Who/what is Satan? Who is Lucifer? //question for Christians only

74x12 · Feb 6, 2018

74x12 said:
Well notice it switches from talking about the "prince" of Tyre(who is obviously a human) to the "king" of Tyre. That's important because in ancient Tyre as in most ancient cities they would have a certain "patron" god or goddess. This patron god would be considered the "king" of Tyre. The ancient people of Tyrus(also known as Tyre) would have probably known "Baal" as the king of their city. He was again considered the "king of the gods" in Canaanite mythology. This Baal is identified elsewhere as satan by the Hebrew prophets.
In Isaiah 14 he is identified with the "king of Babylon". This is interesting because no doubt Marduk the patron god of Babylon would have been considered also the "king of Babylon". He was after all the "king of the gods" and is equivalent to the Canaanite "Baal".
In verse 13 it says "For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:" This word "north" in Hebrew is Zephon and is the name of the mountain that the Canaanites believed was the dwelling place of none other than Baal. The connection between Marduk and Baal is obvious from the ancient pagan perspective. The ancient pagans regularly equated their own pantheons to those of foreign nations. Thus Marduk and Baal would have been equated as the same god. The fact that Marduk was also called Bel Marduk is also well known. Marduk even throws lightening bolts in one legend.
In Matthew and Mark "beelzebub" is identified as the prince of devils. This is most likely the same Baalzebub the god of Ekron that is mentioned in 2 Kings chapter 1.
Finally in the book of Revelation chapter 2; the city Pergamos was identified as the place where satan has his seat. This city (also known as Pergamon) had an altar to Zeus that was shaped as a seat or throne. Thus, satan is most likely being identified with Zeus was considered the king of the gods by the Greeks and is also the god of lightening and thunder just as the Canaanite Baal who was the god of storms. Again it's important to understand that to the ancient pagans all these gods were the same but just named differently by different nations.
In conclusion, Satan is Biblically identified with Baal, Marduk and Zeus. The similarities between these gods mean they would have been considered as one and the same by the ancient pagans. Here we have a clear identity for satan who truly has been the counterfeit god throughout the ages. And in the portrait of these deities we find the way satan wants people to view him.

Of further interest is how each of these gods was not the original god but became the king of the gods. For example Zeus had to defeat the titans including his own father Cronos. Here we see satan's rebellious nature.

So while the mythology surrounding these pagan deities is what satan would like to think about himself; the Bible pictures satan in a different way. In Revelation chapter 12; it shows him in a way reminiscent of "Lotan" who was the ancient Canaanite 7 headed dragon who lived in the sea. This Lotan is probably one with Leviathan of the book of Job. The knowledge of such a creature was common in the ancient near-east. The Greeks knew of "Hydra" who had 7 heads according to some. The reason this knowledge was so well known was because it was in the knowledge of certain constellations. The book of Job is probably speaking of a constellation when it mentions the "crooked serpent" (Job 26:12). This crooked serpent constellation is probably the constellation Hydra which comes from the ancient Babylonian snake constellation. In Isaiah 27:1 the crooked serpent is again mentioned in connection with the "dragon that is in the sea".

In the Bible Leviathan is:
stirred up(or awoken) by witchcraft (Job 3:8)
Young's Literal Translation: Let the cursers of day mark it, Who are ready to wake up Leviathan.
Psalm 74:15 has multiple heads, in Hebrew head is plural
Job 41:1-34, called king of the proud. (This is clear sign of satan who sinned because of pride) He is fierce fighter, powerful foe
Job 26:13 crooked serpent – likely to be constellation “Hydra” - from Babylonian snake constellation.
In Sumerian mythology: Ninurta kills 7 headed serpent called “mus-sag”

I no longer agree with everything I said here. I'm always learning.

Dantedeven · May 26, 2018

Aaah the story of Satan, he is the biggest ******* ever.

Lucifer was an archangel, one of the smartest of God's court.
Thus God called him Lucifer, because he was brilliant.
Far more cunning that all the other creatures God hath made.
And Lucifer was tasked with igniting stars and causing destruction whereever he wanted.

And like all archangels have an unique strength that balances out the power struggle between them; Lucifer's strength was having free will.
And like all other archangels, Lucifer had dominion over several lesser angels, who later all sinned thanks to the influence of Satan.
These angels were called Danjal, Armen, Artaqifa, Azazel, Samjaza, Kokabel,Turael, Rumjal, Baraqel, Neqael, Armaros,Batarjal, Jetrel, Rumael, Busasejal, Hananel, Simapesielm Turel and Tumael before they all were somehow able to break free under God's control and sin after Lucifer's fall.
And Lucifer thought he was superior over all the archangels, but Michaël is stronger than Him.

And when God created Adam, all angels had to pledge allegiance towards Adam and vow to protect Adam.
And since God's angels have no free will, this was no problem.
All did this in sync except Lucifer, for He had free will and pride.
Lucifer's desire was always to be equal to God, but to God, Lucifer bowed many times, for Lucifer is haughty, not stupid.

Yet for Adam, Lucifer denied to bow.
And he said that Flames were superior to Adam, who was from earth.
And he said that he could prove to God that he was superior, because man would betray God and worship him instead of God.
And God said something like: "Then if flames are superior, be burned Lucifer"

And God burned Lucifer's body completely.
And God took the mind and the soul of lucifer and made them one.
And God casted Lucifer from heaven, to dwell on the earth.
And God instructed him to not return to heaven, nor to be known under the name He gave him, Lucifer.

And God said, that he would spare Lucifer's mind and soul and restore his body if he could prove that he told the truth.
And the only way Lucifer could prove it was to make all of mankind sin.
And make all of mankind pledge allegience towards lucifer, and not God.
And he has a set time period.

So Lucifer adopted the name: Satan, and Satan hates mankind.
And Satan hates Enoch the most of all mankind.
And Satan has no body and can only influence by lies and such.
But there will be an false prophet and that will be the embodiment of Satan.

And he is an Ghost, a powerful one.
And he is an liar, do not listen to him.
Because he hates everything.
He basically said that God is good and he is Evil.

While in fact; God neutral and he is on parole.

Jesuslightoftheworld · Jan 5, 2020

Desert Snake said:
Who is Satan?
Who is Lucifer?
Do you think he is real?

Explain your beliefs regarding this

In my understanding Lucifer was God’s angel who because of his pride thought he could be like God or as powerful as God. So God cast him out of Heaven forever. I’m not sure how he became Satan or if it it really matters, but Lucifer, Satan, the devil; it’s all the same to me, is the enemy. Though some Luciferinians would disagree. I just spent too much time thinking about him.

Who/what is Satan? Who is Lucifer? //question for Christians only

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