Why Won't You Let me Be Hindu?

wizanda · Jan 29, 2018

Jainarayan said:
A few I lifted from Basics of Hinduism

So i agree with all that list; admittingly got to study all the Vedas... So on that note, wouldn't be a Hindu yet....

Jainarayan said:
Christian ideas are not entirely or even partially evil or bloodthirsty.

The Biblical text is the definer: there are certain things condemned that have been overlooked by Christians, such as God being life and not death, no human sacrifice, no drinking the blood of an offering, no making a covenant with death, etc.

Jainarayan said:
This equating Shiva and Jesus is something that would probably cause most Hindus to shake their heads in pity

Understand the world is full of bigoted people, with limited knowledge on both subjects, as people no longer view the divine as One.

Personally would like to Satsang with people who are willing to question everything, as it shows they're using Jnana, and not just being told how to think.

Jainarayan said:
But it's not Hindu and can't be called Hindu.

If Hinduism is to follow a definition that applies only to some passed down tradition; it is just as in many other religions, people follow a shadow of what was before it...

Which is why guess you are all right, i shouldn't want to be part of a club that rejects avatars; instead should just keep all the avatars who created the shadows in the first place, and get rid of the rest.

Jainarayan said:
I don't believe in the Bible or its stories. They are filled with gratuitous blood and blood lust for its own sake.

The Bible is a perfect way to catch out the blood thirsty, thus what is the best way to catch ravenous animals? Put a dead body in a snare (Isaiah 28), then wait, and watch... Also make sure you have plenty of bait around it, so they get the sent.

In my opinion.

wizanda · Jan 29, 2018

Vinayaka said:
a non-Hindu universalist Abrahamic leaning person

You'd have to prove in anyway shape or form I'm Abrahamic, other than fulfilling Biblical prophecy myself; my knowledge is the Abrahamic covenant was nullified in Zechariah 11:10 for Yeshua's death; which means in my understanding all Abrahamic covenant religions are wrong.

Not sure how calling me a universalist is different to what the Rishi understood: “Truth is one; sages call it by various names.”

Vinayaka said:
Yet the tone is still authoritarian as heck.

You're contradicting yourself, a minute ago you questioned that as an avatar i can't say "i don't know"...

Which personally find a much more humble way to be; that way we uncover reality together, rather than me dictating you either listen or we're going to burn you all with holy fire soon...

Vinayaka said:
that have passed the tests of time many times over.

Thankfully my life times go back to the beginning of reality, and had a NDE to confirm it wasn't just my childhood imagination.

Vinayaka said:
The problem in the thread wasn't so much that you are considered non-Hindu, but more about posting the non-Hindu concepts. Again, I don't see why you seem to care so much about what other people think of you.

Because i got a point on my account for breaking rules, i didn't aim to, i aimed to help people by sharing what i thought was a more modern understandable explanation, based on experience.

Thus it hurts being told off, when you're literally trying to help.

In my opinion.

Jainarayan · Jan 29, 2018

wizanda said:
Understand the world is full of bigoted people, with limited knowledge on both subjects, as people no longer view the divine as One.

Where is it written that Shiva and Jesus are one? In what Upanishad or Purana? Which book of the Bible mentions Shiva?

I have a minority belief also, what’s in my signature... that Shiva and Vishnu are one and the same. But that is in the Skanda Upanishad and the Yajur Veda. Where are Jesus and Shiva mentioned together in any Hindu scriptures?

Sometimes RV 10.164.46 (ekam sat vipra bahudha vadanti, “one truth the sages call by many names”) is taken a bit too far. It’s universalism run amok. Some things should be taken at face value; that verse is one of them as far as I’m concerned.

Not to mention, at the risk of repetition, that no Hindu scriptures mention Jesus by any form of his name, much less equating him with Shiva.

Personally would like to Satsang with people who are willing to question everything, as it shows they're using Jnana, and not just being told how to think.

Question, yes. Rewrite, no. Then it’s no longer Sanātana Dharma. It’s no longer eternal. They’re not using jñana, they’re using hubris.

If Hinduism is to follow a definition that applies only to some passed down tradition; it is just as in many other religions, people follow a shadow of what was before it...

That passed down tradition is what makes it sanātana.

Jainarayan · Jan 29, 2018

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I’m a slow learner.

Vinayaka · Jan 29, 2018

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I will be with you on that shortly. It only came up because of the Hindu thread. Thai Pusam tomorrow. Hope you can make it downtown to koyil.

Vinayaka · Jan 29, 2018

wizanda said:
Thus it hurts being told off, when you're literally trying to help.

In my opinion.

No avatara would ever be hurt. That's ego, plain and simple. No avatar would pout or whine about an internet forum's rules.

Trying to help? That's what all the evangelicals, the JWs. the Bahai all say too. Just trying to help get us poor Hindu blokes out of our self-imposed idiotic beliefs. Sorry, but we just don't need that kind of 'help', lol.

I could have prophesized the finger picture. Frankly your use of that one is just old now. I'm out. Jaya is right.

wizanda · Jan 29, 2018

Vinayaka said:
Frankly your use of that one is just old now. I'm out. Jaya is right.

First used the picture in the thread last time, when people had to be personally rude, and obnoxious; if this is the standard you expect from Hindus, don't see this as Dharmic.

Vinayaka said:
No avatar would pout or whine about an internet forum's rules.

Because one doesn't break rules if can help it, in etiquette, courtesy, manners, etc... If people just break general civil laws, then regardless of their religion, they're just arrogant.

Vinayaka said:
Trying to help? That's what all the evangelicals, the JWs. the Bahai all say too. Just trying to help get us poor Hindu blokes out of our self-imposed idiotic beliefs.

Talk about paint yourself in a corner again, i agree with more Hindu beliefs than any; then come down from Heaven just before everyone who isn't a saint is removed before Satya Yuga.

In my opinion.

sayak83 · Jan 29, 2018

wizanda said:
Buddha said he didn't know, and was deemed an avatar of Vishnu.

Didn't think it was, and didn't think it was only reserved to Hindu texts; yet is from an ocean of consciousness, where form is made manifest by Brahman, and where everything is for a reason.

In my opinion.

Buddha never said he did not know. Quote please with link.

wizanda · Jan 29, 2018

Jainarayan said:
that Shiva and Vishnu are one and the same. But that is in the Skanda Upanishad and the Yajur Veda. Where are Jesus and Shiva mentioned together in any Hindu scriptures?

Kalki is defined as Vishnu (Kalki Purana), rides on a white horse, fights adharmic behavior, and ends Kali Yuga (age of limitation)...Bringing in Satya Yuga.
In Revelation the Lord comes with a new name, rides on a white horse, fights the false religion, and ends the Generation of Ungodliness...Bringing in the Messianic Age.

There are loads of additional details on a closer examination; yet even that clear enough ID is sufficient for me...

Sorry not going to show a place that people in two languages used the same word; yet we can find similar events, and character types taking place.

Jainarayan said:
that no Hindu scriptures mention Jesus by any form of his name, much less equating him with Shiva.

For me knowing the Biblical deception as a energy algorithm at 4-5 years old, and thinking i was an avatar from another realm, seemed whacky to me back then, until studying...

So within it, i don't have the option of not finding out how these characters are both interconnected; when can already show numerous concepts that seem to fit.

In my opinion.

sayak83 · Jan 29, 2018

wizanda said:
First used the picture in the thread last time, when people had to be personally rude, and obnoxious; if this is the standard you expect from Hindus, don't see this as Dharmic.

Because one doesn't break rules if can help it, in etiquette, courtesy, manners, etc... If people just break general civil laws, then regardless of their religion, they're just arrogant.

Talk about paint yourself in a corner again, i agree with more Hindu beliefs than any; then come down from Heaven just before everyone who isn't a saint is removed before Satya Yuga.

In my opinion.

I think a reasonable consensus has been reached here. You are free to think of yourself as whatever you want. However, you won't be considered a member of the Hindu DIR. You are free to post questions of course, but otherwise DIR rules will apply. Other than that, in the spirit of Ahimsa, I wish you the very best in your life and in the forums here.

Hindu DIR members. I you agree that Wizanda should not be considered a part of Hindu DIR, please give a like. If you disagree, give a funny.

wizanda · Jan 29, 2018

sayak83 said:
Buddha never said he did not know. Quote please with link.

Zen Stories to Tell Your Neighbors

sayak83 · Jan 29, 2018

wizanda said:
Zen Stories to Tell Your Neighbors

This is not Buddha, but a Buddhist.

Nyingjé Tso · Jan 30, 2018

Vanakkam,

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Thai Pusam tomorrow. Hope you can make it downtown to koyil.

Making it down there is the easy part, getting in the kovil without being trampled is the hardest

penance here is not the kavadi, it's getting to the garbhagriha alive !

Aum namah Shivaya

wizanda · Jan 30, 2018

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Generally post to help people, not to annoy, and the idea you think that says more about your own character, wouldn't even want to have such bad religious values.

Thank you anyways everyone for proving being a Hindu has nothing to do with following the Dharma, and is merely a religious club.

In my opinion.

Vinayaka · Jan 30, 2018

JayaBholenath said:
Vanakkam,

Making it down there is the easy part, getting in the kovil without being trampled is the hardest penance here is not the kavadi, it's getting to the garbhagriha alive !

Aum namah Shivaya

Just like Nallur then. Then I feel lucky. It's a work day here, and we''ll get maybe 50 in the morning, if we're lucky. I think our actual Tamil population is smaller, but our temple caters to everyone, so we get a ton for other days.

Nyingjé Tso · Jan 30, 2018

Vanakkam,

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Vinayaka said:
Just like Nallur then. Then I feel lucky. It's a work day here, and we''ll get maybe 50 in the morning, if we're lucky. I think our actual Tamil population is smaller, but our temple caters to everyone, so we get a ton for other days.

Here it's 99,99% Tamil and Sri Lankan... So, Thai poosam and other typical South celebrations are a big thing !
But more seriously, the kovil is becoming way too small for the insane amount of devotees. I don't know how they will solve this, big places inside Paris are either non existant or impossibly expensive.

Aum namah Shivaya

wizanda · Jan 30, 2018

JayaBholenath said:
If I say "yes" will you leave us alone ? For real ? Then yes, it totally is, see, not worth your troubles right?

Having been sent before the Tribulation, and the removal of the ungodly; just appealing to anyone who is interested in the things of God.

I'm always going to be a kind person who likes to share, thus it isn't ever a trouble...

Just if some are contrary to even following Dharma, then why try appealing to people who are determined to go the opposite direction.

Everyone has made me realize, just because someone claims to be a Hindu (like all the other religions), it doesn't mean they act accordingly, and are more likely to be hypocrites.

In my opinion.

Jainarayan · Jan 30, 2018

wizanda said:
Generally post to help people, not to annoy, and the idea you think that says more about your own character, wouldn't even want to have such bad religious values.

Thank you anyways everyone for proving being a Hindu has nothing to do with following the Dharma, and is merely a religious club.

In my opinion.

wizanda said:
Everyone has made me realize, just because someone claims to be a Hindu (like all the other religions), it doesn't mean they act accordingly, and are more likely to be hypocrites.

Just a few last points, because this is beating a dead horse, not to mention that your post is a cheap shot and effectively a temper tantrum:

You can believe anything you want. Really, you can!
You can make up your own religion. Really, you can!
You can call your religion Macaroni and call yourself a Macaronist if you want... Really, you can! Labels are meaningless except as shorthand and to summarize your beliefs.
You can incorporate Hindu, Christian, Norse, Slavic, Shinto, Wicca beliefs if you want. Really, you can! But your system is not Hindu or Christian or Norse or Slavic or Shinto or Wicca.
To call yourself any of those is a slap in the face to people who hold to the tenets of those religions, without watering them down or mixing them like some sort of religious smoothie.
To post in a particular DIR, according to the rules of RF, you must declare yourself a member of that DIR on your profile, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Those are the rules. Believing yourself to be a One-ist or All-ist, or some such is not license to post in the Hinduism and/or Buddhist and/or Judaism and/or Christian and/or other DIRs. It's that simple. It's syncretism, for which we have a Syncretist DIR as well as a Seekers DIR and Interfaith Discussion
If you declare yourself on your profile to be Hindu, you won't get flak for posting there. It's what you post you'll get flak for from Hindus. If you post this Shiva=Jesus silliness, or bring Christianity into the Hinduism DIR be prepared to get flak... lots of flak. It's simply not a Hindu belief, and as the headers say, the DIRs are for exclusive discussion (not debate or comparison) of that particular religion.

wizanda · Jan 30, 2018

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Your points are fine, and agreed... Was just upset at trying to help, and rejected for trying.

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Speaking before Satya Yuga is put here by force, isn't a dead horse, there is still time to make people question.

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I don't waste time on cheap shots, was firstly seeing if people would tell another person they're not a religion, and secondly on realizing the bad manners, decided it is a waste of time trying to be accepted by a group of people who don't live the Dharma.

You might not believe this, yet i've got infinite opportunity in Satya Yuga to speak with people who've lived Dharma; here is just interesting, as people claim they follow said texts, yet don't actually live accordingly in all actions.

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Based on an illogical dismissal of Brahman being like a CPU, and Maya being like the Matrix; found that had to find some form of logical balance for Karma to be equalized.

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in my opinion.

Jainarayan · Jan 30, 2018

wizanda said:
Based on an illogical dismissal of Brahman being like a CPU, and Maya being like the Matrix

If that analogy helps you understand Brahman and maya, then go for it. But you will get flak for it if you try to explain it to Hindus; it's condescending. I daresay not many Hindus would even get the analogy, not having seen the Matrix movies, but I'll bet they'd be astonished, if not offended by a non-Hindu telling them their own philosophy.

I think we're adjourned.

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