Angelogical/Demonological Fallacies

Sasa · Aug 14, 2006

zombieharlot said:
Sasa, how exactly is psychic channeling congruent with Christianity? Isn't it the same thing as communicating with demons?

The short answer is that both sides of the Spiritual War use psychics and it's completely congruent with Christianity. How do you think Isaiah and Daniel and others had their visions?

I'm not sure what you mean by "Isn't it the same thing as communicating with demons", could you expand?

Sasa · Aug 14, 2006

kai said:
this thread reminds me of that guy who posted and said he was an angel and could remember being in heaven

I'm the first one to admit that it's extremely surreal and don't think I don't know how it all sounds and what people think of it either. I do. :areyoucra

zombieharlot · Aug 14, 2006

Sasa said:
1. That he doesn't exist. (no offense to the poster above) Because Satan's goal is to lead people away from the Creator and his son Jesus Christ, to believe that Satan doesn't exist would lead to believing that the Creator doesn't exist as well as invalidate the Scriptures.

2. That Satan has incredible powers. Satan is in reality, no more powerful than any other angelic being whether it be fallen or holy.

3. That he has horns and a tail and carries a pitchfork. In reality, Satan is a beautiful angel because he was created in perfection. All fallen angels are actually quite beautiful in appearance. If they manifest as anything else, it's only as theatrics and in an attempt to frighten humans. (To see a few of Satan's "scary" manifestations you can visit the website in my profile and click on "The Tin God" in the menu)

I actually haven't believed any of these. Well, demons have power, but only the power that you let them.

Yes, Satan, Lucifer, Beezlebub, the Devil, The Serpent, The Dragon, Nosferatu, Ba'al are all names for Satan. You might also find it interesting that his given name when he was with the Cherubic Order of Angels was Dawn.

What makes you think that Beezlebub/Ba'al is the same being as Satan?

zombieharlot · Aug 15, 2006

Sasa said:
I'm not sure what you mean by "Isn't it the same thing as communicating with demons", could you expand?

Well, psychic channeling is usually referred to when communicating with the dead. And most Christians I have come in contact with don't really see a likelihood or even a reason to communicate with the dead. So I figure, demons just manifest as dead humans to deceive people. And you mention that demons have interfered with your communications. Demons shriek at the sound of God's name. So how,if you are in a direct connection with God (who supposedly has complete and absolute dominion over demons), would they even bother to interfere?

FFH · Aug 15, 2006

All fallen angels are actually quite beautiful in appearance

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I can verify this because I've seen a fallen angel or demon, although I would not use the word beautiful to describe a demon. I would rather use the word perfect.. The demon I saw had a perfect human male face, but was anything but perfect spiritually.

Ody · Aug 15, 2006

FFH said:
I can verify this because I've seen a fallen angel or demon, although I would not use the word beautiful to describe a demon. I would rather use the word perfect.. The demon I saw had a perfect human male face, but was anything but perfect spiritually.

So a good looking hedonist?

Cool beans.

Sasa · Aug 15, 2006

zombieharlot said:
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What makes you think that Beezlebub/Ba'al is the same being as Satan?

They're just names I've heard, seen and read people refer to Satan as.

Sasa · Aug 15, 2006

FFH said:
I can verify this because I've seen a fallen angel or demon, although I would not use the word beautiful to describe a demon. I would rather use the word perfect.. The demon I saw had a perfect human male face, but was anything but perfect spiritually.

Fallen Angel and Demon are the same thing.

But yeah, the one's I've seen give George Clooney and Brad Pitt a run for their money. There's no other way to describe them as except perfect.

Sasa · Aug 15, 2006

zombieharlot said:
Well, psychic channeling is usually referred to when communicating with the dead. And most Christians I have come in contact with don't really see a likelihood or even a reason to communicate with the dead. So I figure, demons just manifest as dead humans to deceive people. And you mention that demons have interfered with your communications. Demons shriek at the sound of God's name. So how,if you are in a direct connection with God (who supposedly has complete and absolute dominion over demons), would they even bother to interfere?

Okay that's what I thought you meant, I just wanted to be sure before I answered. Yes, there are many Christians who have misinterpreted the Scriptures to say that all psychics and psychic activity is bad, but it's not true. If that were the case then people like Isaiah and Daniel would also be labeled as "bad" and for that matter Jesus himself because he was the most psychic of them all. A well developed 6th sense is a God given gift - it's up to each of us that have it to learn about it and use it for good and not evil - just as with any other gift we may have been given. What the Scriptures actually say is to be careful and to stay away from those who practice magic and witchcraft because those are the works of Satan and Satan's best tactic is to deceive.

"There should not be found in you anyone...who employs divination, one who practices magic or anyone who looks for omens or a sorcerer, or one who binds others with a spell or anyone who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events or anyone who inquires of the dead. For everybody doing these things is something detestable to God." Deuteronomy 18:10-12 (HSCB)

"When they say to you, "Consult the spirits of the dead and the spiritists who chirp and mutter," shouldn't a people consult their God? [Should they consult] the dead on behalf of the living?" Isaiah 8:19

Note in the above Scriptures that it spelled out the type of mediums to stay away from. "When they say to you, "Consult the spirits of the dead and the spiritists who chirp and mutter..." When you think of muttering, what comes to mind? Perhaps things that shouldn't be said or that are untrue? That was pointed out in Scripture to differentiate from Satan's mediums, and those that are not of satanic origin; the reason for that is because Satan gives his followers similar psychic abilities, so it is necessary to draw a line between the two different psychic groups that existed in those days. Those who "mutter" and who practice magic, sorcery and witchcraft are to be avoided because they are of Satanic origin but that does not go for all psychics as God has his own psychics as well. Remember what I said about both sides having humans working with them in the Spiritual War?

There are also many psychics who have been hoodwinked into believing that they are communicating with "good" spirits because they don't understand how the Spirit Realm or the Spiritual War works. Unfortunately, they are being deceived either by demons or converts (people who have died and decided not to go through the Baptismal Light and live under God's Sovereign Laws. They usually work on Satan's side as well.) These demons and converts get those psychics to believe and relay to others all sorts of crazy things but more importantly, they go against Scripture. That's the surefire way to recognize who it is you're dealing with.

All demons will try to interfere with my ousting them, but because I am shielded by the Cherubic Order they can't physically harm me in any way. None so far have been successful in preventing me from ousting them either - but that glory goes to the Cherubic Order, not me. Although they do attempt to steer me of the path via thought injections which is how they work on all humans. I've become accustomed to how they operate and what their motives and tactics are so I'm able to discern between the good and the bad.

In the Spiritual War there are certain rules layed out by God that both sides must abide by. Of course, Satan's side is constantly breaking the rules. When that happens, it is reported to the Holy Council by the Holy Ghost Observers and those who committed the infraction are then brought before the Council which is made up of 24 Elders. The Council decides what a fair resolution would be and then it's carried out. At times, Christ will be brought in to hear certain cases and he may then consult with his Father on certain things. At the same time, Satan is also permitted to petition the Council if he feels that he's been treated unfairly and his side is heard as well. Their "judicial system" is all very organized.

zombieharlot · Aug 15, 2006

What about perfect female faces? If there aren't any of those, I quit. Unless...they'll let me do their makeup and give them perfect female faces. A legion of cross-dressing demons! Mwahahahahaha!:fork:

Sasa · Aug 15, 2006

zombieharlot said:
What about perfect female faces? If there aren't any of those, I quit. Unless...they'll let me do their makeup and give them perfect female faces. A legion of cross-dressing demons! Mwahahahahaha!:fork:

LOL! Well...all Angels are ungendered but were given male attributes. But there are some fallen angels who were alive during the Noahian times back when they were able to manifest and procreate with humans (which is where the Nephilim came from) and they prefer the female gender so that's what they continue to manifest as. They're called Legionnaires and Succubi. They're gorgeous too. Keep in mind that they're energy, so they can manifest as absolutely anything they want. The funny thing too, is that the males all have strange names like, Aroundous, Elek, Enai, Rah, Beeragon etc. And the "females" go by really normal sounding names like Rebecca, Katie-Lee and Kristin. Go figure.

zombieharlot · Aug 15, 2006

Sasa said:
Okay that's what I thought you meant, I just wanted to be sure before I answered. Yes, there are many Christians who have misinterpreted the Scriptures to say that all psychics and psychic activity is bad, but it's not true. If that were the case then people like Isaiah and Daniel would also be labeled as "bad" and for that matter Jesus himself because he was the most psychic of them all. A well developed 6th sense is a God given gift - it's up to each of us that have it to learn about it and use it for good and not evil - just as with any other gift we may have been given. What the Scriptures actually say is to be careful and to stay away from those who practice magic and witchcraft because those are the works of Satan and Satan's best tactic is to deceive.

"There should not be found in you anyone...who employs divination, one who practices magic or anyone who looks for omens or a sorcerer, or one who binds others with a spell or anyone who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events or anyone who inquires of the dead. For everybody doing these things is something detestable to God." Deuteronomy 18:10-12 (HSCB)

"When they say to you, "Consult the spirits of the dead and the spiritists who chirp and mutter," shouldn't a people consult their God? [Should they consult] the dead on behalf of the living?" Isaiah 8:19

Note in the above Scriptures that it spelled out the type of mediums to stay away from. "When they say to you, "Consult the spirits of the dead and the spiritists who chirp and mutter..." When you think of muttering, what comes to mind? Perhaps things that shouldn't be said or that are untrue? That was pointed out in Scripture to differentiate from Satan's mediums, and those that are not of satanic origin; the reason for that is because Satan gives his followers similar psychic abilities, so it is necessary to draw a line between the two different psychic groups that existed in those days. Those who "mutter" and who practice magic, sorcery and witchcraft are to be avoided because they are of Satanic origin but that does not go for all psychics as God has his own psychics as well. Remember what I said about both sides having humans working with them in the Spiritual War?

So, what is the difference between praying to God and getting an answer back and psychic channeling?

Satan gives his followers similar psychic abilities

How is it that Satan can bless people with powers if you believe he has none himself?

There are also many psychics who have been hoodwinked into believing that they are communicating with "good" spirits because they don't understand how the Spirit Realm or the Spiritual War works. Unfortunately, they are being deceived either by demons or converts (people who have died and decided not to go through the Baptismal Light and live under God's Sovereign Laws. They usually work on Satan's side as well.) These demons and converts get those psychics to believe and relay to others all sorts of crazy things but more importantly, they go against Scripture. That's the surefire way to recognize who it is you're dealing with.

So, if I die I'm allowed to stay behind and torment the living? Does this mean that hell is currently unoccupied and that it will only fill up as God calls retribution down on all of those that chose another path?

All demons will try to interfere with my ousting them, but because I am shielded by the Cherubic Order they can't physically harm me in any way. None so far have been successful in preventing me from ousting them either - but that glory goes to the Cherubic Order, not me. Although they do attempt to steer me of the path via thought injections which is how they work on all humans. I've become accustomed to how they operate and what their motives and tactics are so I'm able to discern between the good and the bad.

If Cherubim are doing all of the work, why is a spirit medium even necessary? Why do they need you if they're the ones doing everything?

In the Spiritual War there are certain rules layed out by God that both sides must abide by. Of course, Satan's side is constantly breaking the rules. When that happens, it is reported to the Holy Council by the Holy Ghost Observers and those who committed the infraction are then brought before the Council which is made up of 24 Elders. The Council decides what a fair resolution would be and then it's carried out. At times, Christ will be brought in to hear certain cases and he may then consult with his Father on certain things. At the same time, Satan is also permitted to petition the Council if he feels that he's been treated unfairly and his side is heard as well. Their "judicial system" is all very organized.

I have not known Satan to break any rules. If he does it so constantly, give me some Biblical instances. I don't really see any of this judicial-esque society of heaven as being logical either. If God is all-seeing and all-knowing, he wouldn't need much of a council. And if God is perfect, his systems should be perfect too. And if his systems work perfectly and accordingly, there is no reason for Satan to feel he has been treated unfairly. Although, I think that sending a being that was supposedly created out of love to hell is unfair in the first place. That being said, I think God's whole system is tainted in the first place.

zombieharlot · Aug 15, 2006

Sasa said:
LOL! Well...all Angels are ungendered but were given male attributes. But there are some fallen angels who were alive during the Noahian times back when they were able to manifest and procreate with humans (which is where the Nephilim came from) and they prefer the female gender so that's what they continue to manifest as. They're called Legionnaires and Succubi. They're gorgeous too. Keep in mind that they're energy, so they can manifest as absolutely anything they want. The funny thing too, is that the males all have strange names like, Aroundous, Elek, Enai, Rah, Beeragon etc. And the "females" go by really normal sounding names like Rebecca, Katie-Lee and Kristin. Go figure.

So, why didn't they just manifest as human women and have sex with each other? Then they wouldn't have to force women to submit! Although, if a Succubus came to me, I think I would submit in an instant. So, maybe it wouldn't be so hard to get humans to submit after all? :shrug:

And if they're made out of pure energy, what does that say about matter (as all matter contains energy)?

And out of curiousity, how do you know demon names? Do you also know angel names then?

Sasa · Aug 15, 2006

zombieharlot said:
So, what is the difference between praying to God and getting an answer back and psychic channeling?

Channeling is channeling their energy - that's all.

How is it that Satan can bless people with powers if you believe he has none himself?

I never said he has NO powers, I said he has no more than any other Demon...or Holy Angel for that matter.

So, if I die I'm allowed to stay behind and torment the living? Does this mean that hell is currently unoccupied and that it will only fill up as God calls retribution down on all of those that chose another path?

No. The Spirit Realm exists all around us and it's made up of many different planes of existence. The upper planes are "Heaven". Heaven isn't a place where once you go there you aren't allowed to go back. Those who have gone through the light are often around us all the time, along with those who have chosen not to go through the light. When Armageddon occurs, God will take all those in the Abyss, along with the Demons, Converts and humans who have been declared negative energy and they will all be dumped into the Lake of Fire, which is the second death spoken of in the Bible. At that point they will be completely annihalated from existence and wiped from God's memory. That's why when I say there's no sitting on the fence - there isn't.

Hell is an Abyss. It's spoken of in the Bible. Once you're in the Abyss, there is no leaving it. The Abyss is exactly how it sounds. It's total darkness and seclusion - separation from God and everyone else where your crimes against mankind are played over and over for you.

If Cherubim are doing all of the work, why is a spirit medium even necessary? Why do they need you if they're the ones doing everything?

They aren't doing all the work. It all goes back to the Ladder or Authority. The Cherubs are the front line defenders of the earth. There are many other orders of Angels that have additional duties to fulfill. When I oust demons they only need me as a human catalyst. It's part of the Rules.

Additionally, there are Holy Ghost Observers who also have their parts to play in the Spiritual War. They are what people sometimes refer to as "Spirit Guides" or "Guardian Angels." But they aren't Angels. They were once human, went through the light and petitioned the Holy Council to become a Guide/Observer. There's nothing wrong with bridging communication with your own guide. They can be very helpful.

I have not known Satan to break any rules. If he does it so constantly, give me some Biblical instances. I don't really see any of this judicial-esque society of heaven as being logical either. If God is all-seeing and all-knowing, he wouldn't need much of a council. And if God is perfect, his systems should be perfect too. And if his systems work perfectly and accordingly, there is no reason for Satan to feel he has been treated unfairly. Although, I think that sending a being that was supposedly created out of love to hell is unfair in the first place. That being said, I think God's whole system is tainted in the first place.

Well, that's because you don't know Satan or what's really going on behind the scenes in the war. At THIS stage of the war he's breaking them constantly because he's becoming desperate. Also, the Holy Council and Elders are spoken of in the Bible. As far as being perfect - it is. It runs perfectly. But you have to take into account that everything/everyone has Free Will.

Either all of this makes sense to you or it doesn't, but it's the truth. As for whether or not it's all fair, I think it's totally fair. We're given a choice but just like any other choice we make, there may be consequences. God must be accepted on His terms. There is no other option. If you opt not to accept Him on His terms and choose to take Satan's side - you know what your fate will be because He's told you ahead of time.

Sasa · Aug 15, 2006

zombieharlot said:
So, why didn't they just manifest as human women and have sex with each other? Then they wouldn't have to force women to submit! Although, if a Succubus came to me, I think I would submit in an instant. So, maybe it wouldn't be so hard to get humans to submit after all?

Because they were attracted to humans and the humans were attracted to them - they're beautiful remember? And be careful what you ask for.

And if they're made out of pure energy, what does that say about matter (as all matter contains energy)?

They're made of energy and matter but I haven't been told what sort of matter it is. They say that it's not something humans have discovered or would be able to perceive.

And out of curiousity, how do you know demon names? Do you also know angel names then?

I know demon names because my Commander tells me the names of who's involved in any particular ousting. Generally there's more than one so in those cases I'll just be told the lead demon's name. And yes, I know Angelic names but I'm not allowed to repeat them.

FFH · Aug 15, 2006

ZHarlot said:
What about perfect female faces?

I haven't seen a female demon, but I would imagine a female fallen angel would also appear in perfect human form, just as the male demon I saw did.

I have, however, seen an angelic female being. She had the most beautiful face, and brunette hair. I knew it was not my imagination because I saw her extreme beauty and felt her extreme righteousness.

This female angelic being appeared in full color, unlike the male demon, I mentioned earlier, which appeared in a grey scale, no colors whatsoever.

Both beings appeared having perfect faces, only one exuded extreme evil and the other exuded extreme righteousness.

Sasa · Aug 15, 2006

FFH said:
I have, however, seen an angelic female being. She had the most beautiful face, and brunette hair. I knew it was not my imagination because I saw her extreme beauty and felt her extreme righteousness.

Sweetie, there aren't any female holy angels... they all appear male. Only Legionnaires and Succubi appear as being female.

Maybe it was a Holy Ghost Observer/Guide that you saw...

FFH · Aug 15, 2006

Sasa said:
Sweetie, there aren't any female holy angels... they all appear male. Only Legionnaires and Succubi appear as being female.

Maybe it was a Holy Ghost Observer/Guide that you saw...

Okay, I'll use the term resurrected being. She lived and died on the earth at the time of Christ, her name is Mary Magdalene. This is the resurrected being I saw. I use the term angel, because this term is used in LDS doctrine to describe resurrected beings. I'm sure the term can be applied to females as well.

Sasa · Aug 15, 2006

FFH said:
Okay, I'll use the term resurrected being. She lived and died on the earth at the time of Christ, her name is Mary Magdalene. This is the resurrected being I saw. I use the term angel, because this term is used in LDS doctrine to describe resurrected beings. I'm sure the term can be applied to females as well.

Gotcha.

It could very well have been her. My fiance is LDS but I never knew that was the term they used as he's never mentioned it. However, the only human to have ever been resurrected was Christ. So really the correct term would be Ghost or Spirit which is what Mary Magdalene or any other human would now be. The term Angel is strictly reserved for Yahweh's Deputies - which is another term for Angels, like Sons of Light or Sons of Darkness - depending on if they're Holy or Fallen.

Bishka · Aug 15, 2006

Sasa said:
Gotcha. It could very well have been her. My fiance is LDS but I never knew that was the term they used as he's never mentioned it. However, the only human to have ever been resurrected was Christ. So really the correct term would be Ghost or Spirit which is what Mary Magdalene or any other human would now be. The term Angel is strictly reserved for Yahweh's Deputies - which is another term for Angels, like Sons of Light or Sons of Darkness - depending on if they're Holy or Fallen.

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