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
You are asking the impossible. There is no way the "wicked" can understand (Daniel 12:10). My explanation was directed towards those with eyes to see, and ears to hear. Your question was answered, but you have neither eyes to see, nor ears to hear. That leaves the "wicked" howling at the sky.


Who said anything about the wicked ?

I ask You how does exactly Daniel 12:10
fit into the book of Revelation.

Again your to funny, when in fact you showed nothing how Daniel 12:10 Fits into the book of Revelation.

So if your referring that you have eyes to see and ears to hear

Ok by all means explain in the book of
Mark 13, Christ Jesus fortold what the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is and when it will happen and by who can commit it.

Now since you claim, that you have eyes to see and ears to hear, what the Spirit of God is saying, then by all means explain exactly what Christ Jesus is saying ?

You said it, now prove yourself. That you have eyes to see and ears to hear what the Spirit of God is saying.

Note that in 1st Thessalonians 5:21--"Prove all things"
Therefore you are called by the word of God to prove to what you say.
 

Skipper

Wrong is wrong,/ Make America moral again.
The end times have a purpose.....what do you think it is it for?

What did Jesus do when he went back to heaven?

What have the last 2,000 years accomplished?

  1. I leave the purpose of the end times in God's hands. He does not dance to my interpretation.
  2. He sits on the right hand of the Father.
  3. Accomplished in what area?
 

Skipper

Wrong is wrong,/ Make America moral again.
We have been in the "tribulation" since the "falling away", which started with Peter (Zechariah 13:7) & (Matthew 26:31). There will be time, times and half a time following the beast of (Daniel 7:25). dWe are in the era of 8th head of the beast with 10 horns (Rev 17:10-11). The 4th kingdom (Daniel 7:23) encompasses the 4th, the 5th, the 6th, and 7th head of the beast. The 8th head is the one who "was and is not" at the time of the writing of Revelation.

I do not worry about the end times as they are in God's hands ... so why should I be concerned?
 
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