@12jtartar You might think that giving me an explanation of your belief would be a lot easier than giving me your coat and your shirt.
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Jehovah's Witnesses Knocked on My Door
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The Matthew verse does not seem to apply to the precediing statement.
I believe then that it is up to the Holy Spirit if a word is ok or not.
savagewind,
If you truly want to know something, read and try to understand the Scriptures I cite, 2Peter 3:15,16, says that the ignorant and the unsteady twist Scripture, to their own destruction. It makes no difference whether it is done on purpose or because of ignorance. I said that I believe that twisting the Scriptures on purpose means that a person is purposely trying to mislead a person as to what tha Bible is saying. That could cause that person tp lose out on everlasting life. Even Hitler is not as bad, because he could only kill the body, but that has nothing to do with everlasting life, because God can resurrect that person, BUT if a person deceives a person, and teachs false doctrine, he could cause God to destroy him, which would end his chance for everlasting life.
I don’t remember if I mentioned to you that there are only three branches of knowledge called Learned Professions, Medicine, Law and Religion. It takes many years to Learn what is needed to teach these other fields. How much more important it is to make sure you know Bible truth, or you should not try to teach, everlasting life is a stake, for the hearer and the teacher.
What you are doing is very dangerous, just as Jesus warned the Scribes and Pharisees, Matthew 23:13,27. Also Romans has a warning, Romans 1:18. Also 1Thessalonians 2:13-16, 2Peter 3:17, and very important, Colossians 2:8, 2Peter 2:1-9.
savagewind,
What is written in the Bible was Inspired by God, His Spirit guided the men who spoke or wrote His words. I sIs that it could very well be that a person who changes God’s word, could be calling the Holy Spirit a lier. Remember sin against The Holy Spirit will not, ever be forgiven, 2Timothy 3:16, 2Peter 1:20,21, Matthew 12:30-32.
Oh, come on! I am not a teacher of God's word. Why are you applying those scriptures to me?
By the way, just so you know, it is not convenient for most readers to switch back and forth between the forum and the reference.
Matthew 23:13 Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
Matthew 23:27 Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.
Romans 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
1 Thessalonians 2:13-16 And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe. For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God's churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone
2 Peter 3:17 Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position.
Colossians 2:18 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.
2 Peter 2:1-9 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment f he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)-if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment
Matthew 23:13 Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
Matthew 23:27 Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.
Romans 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
1 Thessalonians 2:13-16 And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe. For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God's churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone
2 Peter 3:17 Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position.
Colossians 2:18 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.
2 Peter 2:1-9 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment f he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)-if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment
So, now that it is in real black and white, think about this, if you will. YOU, a Jehovah's Witness who professes to be "in the truth", are applying those words of God to haha me, a lone poster on the forum, who if truth be told, has zero followers.
But, it's funny.
But, it's funny.
I try not to be confused. Perhaps soon there might be a Watchtower article which warns about existing confused. What do you think?
This is just plain lovely. I am assuming that you, @12jtartar are not of the governing body. Am I right?
I think that you might know that I was one. I know that it is a fact that the governing body does not teach its followers to seek Jesus to be with him. I am pretty sure that has not changed in the last 5,6,7,8 or whatever years it has been,
Read Matthew 12:30. Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.
But, actually, I have not read anything anywhere where
anyone has claimed to be with him. Do I have to say more?
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God is great! God is good! But, how many people know that God is funny?
Hahqahqhqhahaha I mean, I was a JW. And, if I knew that this I suppose there is no word for it will come out good for good I might even be thanking God for the Jehovah's Witnesses.
Hahqahqhqhahaha I mean, I was a JW. And, if I knew that this I suppose there is no word for it will come out good for good I might even be thanking God for the Jehovah's Witnesses.
But, probably not.
savagewind,
Are you now trying to twist my words as you seem to do to Scripture??? I cited 2Peter 3:15,16, which says that either ignorance or untaught will get you destroyed. That is why James said, Not many of you should be teachers brothers, because we shall receive a heavier judgement.
Remember what Jesus said about false prophets who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves, and by their fruits you will know them, Matthew 7:16,17. Then Jesus said that not everyone that said to him,Lord, Lord, shall enter The Kingdom of Heaven, but the ones doing the will of my Father in Heaven will. Jesus saw that their hearts were not right to believe, just as he said at Matthew 13:15.
I suggest that you pray to God for His Holy Spirit to help you to be more like a small child that asks questions so he can learn, Matthew 18:2-7.
Jesus said something very unusual about the Holy Scriptures, he said at Luke 10:21, that the wise and intellectual ones cannot understand, but babes can!! Watch out for your heart, Proverbs 28:26, Jeremiah 17:9,10, Mark 7:20-23.
Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
Can you listen to yourself? We think that you have given up yourself to the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses and to their dogma.
You should probably know what a Bible baby means. @12jtartar It is a fact that babies do not work. They just don't.
Jehovah's Witnesses seem to love the insult, "you twist things".
Here I am untwisting what was twisted.
@12jtartar posted, changing the words of God is a sin if it is done on purpose. Now, I can go back to check on each letter he wrote, and I might, but I do not want to.
It is just a yes or no. Please.
Is changing a word of God a sin if it is NOT done on purpose?
Yes, or no?
Here I am untwisting what was twisted.
@12jtartar posted, changing the words of God is a sin if it is done on purpose. Now, I can go back to check on each letter he wrote, and I might, but I do not want to.
It is just a yes or no. Please.
Is changing a word of God a sin if it is NOT done on purpose?
Yes, or no?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
That's sad then, because Matthew and/or Luke sure did make a mess of the nativity story. And their attempts to reverse the lineage of a Galilean handworker peasant into the blood line of a Benjaminite King really is pushing it a bit.
If to manipulate and edit truth is hellfire for ever, a few of the NT writers will be having a hard time of it, you know.
@12jtartar I think that a verse which a man has changed but it is still called "the word of God" is able to mislead another person whether it was first done on purpose to mislead or not. You seem to have said that if a change was not done to mislead on purpose then changing it isn't a sin. All you have to do to shut me up about it is to post that it was a mistake on your part. Can you do that?
Is it a sin to change the meaning of any scripture? Yes, of course. Change a word of God and it isn't the word of God anymore.
Now, is it a sin to be siding with a changed word? I think that yes, it is. Is it a sin whether the person knows it was changed or doesn't know. That is why people who have left off finding God's way in the Bible are more righteous than all those who submit themselves to it; because some of it was changed. But, neither ones are all right because The Holy Spirit will tell you how to make it right. Why do people believe The Holy Spirit can't do that?
Now, is it a sin to be siding with a changed word? I think that yes, it is. Is it a sin whether the person knows it was changed or doesn't know. That is why people who have left off finding God's way in the Bible are more righteous than all those who submit themselves to it; because some of it was changed. But, neither ones are all right because The Holy Spirit will tell you how to make it right. Why do people believe The Holy Spirit can't do that?
You mean this?
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are following a different gospel— 7 not that there really is another gospel, but there are some who are disturbing you and wanting to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we (or an angel from heaven) should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to hell! 9 As we have said before, and now I say again, if any one is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, let him be condemned to hell!
You realize that all four gospels we have today were written after Galatians, right? Mainstream Christianity also fails the test you're suggesting.