Math and why I call it that

savagewind · Jan 22, 2018

Unraveling the meaning of scriptures seems like an algebra problem to me. OK. I suck at math, but it doesn't mean I have to be wrong.

Algebra is a math problem with a missing value on either side.

So, I can see that The Bible is a problem with some missing values.

And, I am certain that all scriptures of any faith-based belief are like that, but I only know the Bible. Hahahaah, I can HEAR you!

What I call math is this. If A is true it can either support B or prove B wrong.

To prove is what I call "math".

I know people don't like it. I do.

socharlie · Jan 22, 2018

unknown in Bible is not constant but functions of your building up knowledge, that is the secret.

savagewind · Jan 22, 2018

socharlie said:
unknown in Bible is not constant but functions of your building up knowledge, that is the secret.

I understand that. But to believe in anything wrong will build upon weakness and weakness can cause a crash.

I think that "bad associations" (1 Corinthians 15:33) mean the belief that A supports B when really A disproves B.

socharlie · Jan 22, 2018

savagewind said:
I understand that. But to believe in anything wrong will build upon weakness and weakness can cause a crash.

I think that "bad associations" (1 Corinthians 15:33) mean the belief that A supports B when really A disproves B.

33"Do not be deceived: “Bad company corrupts good morals.” 34Become sober-minded as you ought, and stop sinning; for some have no knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.'

savagewind · Jan 22, 2018

socharlie said:
33"Do not be deceived: “Bad company corrupts good morals.” 34Become sober-minded as you ought, and stop sinning; for some have no knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.'

'Morals' is incorrect.

Bad communications spoil good habits or your custom.

Also, there isn't a soul who ~~had~~ has "no" knowledge of God. That word was added.

The scripture means you should be warned that misunderstanding God's will means that you are lacking the knowledge that God can lead you to the correct understanding.

Here's the math about that. It is not possible for an unbeliever to be "moved to shame". So, the scripture can't be about people who have no knowledge of God. It is about a believer's communications with God ie a person's understanding.

On understanding to do lean. Proverbs 3:5

sun rise · Jan 22, 2018

I don't believe that any scripture is 100% the pure message given by the incarnation of the Avatar. Thus the NT is not totally the accurate message of Jesus and so forth. There are passages which I do take as true and those are the ones which are the same, expressed in different words, that can be found in the scriptures of at least the major world religions.

savagewind · Jan 22, 2018

sunrise123 said:
I don't believe that any scripture is 100% the pure message given by the incarnation of the Avatar. Thus the NT is not totally the accurate message of Jesus and so forth. There are passages which I do take as true and those are the ones which are the same, expressed in different words, that can be found in the scriptures of at least the major world religions.

Yes.

I call it "math" which is the help to understand what was really written down at first.

Scriptures can't be understood all right out of context, so a person should begin the journey of understanding by learning all of it and it is what I believe 2 Timothy 3:16 means.

It is what Jehovah's Witnesses are good for.

savagewind · Jan 22, 2018

2 Timothy 3:16. Can it mean that every word is and will be the truth about what God has for us to know?

What I call, "math", says, 'No!".

Timothy was raised to know Hebrew Scripture. 2 Timothy 3:15

He also knew that scripture did not arrive via angels but that it was written by humans.

Because he was inculcated with the scriptures he knew Psalms 146:3. He also knew Proverbs 3:16.

He knew Psalms 60:11.
He knew Jeremiah 17:5

Then, if someone wrote to him to believe in what men had written he by MATH would not believe it!.

But, 2 Timothy 3:16 became a part of "all scripture", so it must not be eliminated. That is what "all" means. Keep it and meditate on it for the will of God. Imagine what the writer was communicating to the one for whom it was originally written. At the time, there was no book form of the Bible as we know it, but Timothy probably knew every word of the Hebrew scriptures. Why was it written that "all scripture is God-breathed"? It was so that Timothy would not be stumbled over scripture that made no sense. It was being communicated that to see the whole picture is the will of God. "All".

Now, they made it mean that God made some people perfect for making no mistakes in the communication of the truth.

That makes sense? Of course not! There are even many other scriptures that prove you wrong. Believing something that in your own mind you could prove wrong by what you already know is called by the writer BAD ASSOCIATION. You are letting truth and lies lay together in your mind. You are warned that doing so will spoil what you might accomplish for good.

Does the Word have power? Only if it is right. Look around, for goodness' sake!

I am still shocked by what a JW wrote on the forum. He wrote that without the knowledge of a New Earth there would be no reason for this life.
That is just plain crazy! And, it is being called by some people, "the truth".

Nakosis · Jan 22, 2018

savagewind said:
Unraveling the meaning of scriptures seems like an algebra problem to me. OK. I suck at math, but it doesn't mean I have to be wrong.

Algebra is a math problem with a missing value on either side.

So, I can see that The Bible is a problem with some missing values.

And, I am certain that all scriptures of any faith-based belief are like that, but I only know the Bible. Hahahaah, I can HEAR you!

What I call math is this. If A is true it can either support B or prove B wrong.

To prove is what I call "math".

I know people don't like it. I do.

In math there is always a correct answer. In religion folks, including myself, have a issue with confirmation bias. We all have it to some degree.

Math has clear precise rules. With religion the rules are ambiguous.

Sometimes I think I can reach a better understanding of the Bible without applying metaphysical/mystical meanings to the words.

David T · Jan 22, 2018

savagewind said:
Unraveling the meaning of scriptures seems like an algebra problem to me. OK. I suck at math, but it doesn't mean I have to be wrong.

Algebra is a math problem with a missing value on either side.

So, I can see that The Bible is a problem with some missing values.

And, I am certain that all scriptures of any faith-based belief are like that, but I only know the Bible. Hahahaah, I can HEAR you!

What I call math is this. If A is true it can either support B or prove B wrong.

To prove is what I call "math".

I know people don't like it. I do.

what you articulated is called systematic theology and well its not valid. An intro as to why by Robin Williams.

savagewind · Jan 22, 2018

Nakosis said:
In math there is always a correct answer. In religion folks, including myself, have a issue with confirmation bias. We all have it to some degree.

Math has clear precise rules. With religion the rules are ambiguous.

Sometimes I think I can reach a better understanding of the Bible without applying metaphysical/mystical meanings to the words.

I don't think it is about applying metaphysics or mystical meaning. For me, understanding it like math helps me to get a better grasp on what might have really been communicated.

For instance to understand 2 Timothy 3:16 like they do cannot be reconciled about what else is written (Jeremiah 17:5) without some ungodly and gross mental gymnastics. In my opinion.

savagewind · Jan 22, 2018

David T said:
what you articulated is called systematic theology and well its not valid. An intro as to why by Robin Williams.

OK. That is what I do. And, you are proving it's not valid with a movie? LOL

I can see that they make A conform to B when it really doesn't. It is called lying to make things match that do not match.
So, where is this group that does that? Is there one?

savagewind · Jan 22, 2018

I watched that video and really hahaha why, I do not know.

So, I suppose alone again I am.

savagewind · Jan 22, 2018

Math isn't for rating it. LOL OMG! Can we really rate what God has said?

The problem is knowing what God said or didn't say.

Right?

David T · Jan 22, 2018

savagewind said:
OK. That is what I do. And, you are proving it's not valid with a movie? LOL

I can see that they make A conform to B when it really doesn't. It is called lying to make things match that do not match.
So, where is this group that does that? Is there one?

Exactly. It doesn't mean the text is invalid its just not a simple science text although people do love to that. Poetic writing is not easy, but poetic writing perceived as a "rational intellectual text" is difficult writing let alone to read.

savagewind · Jan 22, 2018

More math.

Seek righteousness seek meekness. On the other hand, there is no one who does not sin. Sin isn't righteous. There is no way possible for a person to never sin. So, to seek righteousness CAN NOT mean of the flesh.
Have they not make Zephaniah 2:3 to mean of the flesh?

What is a person suppose to seek per Zephaniah 2:3?

To be sitting comfortably with your own idea that God would never allow someone to call what isn't God's Word god's word is not seeking righteousness. You know it! But, you don't believe it. It is written, you must be perfect. you don't believe that either.

savagewind · Jan 22, 2018

David T said:
Exactly. It doesn't mean the text is invalid its just not a simple science text although people do love to that. Poetic writing is not easy, but poetic writing perceived as a "rational intellectual text" is difficult writing let alone to read.

I believe people have heard from God and eventually what was thought to have been heard was written down. It isn't about poetry. It is about history and sociology.

savagewind · Jan 22, 2018

What did they really hear? Systematic theology should be at work. It isn't working.
It's something different than ST. ST assumes that what is written is what was heard.

David T · Jan 22, 2018

savagewind said:
What did they really hear? Systematic theology should be at work. It isn't working.
It's something different than ST. ST assumes that what is written is what was heard.

Exactly. I could say poetically, that which manifests around us manifests thru us. So how do we see the world around us determines how we understand that within us. I look around all dead Shiatt. Dead sky dead dirt, dead air dead cosmos all dead 99.9999999% either its dead crap randomly forming or dead crap magically sparkled created etc. I will say we have a dead problem.

So if you understand really it's just dead then the only contact with aliveness for religion is outside realty. Geeky and goofy. In a sense they are nerds the genisis of nerd world in fact. Is theology relevant to the text? Absolutely not. Is even relevant at all? Absolutely. It's a perfect image of how the "higher functioning" region of the brain has developed. Over 2,000 years that's a nifty psychological tool for me now. Do I think much of that region? No it's a thumb evolution determines it not visa versa. There is always a deeper narrative regardless.

savagewind · Jan 22, 2018

David T said:
Exactly. I could say poetically, that which manifests around us manifests thru us.

Through them. There are not many souls who can write poetry. I can't.

So how do we see the world around us determines how we understand that within us.

Very true!

I look around all dead Shiatt.

LOL With a capital s?

Dead sky dead dirt, dead air dead cosmos all dead 99.9999999% either its dead crap randomly forming or dead crap magically sparkled created etc. I will say we have a dead problem.

The Earth and the sky are not the problems. In my opinion. I think it is people's wills that is the problem.

So if you understand really it's just dead then the only contact with aliveness for religion is outside realty.

I think that the people who heard from God were real and that what they heard was real but what other people did was they changed enough of it so that now it isn't "all scripoture" anymore. In my opinion.

Geeky and goofy. In a sense they are nerds the genisis of nerd world in fact.

Interesting. I am not going to worry much about what that might mean.

Is theology relevant to the text?

Theology means "study of (God and religious belief)". Is your real question this? > Is the belief in God and religious belief relevant to the text? I think no, so I think we might agree there.

Absolutely not.

I stay away from absolutes.

Is even relevant at all? Absolutely.

God is relevant, of course. Religion shouldn't be, imo.

It's a perfect image of how the "higher functioning" region of the brain has developed.

What is? the belief in God or religion?

Over 2,000 years that's a nifty psychological tool for me now. Do I think much of that region?No it's a thumb evolution determines it not visa versa.

What is a nifty tool? Also, I think you are saying that you do not think much of the "higher functioning" region of the brain, which of course, is funny. Isn't it?

There is always a deeper narrative regardless.

Yes, but I see very few people who are digging. None, in fact.

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