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Do you know God?

kjw47

kjw47

Well-Known Member
savagewind said:
You use the past tense. Are there no more mistakes for them to correct?
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I doubt there are many. This world is falling apart very quickly. Its just as I predicted--Greed run capitalism is destroying many lives. A system, where-LOVE-is thrown out the door for profit. Filling Gods world with a bunch of garbage. Bad drugs, selling us cancer. That's about the reality of this satan ruled system of things. Profit no matter what.
 
Fool

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
kjw47 said:
The bible does not teach anything like that.
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hebrew is a patriarchal oriented culture. god isn't. thus god is androgynous, both males and females are the image of god. the first man was both male and female. god is exclusively neither and inclusively both because both males and females are images of god.

Genesis 1:27
So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.




The remarkable contradiction between the two above-quoted passages of Genesis could not escape the attention of the Pharisees, to whom the Bible was a subject of close study. In explaining the various views concerning Eve's creation, they taught ('Er. 18a, Gen. R. viii.) that Adam was created as a man-woman (androgynos), explaining (Gen. i. 27) as "male and female" instead of "man and woman," and that the separation of the sexes arose from the subsequent operation upon Adam's body, as related in the Scripture. This explains Philo's statement that the original man was neither man nor woman.
 
kjw47

kjw47

Well-Known Member
Fool said:
hebrew is a patriarchal oriented culture. god isn't. thus god is androgynous, both males and females are the image of god. the first man was both male and female. god is exclusively neither and inclusively both because both males and females are images of god.

Genesis 1:27
So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.




The remarkable contradiction between the two above-quoted passages of Genesis could not escape the attention of the Pharisees, to whom the Bible was a subject of close study. In explaining the various views concerning Eve's creation, they taught ('Er. 18a, Gen. R. viii.) that Adam was created as a man-woman (androgynos), explaining (Gen. i. 27) as "male and female" instead of "man and woman," and that the separation of the sexes arose from the subsequent operation upon Adam's body, as related in the Scripture. This explains Philo's statement that the original man was neither man nor woman.
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Yes I can see where you would think that way, but it isn't that way. Few know the true meaning of that statement made in Genesis--Let us( YHWH(Jehovah) and his master worker= Jesus=Prov 8) create man in our image= The ability to love, and reason.
He created them--male and female= Adam and Eve. Adam was male--Eve was a female. They made babies.
 
Fool

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
kjw47 said:
Yes I can see where you would think that way, but it isn't that way. Few know the true meaning of that statement made in Genesis--Let us( YHWH(Jehovah) and his master worker= Jesus=Prov 8) create man in our image= The ability to love, and reason.
He created them--male and female= Adam and Eve. Adam was male--Eve was a female. They made babies.
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no he didn't create them male or female until he divided adam in to two beings.

the mankind in genesis 1:26 were androgynous. adam doesn't come until genesis 2:20.

after adam male "or" females came to be


the conjunction "and" doesn't mean the same as the conjunction "or"

you're missing the conjunction being used.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
kjw47 said:
The real religion Jesus began served the God of Israel-YHWH(Jehovah)a single being God) and accepted Jesus as the one sent forth by God--The Messiah. That throws out 32999 0f those religions that claim christianity. The teachings of Jesus prove the rest.
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Every denomination of Christianity thinks that their beliefs are correct and that all the denominations that disagree are wrong. Your position isn’t unique at all; it’s perfectly in line with every other Christian denomination.
 
Phantasman

Phantasman

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Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Through Jesus, the Holy Spirit which is the First and the Last, the I Am, was known as Christ 'Anointed One' and came in the Station of the Son, showing the relationship with the Father yet to Come.

Christ said The Father and I are One!

It makes sense Christ the Son returns as the Father.

Christ the Son has Shown us Baha'u'llah the Father.

Baha'u'llah has shown us that God is one in all His Messengers. The Bab was the Gate that prepared the way.

Here we see Baha'u'llah coming by the way of the Gate, East of the Holy Land

Ezekiel 43:4 "The glory of the LORD entered the temple through the gate facing east."

Sorry I am out, so short explanation.

Regards Tony
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Well, no disrespect, but I'll stay on my current path. I don't believe the Holy Spirit was known by the Jews since she wasn't referenced until Jesus (by becoming Christ), I even have reservations that Johns father and mother, were "filled" with it. Disciple John said she couldn't be given to man until Jesus was glorified. John 7:39 Yet it was rampant among those before Jesus?

I know that the canon is tainted, and even church father Origen (220AD) agreed that by the time he read them, they had been tainted (by scribes).

I believe that the Spirit corrects by the image we receive, and not the words we read. Like the Holy Spirit being of male using the word "he". Patriarchy is a disease of the Spirit due to it's fleshly ignorance.

When you commune with Spirit, all of the men and their words fade somewhat, as we learn to listen much more than orating wanton prayers.

Every "church" I have ever been to spend much more time praying and talking aloud to a spirit, rather than opening their minds and let the Spirit speak to them. Almost reminds me of a circus.
 
Buddha Dharma

Buddha Dharma

Dharma Practitioner
Ah, so scriptural debates. I'll answer from that perspective then!

The Bible is clear that if God doesn't know me- he didn't want to, and this has nothing to do with me:

Proverbs 16:4 The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.

Isaiah 6:9-10 He said, "Go and tell this people: "'Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving.' Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed."

John 6:37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.

Romans 9:22-23 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath--prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory

What the OP calls the word of God says it's not up to me or you if we know God. Trust that God has chosen us for his wrath, and he will ensure we can't know him by blinding us, giving us over to lies, and so forth. God does this to show love for his favorites, who he already chose by election.
 
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TransmutingSoul

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Buddha Dharma said:
Ah, so scriptural debates. I'll answer from that perspective then!

The Bible is clear that if God doesn't know me- he didn't want to, and this has nothing to do with me:

Proverbs 16:4 The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.

Isaiah 6:9-10 He said, "Go and tell this people: "'Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving.' Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed."

John 6:37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.

Romans 9:22-23 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath--prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory

What the OP calls the word of God says it's not up to me or you if we know God. Trust that God chosen us for his wrath, and he will ensure we can't know him by blinding us, giving us over to lies, and so forth. God does this to show love for his favorites, who he already chose by election.
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We have been told what we must do, they are our choices;

"O SON OF SPIRIT! My first counsel is this: Possess a pure, kindly and radiant heart, that thine may be a sovereignty ancient, imperishable and everlasting."

"O YE PEOPLE THAT HAVE MINDS TO KNOW AND EARS TO HEAR! The first call of the Beloved is this: O mystic nightingale! Abide not but in the rose-garden of the spirit. O messenger of the Solomon of love! Seek thou no shelter except in the Sheba of the well-beloved, and O immortal phoenix! dwell not save on the mount of faithfulness. Therein is thy habitation, if on the wings of thy soul thou soarest to the realm of the infinite and seekest to attain thy goal."

Regards Tony
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
kjw47 said:
Its clear for all to see. A JW doesn't vote-- No celebrating pagan filled holidays-- No killing each other in wars of hatred. Etc.
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But you're still "in this world" on the vast majority of things-- as was Jesus.

I believe the problem with some is that they keep looking up to try and see Jesus, but they need to look down here because this is where Jesus lived and taught and helped others and taught all his followers to help others. IOW, he was down here when he lived, not up there.

Also, just because you have a different interpretation of certain scriptures doesn't mean that you're not "in this world" but others are.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
kjw47 said:
Actually it is all falling into place quickly. Read Rev 13 -- look at the world--all can see it happening for years.
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Ya, and the JW's have made numerous predictions that fell flat, with the leadership then coming up with all sorts of excuses as to what supposedly happened in heaven-- as if they really know. .
 
kjw47

kjw47

Well-Known Member
Fool said:
no he didn't create them male or female until he divided adam in to two beings.

the mankind in genesis 1:26 were androgynous. adam doesn't come until genesis 2:20.

after adam male "or" females came to be


the conjunction "and" doesn't mean the same as the conjunction "or"

you're missing the conjunction being used.
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God created everything.
 
kjw47

kjw47

Well-Known Member
savagewind said:
OK. But I think you mean financial profit. Because for profit is actually what YOU are doing and what the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses actually teach.

Define profit: a valuable return : gain

Definition of PROFIT
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There is nothing wrong with making a profit in reason--but when its costing humans their well being and lives to appease stockholders, then its satanistic.
No govt on earth that has LOVE--would ever allow the cigarette co,s to add poision to their products and sell them to humans. Nor is there any love in the Cos, that add the poisions--they are murderers. All who support them by buying their products are supporting murder.
 
kjw47

kjw47

Well-Known Member
9-10ths_Penguin said:
Every denomination of Christianity thinks that their beliefs are correct and that all the denominations that disagree are wrong. Your position isn’t unique at all; it’s perfectly in line with every other Christian denomination.
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Except the facts of Israelite OT God worship history and the teachings of Jesus back my teachers--that means they do not back the others.
 
kjw47

kjw47

Well-Known Member
metis said:
But you're still "in this world" on the vast majority of things-- as was Jesus.

I believe the problem with some is that they keep looking up to try and see Jesus, but they need to look down here because this is where Jesus lived and taught and helped others and taught all his followers to help others. IOW, he was down here when he lived, not up there.

Also, just because you have a different interpretation of certain scriptures doesn't mean that you're not "in this world" but others are.
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Jesus was referring to the world parts that satan is ruling--Every govt on earth. he added pagan things to the worlds celebrations centuries ago--etc.
Gods word condemns all of these unacceptable sins--1Cor 6:9-11,, Galations 5:19-21---Included with all the false god worship and pagan practices= 99% living today do these things. They have lost already--They better-LOOK.
 
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