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sex and abrahamic religions

pandamonk

Active Member
Please show me any passage in the Bible where it says not to engage in premarital sex. Also please show me any passage which explains the wedding ceremony. Would Christians be in agreement with me when i say that when Jesus says that, no should break the bond between to people that God has made, he is talking about marriage? Would you also agree that Jesus also says that God created a bond, sexual intercourse, which joins two into one? If you agree, and do not provide the passages asked for, then you must see that God intended sex to be marriage, and therefore sex before biblical marriage is impossible.

This is just my opinion and interpretation of the Bible. But it seems to me no more illogical than accepting abstinence.
 

Mister_T

Forum Relic
Premium Member
pandamonk said:
Please show me any passage in the Bible where it says not to engage in premarital sex. Also please show me any passage which explains the wedding ceremony. Would Christians be in agreement with me when i say that when Jesus says that, no should break the bond between to people that God has made, he is talking about marriage? Would you also agree that Jesus also says that God created a bond, sexual intercourse, which joins two into one? If you agree, and do not provide the passages asked for, then you must see that God intended sex to be marriage, and therefore sex before biblical marriage is impossible.

This is just my opinion and interpretation of the Bible. But it seems to me no more illogical than accepting abstinence.
Funny, that was my very first thread topic. You'll find that no such passage exists. Strictly dogma.
 

Ezzedean

Active Member
Is this with the old and new? I know the Quran makes it very clear within it's text that there should be no pre-marital sex. Would having sex before marriage be a form of Adultery? You are having sex with someone other than your wife. Just an idea, not saying that it is the case.
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
Tangnefedd said:
If you are over 18 your sex life is none of your parent's business. We were more than happy for our adult kids to sleep with their partners under our roof, why not?
Sorry, but if I'm going to get stuck sheltering my kids and raising my grandkids because "adult" children who are still living under my roof think they're ready for sex (and raising kids), then it certainly is my business.

I raised my kids. They can bleeding well raise theirs.

Anyone who is ready to raise their grandchildren can make another choice, natch.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Tangnefedd said:
If God creaqted sex then he should expect us to enjoy the activity!
Perhaps God created it for some purpose other than for us to entertaining ourselves. The fact that He gave us a sex drive doesn't mean that He expected us to use it indescriminately.
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
Katzpur said:
Perhaps God created it for some purpose other than for us to entertaining ourselves. The fact that He gave us a sex drive doesn't mean that He expected us to use it indescriminately.

Although I have always maintained that sex is a proof that one of the attributes of God is Humour. ;)
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Booko said:
Although I have always maintained that sex is a proof that one of the attributes of God is Humour. ;)
:D Yeah, I think you're right, and I do think sex is something He wants us to enjoy -- just within the bounds He has set.
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
Katzpur said:
:D Yeah, I think you're right, and I do think sex is something He wants us to enjoy -- just within the bounds He has set.
"Bounds" is a good term, and reminds me of how I explain the subject to the kids. We all understand somehow, and accept, that there are some things in life that have limits.

For example, is there anyone here that would drop their drawers in the middle of the street and take a dump? Or would they at least find a shrub somewhere if no privvy is available? For some odd reason, no one rails against these limits on an activity that is absolutly necessary to life.

Sex has an important place in life, but there are limits on where and when it's appropriate. We can argue about whether certain limits are correct or not, but I've never met anyone who argued there should be no limits at all.

I just find it sort of amusing sometimes that the arguments about limits on sex can get so strident, but there are no arguments about limits on other bodily functions. Things that make you go hmmm
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
MdmSzdWhtGuy said:
Did you "nearly do it" at age 13? I think the extremely young age (13) is the major point, not the premarital status.

B.

Not me, but I had friends who grew up in very similar homes who did.
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
pandamonk said:
Please show me any passage in the Bible where it says not to engage in premarital sex. .


Why does it have to be in the Bible. If your (or mine in this case) has much more then the Bible, then does my belief have to have it's basis completley and utterly in the Bible without any of the extra that I believe in?
 

Ezzedean

Active Member
jamaesi said:
Being a virgin does not mean one is STD-free or "healthy."

I didn't say that all virgins were healthy. Look at the post again. As for a virgin being able to have an STD; this is true, but it would be from comitting a sexual act in which he/she shouldn't have been doing. Again, within the text of the Quran men and women aren't supposed to engage in any sexual activity until marriage.

Peace and Blessings
 

pandamonk

Active Member
Ezzedean said:
Is this with the old and new? I know the Quran makes it very clear within it's text that there should be no pre-marital sex. Would having sex before marriage be a form of Adultery? You are having sex with someone other than your wife. Just an idea, not saying that it is the case.
In the tims when the Qur'an and Bible were written women were considered to be the property of men, and therefore adultery was when a man had sex with another mans wife. So no, as long as thee woman was not wed, it was not adultary. With what I have said about se being marriage though, the act of having sex would join the two into onee, like marriage, and threfore if they were to have sex with anyonee else it would be polygamy, or adultary. I think it is only marriage if the woman is a virgin, so if she has sex with anyone but her first she commits adultary.
 

pandamonk

Active Member
Ezzedean said:
I didn't say that all virgins were healthy. Look at the post again. As for a virgin being able to have an STD; this is true, but it would be from comitting a sexual act in which he/she shouldn't have been doing. Again, within the text of the Quran men and women aren't supposed to engage in any sexual activity until marriage.

Peace and Blessings
You do not need to have caught a STD solely from sexual activity. If you had noticed my earlier post, you would have seen that i explained.
 

pandamonk

Active Member
beckysoup61 said:
Why does it have to be in the Bible. If your (or mine in this case) has much more then the Bible, then does my belief have to have it's basis completley and utterly in the Bible without any of the extra that I believe in?
Well Christianity is an Abrahamic religion, and in the OP it was asked why all Abrahamic religions have a problem with sex. I'm using the Bible to show the Christianity, I'm not talking about LDS or any others which don't solely rely on the Bible, doesn't have a problem with sex/premarital sex, and that it's only the believers(not all) who have this dogmatic view.
 

Peace4all

Active Member
Booko said:
Compare the odds of a child being raised in a good environment if the parents are serious enough to get married first, and that should explain it.

Oh, and before you mention we have birth control now -- heh heh I was on the pill, never missed one, and still got pregnant -- twice.

Nothing is 100% short of keeping your pants zipped. That's not a religious statement -- just a medical one.

I do think it's a bit much to expect people to remain celibate till their 25 and 30 though. Personally, I think the LDS have the right idea on this one -- getting married earlier is better. Though some parental input is beneficial to keep the infatuated from doing anything really stupid. :D



Oh My God!!! SO THAT’S WHAT CAUSES BABYS!!!!! :thud:

JUST KIDDING

Seriously thou catz sure does have a point


Muslim believe that all Abrahamic religions were sent by Allah; but over the past Centuries some religions have altered. It seems that when Allah makes rules he makes them for your own good. Such as pray 5 times a day because if not your less likely to remember him throughout the day, wait until marriage because it's possible you will get some sort of STD or unwanted pregnancies that can easily ruin your life.

That’s a major reason why Muslims are not supposed to have boy/girl friends. As a matter of fact in Muslim countries opposite gender is completely separated under culture. Some people in school ask me if I cant have a girl friend because Islam is a gay religion! That’s a pretty dumb question:slap: … that’s why I think every one should spend some time on this site to learn about different religions. The answer is Absolutely NOT. Not being able to even see a women's body and always being separated definitely decreases the chance of sex. I think a lot of religions make that mistake; they allow people to have boy friends and girl friends but when they get to sex there like NO NO NO you cant do that!! So Islam has all these defenses to decrease the chance of Adultery or fortification happening.

Maybe that’s why it seems like foreign people marry at like 19….

I can wait because personally I think sex is a little over rated. But then again I am only 14….:cover:
 

nutshell

Well-Known Member
pandamonk said:
You do not need to have caught a STD solely from sexual activity.

I don't disagree, but I'd like to know what you're referring to. What's the STD and how is it caught besides sexual activity?
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
Peace4all said:
Oh My God!!! SO THAT’S WHAT CAUSES BABYS!!!!! :thud:

JUST KIDDING


Haha, glad we could be of assistance in your education...

Muslim believe that all Abrahamic religions were sent by Allah; but over the past Centuries some religions have altered. It seems that when Allah makes rules he makes them for your own good. Such as pray 5 times a day because if not your less likely to remember him throughout the day, wait until marriage because it's possible you will get some sort of STD or unwanted pregnancies that can easily ruin your life.
Isn't it interesting that all religions have some sort of rule that limits sex to within marriage? Oh, I know there are some that believe that has to do with property rights and if we're not oppressing women and thinking of them as property any more we don't need those rules anymore.

If you think it's old-fashioned, hey, look at the difference in poverty rates for children in the past 30 years in this country. Maybe there was a point to those nasty rules after all?

That’s a major reason why Muslims are not supposed to have boy/girl friends. As a matter of fact in Muslim countries opposite gender is completely separated under culture. Some people in school ask me if I cant have a girl friend because Islam is a gay religion! That’s a pretty dumb question:slap:
Wow, that is an incredibly dumb question!

I don't know that it's necessary to seperate people by gender, but I do think there's something to be said for the concept of modesty. I remember a conference of religions we had a Emory years ago, when the local imam said that Islam believes in prevention. And that's very true -- if you put modesty into practice in daily life, it's so much less likely that people would end up having kids they can't support, basing relationships on infatuation alone, and the other negative things that come from doing things in life in the wrong order.

I think a lot of religions make that mistake; they allow people to have boy friends and girl friends but when they get to sex there like NO NO NO you cant do that!! So Islam has all these defenses to decrease the chance of Adultery or fortification happening.
I haven't been much of a fan of the American notion of dating. Anyone can seem nice for a 2-hour movie and one hour over dinner. And the pressure on people is really more severe that you'd think. How much better if people just get to know each other through other means...going out on group events, doing volunteer work, being in the school band...whatever works.

Our Baha'i youth who've tried both methods of getting to know people of the opposite sex have invariably said they prefer the methods that aren't one-on-one dating. You can relax, be yourself, and there's no fear of rejection. And you get a really good chance to know people better in circumstances like this.



I can wait because personally I think sex is a little over rated. But then again I am only 14….:cover:
As someone who's been married for over 20 years, and didn't get married until 26, let me warn you -- there is nothing stronger than a human drive for sex. Never, ever underestimate it.

Small wonder all religions have put limits on sex. It's a very powerful thing, with a lot of power to hurt as well.

Sex isn't overrated when you really love the person you're married to. But it does have it's place in life, and that place is not everywhere, anytime, with just anyone.
 

pandamonk

Active Member
nutshell said:
I don't disagree, but I'd like to know what you're referring to. What's the STD and how is it caught besides sexual activity?
Like i stated in an earlier post, HIV, aids, can be caught through sharing needles. Sometiems in poorer countries it is not possible not to share a needle so people are infected by aids. If it can happen with aids I'm sure it can happen with a lot of other things too.
EDIT: Not just through sharing needles. Any of an infecteds blood, that gets into another person can pass it on much more efficiently, and probably quickly, than through sexual activity. This is probably how Aids passed from chimps(i think)to humans.
 
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