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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
As an addition to my last post, let me just ask those who continue to support Trump some questions:

If Trump committed adultery with your wife, would you still support him? if he groped your daughter? if he snuck in to see you teenage daughter changing while in a beauty contest? if he made fun of your wife by calling her “ugly”? or demeaning a close relative who may have physical handicaps? or bullying your son through name-calling? by assuming guilt of a close friend when he yells “Lock her up!”? by bragging about his penis size in front of your family? Etc.?

Or is this OK as long as it’s not your daughter, or your son, or your wife, or your friend-- just someone else’s? Is that really what Jesus taught in your opinion? (I’m using “your” in a generic manner, so please don’t assume that I’m referring to anyone in particular here).

Gandhi said “To cooperate with evil is evil”, and justifying Trump’s many actions and words that violate the most basic Christian teachings is nothing short of “evil”, imo. To not try and hold people, including ourselves, accountable for sins that hurt others is “evil”.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
You clearly have not done your homework, plus Trump is the president of this "nation".

Oh yes, you just can't get away from your anti-Catholic bigotry can ya. A truly honest person does not just go about just using black paint to smear another faith as all religious institutions are a mixture of black, white, and grey paint.

BTW, at least Catholics go to church, which is a requirement of Christians according to the NT, which you have admitted you violate. Therefore, "people who live in glass houses...".

Who violated her visa because she worked here modeling without a work visa. Should she be deported, which is the general procure used against those who do violate their visa requirements? I don't suggest as such, but you should if you actually believe what Trump has said.

Oh ya, name-calling is just what Jesus told you to do, right? No wonder you voted for Trump-- basic Christian ethics be damned.

Have you?

What I do in regards to charitable giving is none of your business, and I doubt very much that you actually believe in what Jesus said in Matthew and elsewhere. You pick and choose what you want to believe and then strut around acting holier-than-Thou. You believe in Trumpism, thus not in the most basic teachings of Jesus that deal with compassion for all, justice for all, and loving kindness. You have picked your religion, now you have to deal with the consequences of that.

As for myself, I'd rather spend my time dealing with those who believe in kindness, love, and fairness towards all, versus judgementalism, meanness, and bigotry.


Sorry I am not addressing your whole message. This platform is not the place for long messages. I think PopeAdope’s OP was with respect to Luke 12, in which the conclusion was “sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves purses which do not wear out” (Luke 12:33) which is an off shoot of Matthew 19:21, in which was laid out the path to “perfection”, such as to “be complete”.


At least you are not “judgmental”. I would hate for you to think I am mean and a bigot.

As for the consequence of “hanging” onto the pope, Isaiah 22:25 points out that those hanging onto the heir of Peter, who has the keys of the house of David, and when “he opens no one can shut” (Isaiah 22:22), they will be “cut off”, “in that day”, which would correspond to the “day of the LORD” (Joel 2:31). A “day”, which is just “behind the door” (Matthew 24:33).

As for Trump, versus your gods, Obama and Hillary, Trump has put America back to work, in spite of resistance from the deep state, and the media, and everyone is doing better, including the poor, whereas under Obama, we were on a slide to hell on earth. Not that hell on earth is still not “behind the door” (Matthew 24:33).

As for your continueing your judgmental attitude towards Trump, as you judge others, so shall you be judged. Look at the bodies who have tried that same tactic, both in the deep state and in the media. The Hillerites can't trample each other fast enough to prove their righteousness. Kind of reminds me of a guy they call metis.Your ecumenical anthropology reeks of humanism.
 
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2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Warmer climate and less developed agricultural methods I suppose?


Still, there's enough to go around.


As long as anyone is in need, the 'blessed' are not generous enough.

I don't know enough about politics over there to comment.
All I will say is, any country which regards global warming as 'wacko' is a danger to the rest of us.

Conspiracy theory? I don't go in for those really, but each to their own.

I doubt that anyone will come through the calamity of climate change - unless something is done to stop it very soon indeed.

And so it should, being the richest,. Other, less 'blessed' nations are also consistently in the top 10, despite being less well off.

We have been in a cooling cycle for at least the last 10 years. That is why they renamed global warming to "climate change". http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/08...hange-is-cyclical-global-cooling-coming-soon/

The # 1 leading charitiable country is Myanmar. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37762753
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Oh yes, you just can't get away from your anti-Catholic bigotry can ya. A truly honest person does not just go about just using black paint to smear another faith as all religious institutions are a mixture of black, white, and grey paint.

BTW, at least Catholics go to church, which is a requirement of Christians according to the NT, which you have admitted you violate. Therefore, "people who live in glass houses...".


You kind of miss the point. The Roman Catholics go to church on Sunday because their leader, Constantine, the Pontifex Maximus, decreed that the day of the sun, the day that honored his god Sol Invictus, would be the day of rest. Constantine, being the beast with two horns like a lamb, would relegate his Roman Catholic followers as those who worship the beast (Revelation 13:4) and therefore the “dragon” who is represented by the sun god “Sol Invictus”, and his symbol of the cross, which he gave to Constantine, in the year 312 AD at the battle of Milvian bridge. You fail to recognize you are wearing the mark of the beast, and those who wear the mark of the beast must drink the “wine of the wrath of God” (Revelation 14:10). Tick tock.



Constantine's law of…321 [C.E] uniting Christians and pagans in the observance of the "venerable day of the sun" It is to be noted that this official solar worship, the final form of paganism in the empire…, was not the traditional Roman-Greek religion of Jupiter, Apollo, Venus, and the other Olympian deities. It was a product of the mingling Hellenistic-Oriental elements, exemplified in Aurelian's establishment of Eastern Sun worship at Rome as the official religion of the empire, and in his new temple enshrining Syrian statutes statues of Bel and the sun…. Thus at last Bel, the god of Babylon, came into the official imperial temple of Rome, the center of the imperial religion. It was this late Roman-Oriental worship of one supreme god, symbolized by the sun and absorbing lesser divinities as subordinates or manifestations of the universal deity, that competed with young Christianity. This was the Roman religion that went down in defeat but infiltrated and colored the victorious church with its own elements, some of which can be seen to this day. (Cramer 4)



On March 7, 321, Sunday was declared the official day of rest, on which markets were banned and public offices were closed,[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity
 
Sorry I am not addressing your whole message. This platform is not the place for long messages. I think PopeAdope’s OP was with respect to Luke 12, in which the conclusion was “sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves purses which do not wear out” (Luke 12:33) which is an off shoot of Matthew 19:21, in which was laid out the path to “perfection”, such as to “be complete”.


At least you are not “judgmental”. I would hate for you to think I am mean and a bigot.

As for the consequence of “hanging” onto the pope, Isaiah 22:25 points out that those hanging onto the heir of Peter, who has the keys of the house of David, and when “he opens no one can shut” (Isaiah 22:22), they will be “cut off”, “in that day”, which would correspond to the “day of the LORD” (Joel 2:31). A “day”, which is just “behind the door” (Matthew 24:33).

As for Trump, versus your gods, Obama and Hillary, Trump has put America back to work, in spite of resistance from the deep state, and the media, and everyone is doing better, including the poor, whereas under Obama, we were on a slide to hell on earth. Not that hell on earth is still not “behind the door” (Matthew 24:33).

As for your continueing your judgmental attitude towards Trump, as you judge others, so shall you be judged. Look at the bodies who have tried that same tactic, both in the deep state and in the media. The Hillerites can't trample each other fast enough to prove their righteousness. Kind of reminds me of a guy they call metis.Your ecumenical anthropology reeks of humanism.

Is Trump a Conservative? Yes he is. Is Trump a Christian? I find that how to believe. Since your such a big supporter of Trump could you enlightened me how Trump emulates Christ in his daily life?
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Is Trump a Conservative? Yes he is. Is Trump a Christian? I find that how to believe. Since your such a big supporter of Trump could you enlightened me how Trump emulates Christ in his daily life?

The coming king is described as My Servant David (Ezekiel 37:24) & (Hosea 3:5) Was king David wealthy, did he have many wives, was he God's chosen? As for Trump being "Christian", and a follower of the false prophet Paul, I am not sure Trump has even read the Roman church canon of the NT. At the end of the age, the nations will grab the hem of a Jew, not a "Christian, and they will say "God is with you". (Zechariah 8:23) Apparently Trump is closer to Jews, such as his own daughter, than he is to "Christians", such as the Reverend Jackson, and others, such as yourself. The "many days" of the "adulteress", the "Christian" church, is coming to an end (Hosea 3:1-4). Your "Christian" church is the "flock doomed to slaughter" (Zechariah 11:4-7), whose two shepherds/staffs are the "worthless shepherd", Peter (Zechariah 11:17), and Paul (Zechariah 11:10) Judah and Jerusalem have been restored (Joel 3:1) "at that time". Now the only thing lacking is "I will gather all the nations" to the valley of judgment (Joel 3:2). Tick tock.
 
The coming king is described as My Servant David (Ezekiel 37:24) & (Hosea 3:5) Was king David wealthy, did he have many wives, was he God's chosen? As for Trump being "Christian", and a follower of the false prophet Paul, I am not sure Trump has even read the Roman church canon of the NT. At the end of the age, the nations will grab the hem of a Jew, not a "Christian, and they will say "God is with you". (Zechariah 8:23) Apparently Trump is closer to Jews, such as his own daughter, than he is to "Christians", such as the Reverend Jackson, and others, such as yourself. The "many days" of the "adulteress", the "Christian" church, is coming to an end (Hosea 3:1-4). Your "Christian" church is the "flock doomed to slaughter" (Zechariah 11:4-7), whose two shepherds/staffs are the "worthless shepherd", Peter (Zechariah 11:17), and Paul (Zechariah 11:10) Judah and Jerusalem have been restored (Joel 3:1) "at that time". Now the only thing lacking is "I will gather all the nations" to the valley of judgment (Joel 3:2). Tick tock.

So your basically saying Trump isn't a Christian. I agree with that.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
So your basically saying Trump isn't a Christian. I agree with that.

I am saying that Trump probably doesn't understand the doctrines behind his Presbyterian "Christianity". Like most people, he has assumed the cloak of his surroundings. Trump, as a child, was confirmed a Presbyterian, and I was confirmed a Catholic. One does not hold a child responsible for the sins of the parents (Jeremiah 31:30). If one is born of a Catholic family, such as Trump's wife, who was born in Slovenia, where more than 70 percent of the population identifies as Catholic, they assume that cloak, whether they understand it or not. On the other hand, some people like Obama, take on that cloak for political reasons. The day is coming when the "nations"/Gentiles will proclaim, "Our fathers have inherited nothing but falsehood" (Jeremiah 16:19). As for your judgmental "Christianity", I hope you are as pure as the driven snow, for as you judge others so shall you be judged.
 
I am saying that Trump probably doesn't understand the doctrines behind his Presbyterian "Christianity". Like most people, he has assumed the cloak of his surroundings. Trump, as a child, was confirmed a Presbyterian, and I was confirmed a Catholic. One does not hold a child responsible for the sins of the parents (Jeremiah 31:30). If one is born of a Catholic family, such as Trump's wife, who was born in Slovenia, where more than 70 percent of the population identifies as Catholic, they assume that cloak, whether they understand it or not. On the other hand, some people like Obama, take on that cloak for political reasons. The day is coming when the "nations"/Gentiles will proclaim, "Our fathers have inherited nothing but falsehood" (Jeremiah 16:19). As for your judgmental "Christianity", I hope you are as pure as the driven snow, for as you judge others so shall you be judged.

Thanks for explaining your position. If I came off judgmental I apologize.I just wanted to know your position on the matter.

I have another question that I would like you to answer. So if you think Trump is were the name of his christianity and doesn't really understand the doctrine behind it. Do you think that Christians who understand their own doctrine are okay to stand behind him and support him?
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Thanks for explaining your position. If I came off judgmental I apologize.I just wanted to know your position on the matter.

I have another question that I would like you to answer. So if you think Trump is were the name of his christianity and doesn't really understand the doctrine behind it. Do you think that Christians who understand their own doctrine are okay to stand behind him and support him?


I don’t know of any “Christians”that have any idea of what they are into, or otherwise they would “come out of her”, and not have to “receive of her plagues”(Revelation 18:4). Your “Christians” are in general, looking forward “to drinking the wine of the wrath of God”(Revelation 14:10), as they are in general, all marked with the mark of the beast.

As for Trump, he is against abortion, and he is for abiding by the law of the land. What is not to like? He has put people to work, he has improved their incomes, and he has appointed conservative judges. The people who do not support him live on the coast and in the cities. The “day of the LORD” is coming (Revelation 16:13-20), and the cities of the nations will “fall”. It kind of looks like that God is not too understanding of the lawless, who mostly live in the cities. Plus the islands and mountains seem to be in harms way also. I guess God didn’t like Hawaii keeping Obama’s birth certificate hidden. I would suggest that you not judge others, including Trump. It is the “survivors”, the “deplorable”, who elected Trump, and support him. It is the tares, which are harvested “first”, who do not support him. (Matthew 13:30). They will be placed with the hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), where there will be “weeping” and “gnashing of teeth”.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Are the birds of more value than the starving children throughout the world?
Birds are dinosaurs. That makes them awesome by default. :)

Doesn't it seem like God provides for the Ravens their food better than humans in many cases?
Many people aren't as smart as ravens. Just saw a science article on my FB page that corvids are starting to eat poisonous cane toads in Australia, something even crocodiles can't eat. The figured out how the toads poison them and get around it by eating the other parts. How many people would die before figuring that out?

Man shall not live by "bread" alone. Spiritual words.
Man will not live on prayers at all.

Gotta get your carbs. :)

I imagine most of them would trade a good portion of their "spiritual wealth" for a ham sandwich and a large order fries...just sayin'.
Yup. Gotta go by Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, after all.

Wonder where Eve got the cool dress?
Gods' into leather, apparently. I don't judge.

There are 3million people who are now off food stamps because of their increased earnings.
There are now lots of unemployed people because companies took those perks and closed stores.

The unemployment rate of Hispanics is the lowest ever since records have been kept. The unemployment rate of Blacks is the lowest in 18 years.
None of which are traceable to Trump.

Trump is going to go after the main culprits who eat the flesh of the poor
Himself? Those solid gold toilet seats in his penthouse don't buy themselves.

As for Trump being blessed, he has a very nice wife
LOL, she moved out and won't be caught dead in the same car with him anymore because Trump liked Stormy Daniels more. Hopefully she'll leave that monster.

he loves his work
He'd have to know what that is to enjoy it. Has spent more time at a golf club than at the White House.

he has good health
HAHAHAHAHAHA. He has to spray paint himself just to keep from looking like a Cullen.

like king David
Probably has a Prince John on the side as well.

I don’t think Yeshua would take kindly to people who throw stones at people they consider their inferiors.
Trump believes EVERYONE is his inferior.

As for how your judge others, so shall you be judged.
Great! I don't mind being judged for not wanting to destroy the country to line my pockets. Funny me, I'd put the people first.

When you have sold all your possessions and given to the poor
How much do solid gold toilet seats feed?

Oh ya, name-calling is just what Jesus told you to do, right? No wonder you voted for Trump-- basic Christian ethics be damned.
To be fair on this one, "broods of vipers", "whitewashed tombs", "dogs", and "fools" aren't exactly terms of endearment from our Holy Messiah.

Have you?
Not all of my possessions, but I frequently give to the point I have trouble paying my OWN bills. :)
 
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