Faithofchristian
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To answer your question, It's easy to know who and where Cain got his wife. It's all in the 6th day creation.
What is the mark of Cain, this too is easy, It's there in Genesis Chapter 4, what the mark of Cain is.
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Giants = Nephilim
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To answer your question, It's easy to know who and where Cain got his wife. It's all in the 6th day creation.
What is the mark of Cain, this too is easy, It's there in Genesis Chapter 4, what the mark of Cain is.
socharlie
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I think that Gen. 6 is a story of mixed DNA of modern man that have Neanderthal , Cro-Magnon and Denisovan mix. Denisovan looked like Andre The Giant and may referred as Nephilim.
Faithofchristian
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Only except the Nephilim Giant's would make Andre the giant look like a midget standing next to the Nephilim Giant's.
74x12
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Of course I believe Jesus was mainly referring to the complacency of the people before the flood. How they will live their lives marrying and giving in marriage etc. not heeding the coming destruction. I used the word "hint" for a reason. Yes I do believe Jesus is hinting of a nephilim return.
There is no Biblical reason for us to believe that fallen angels can no longer materialize. Demons? Yes I agree that they mostly cannot do so.
And I'm not saying it's one way or the other. But we have to take every bit of information in the Bible. It does say that they will mingle themselves with the seed of man. So who is "they" that are apparently different than the normal "seed of man"? That's a question worth asking.
I mostly agree.
Like I said, I'm not saying the Septuagint is correct. I'm just bringing out the information.
John D. Brey
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According to Jewish tradition Noah's wife Naamah was from the line of the nephilim. But since Noah's genealogy was pure, his seed kept their offspring from being born nephilim. God had commanded Noah to be fruitful and multiply. But he, like Abraham later, was impotent and couldn't fulfill the command. So he became distraught and started drinking. So Ham hatched a plot to secretly impregnate Naamah so that Noah would think he did it.
Unfortunately, Ham possessed recessive nephilim genes such that when combined with Naamah's, Canaan was born a full technicolor nephilim. The nephilim hid on the ark in the genes of Naamah and Ham. . . But don't be too perturbed by that. Our so-great salvation required it. Without Canaan, Jesus could not have been born. . . Had the flood completely destroyed the nephilim Jesus wouldn't have been born.
The Lord works in mysterious ways.
John
Faithofchristian
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What proof is there, that the Nephilim got to this side of the flood of Noah's by Ham and his wife.
I've heard many excuses as to how the Nephilim made it thru the flood of Noah's, one being the Nephilim held on to the side of the ark of Noahs.
This is all because people can not figure out how exactly the Nephilim came to be on this side of the flood of Noah's.
74x12
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We're talking about basically a return of fallen angels(different fallen angels probably) after the flood to again impregnate women.
Yet these spies were never rebuked for saying the Nephilim were there. They were only rebuked for claiming that they could not be beaten even though they saw all the miracles and everything God had been doing. So, if the spies report that the Nephilim were in the land you should take it seriously. You at least have to admit they ran into a rather sizable giant "Og king of bashan"
I'm sorry but I believe you're mistaken. Peter actually uses the word "Tartaros" which is translated as "hell" but it's slightly different from the word "Hades". (2 Peter 2:4) It was from Greek mythology the prison of the gods. Basically any god or godlike being who made the gods angry enough was put in Tartaros. Where as humans went to Hades. The point of Peter using this word(Tartaros) is in order to describe something like the bottomless pit where satan has not yet been sent. If he was; then we wouldn't have to deal with him. satan is not going into tartaros/the bottomless pit until Jesus second coming.
Therefore, although yes apparently those angels who sinned before the flood by taking wives have been locked away. There remains satan and other fallen angels. Perhaps the ones who were not locked away did not previously take wives before the flood. However, there is nothing stopping them from doing so after the flood. At least not until God says enough is enough.
Yes!
Alright
John D. Brey
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. . . That's a funny question. Canaan. We know Ham slept with Naamah. We know if Noah's pure genealogy was required to sanctify their offspring then recessive nephilim genes remain in Noah's offspring such that so long as these genes don't mix with other nephilim genes there's no problem.
The story of Ham "uncovering the nakedness" of his father is the key. Throughout the Tanakh "uncovering the nakedness" of a man means to have sex with his wife.
John
Faithofchristian
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All you have is speculation, there is no proof of Ham and his wife as having the genes of the Nephilim.
People can not explain how the Nephilim got to this side of the flood of Noah's, So people will come up with all sorts of things to support their reasoning
socharlie
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may be, the most remains found are within Andre's range some 7.5-8 feet tall.
74x12
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Like I said, I'm not saying it's the right translation. I find it interesting the Hebrew scholars of those days(when they translated the Septuagint) felt the need to translate this passage as speaking of giants.
A pure assertion on your part. It's really the most obvious way to read the Genesis chapter 6 account. The "sons of seth" theory is from fairly recent Rabbis and Christian writers.
The word nephilim (fallen ones) could be referring to the fallen angels themselves. Or else it could be a word designating giant beings. As in they are fellers. Or they can fell people etc. I agree the word "Rephaim" (giants) doesn't come into Genesis 6 directly. Yet, we can infer it from reading further in the Bible. And in the Septuagint for example Nephilim is translated as giants.
Angels can size themselves accordingly.
I think the point of whether or not their children were giants is only secondary to the main point here which is that angels had offspring with earth women.
Faithofchristian
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If you studied out about the size of the Nephilim Giant's, you would have seen, that the Nephilim Giant's were more taller than 7 to 8 feet tall, more like 20 to 36 feet tall.
Look go to your search engine and put in
Beginning and end.com bloodline of the Nephilim
Here they have an extensive background check on the Nephilim Giant's, a whole series on the Nephilim Giant's in the bible
John D. Brey
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. . . I think you're underestimating the power, need, and legitimacy of speculation, and supporting reasoning with logical argument. ------Without those things we have religious tyranny that thinks the world is flat and god damn anyone who thinks otherwise.
John
Faithofchristian
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The only reason people try to say that one of Noah's sons wives must haved carried the gene of the Nephilim Giant's, is because they can not find no other explanation of how the Nephilim Giant's got to this side of the flood of Noah's.
So people come up with, it must have been one of Noah's sons wives that had the Nephilim Giant's Gene in them.
All this does is show their illiteracy of the scriptures.
John D. Brey
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. . . Illiteracy comes partwise from lack of care in reading and study. For instance, I'm not sure why you're talking to me about one of Noah's son's wives? I've never mentioned anything of the sort.
John
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For what possible reason could God want the Nephilim back, when he wiped them out so spectacularly?
He stopped the demons from materializing so that the Nephilim would never be seen again.
Fallen angels are demons. Is there something that makes you believe otherwise?
There are good angels and bad angels....do you know why?
Demons can "possess" (anchor themselves) with material things and people, which is why the flood destroyed every material thing on earth....there was nowhere for the wicked angels to go. If they stayed in the flesh, they would probably have drowned like their monstrous children.....so having no choice, God forced them back to the spirit realm where he dealt with them by stripping them of the ability to form human bodies ever again.
You will notice from the scriptures however, that faithful angels still possessed this ability when delivering God's messages to his human servants. In his Law, God forbade his people to communicate with spirits by any means. (Deuteronomy 18:9-12) That was to protect them from being influenced by wicked spirits who would now have to communicate through such things as spirit mediums, fortune tellers or astrology. The demons impersonate the dead and mislead people, fooling them into believing satan's first lie..."you surely will not die"....God said they would if they disobeyed. Who was lying? (John 8:44)
We can take the Bible at its own word, without reading things into it from our own imagination. The Bible is a fascinating book in its own right, so why add things?
Daniel 2:40-43.....
40 Then there will be a fourth kingdom as strong as iron; inasmuch as iron crushes and shatters all things, so, like iron that breaks in pieces, it will crush and break all these in pieces. 41 In that you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, it will be a divided kingdom; but it will have in it the toughness of iron, inasmuch as you saw the iron mixed with as common clay. 42 As the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of pottery, so some of the kingdom will be strong and part of it will be brittle. 43 And in that you saw the iron mixed with common clay, they will combine with one another in the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, even as iron does not combine with pottery." (NASB)
How do you read this?
As I understand this prophesy, the fourth Kingdom is Rome....iron-like in its conquests and military power. This is the legs of the image. But you will notice no distinct difference when it comes to the feet and toes. This is a mixture of iron and clay.....what does this indicate? It is a known historical fact that Rome was not conquered by any other kingdom. Rome decayed from within. It fell due to its own decadence and hedonism. Out of its ashes arose four other kingdoms.
Until the 17th century, Britain was a relatively insignificant power. Three other regions of the old Roman Empire—Spain, the Netherlands, and France—were far more influential. Britain plucked those powers out one by one, removing them from their positions of prestige. By the mid-18th century, Britain was on its way to become the dominant power on the world scene.
The British Empire ruled the sea with a vast navy and many ships equipped for war. It took control of many lands which it colonized. This meant that the British had citizens of many nations that did not mix well with the blending of very different cultures. When the Monarchy was effectively replaced by democracy, (the Monarch now more of a figurehead than an actual ruler) the USA, (formerly a British colony, but now an independent nation) recombined with Britain to produce a powerful alliance on the world scene. It became one of the superpowers of the 20th, and 21st centuries.....but it did not have the absolute power of Rome.
The prophesy said..."some of the kingdom will be strong and part of it will be brittle. 43 And in that you saw the iron mixed with common clay, they will combine with one another in the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, even as iron does not combine with pottery."
What is there about democracy that weakens its power....robbing it of being an absolute rulership? Isn't it the way the government is given its power? The whole system is weakened by its own elements. A Government "by the people" means that they can weaken a government's hold over them, fighting for rights and eventually winning those battles through its own systems.
There is so much in the Bible all by itself......just read it and see what history teaches you....
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Would you like the world to be more wicked than it already is? Is there not enough violence and bloodshed already? Look at the entertainment industry.....movies, computer games, TV shows...all graphically violent.
Would you like the world it be any more like Sodom and Gomorrah? There is no sexual morality left in the world.
Why do you think God would let them do it again? Satan and his minions have already done enough!
"Tartarus" is mentioned only once in scripture. In the Christian Greek Scriptures, it is a prisonlike abased condition into which the disobedient angels of Noah’s day were cast. At 2 Peter 2:4, the use of the verb tar·ta·roʹo (to “cast into Tartarus”) does not signify that “the angels who sinned” were cast into the pagan mythological Tartarus (like the underground prison and place of darkness for the lesser gods you described). Rather, it indicates that they were abased by God from their heavenly position and were delivered over to a condition of deepest mental darkness respecting God’s purposes. They are given no spiritual enlightenment at all.
The Scriptures show that everlasting destruction along with their ruler, Satan the Devil will be their fate. Therefore, Tartarus denotes the lowest condition of abasement for those rebellious angels. It is not the same as “the abyss” spoken of at Revelation 20:1-3.
I can't imagine why God would imprison only some of satan's minions and not their leader and the whole lot of them. What would be the point? Spirits can survive in two states of being....materialized in the flesh, meaning that that they could eat and drink and have sex like any other humans....and in their invisible spiritual state where they can exist without those things. Satan and his demons have been confined to their invisible spiritual state, unable to produce any more children. Why would God let them do it again?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Where are the bones and artifacts?
Faithofchristian
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I guess you haven't been paying attention, many have been found.this is why I gave the web address for the bloodline of the Nephilim,
Here's the web address again, put in your search engine
Beginning and end.com bloodline of the Nephilim
You may find all your questions being answered.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'm talking about University or academic sources. Particular in the field of forensic archaeology.
There have been "giant" humans found and dig sites like Saudi Arabia and China, the largest from my understanding being 1.9 meters which translates to 6ft 2in in height. But generally speaking, people had a much lower stature in those days, so 1.9 m or 6 ft 2 in was unusually tall.
Many of these larger "skeletons" are pure hoaxes and I haven't seen any proper review or academic sources verifying that such has been found as the case.