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The Bible made a mess of Christianity

dfnj

Well-Known Member
Again, true Christians would not do this. These are people using the name of "Christian" but not following the teachings of Christ.

Would you consider every line of scripture talking ABOUT Christ to be the teachings of Christ? For example:

If you confess that Jesus is Lord and believe that God raised him from death, you will be saved. For it is by our faith that we are put right with God; it is by our confession that we are saved. (Romans 10:9-10)

Anyone who is joined to Christ is a new being; the old is gone, the new has come. (2 Corinthians 5:17)

Since you have accepted Christ Jesus as Lord, live in union with him. Keep your roots deep in him, build your lives on him, and become stronger in your faith, as you were taught. And be filled with thanksgiving. (Colossians 2:6-7)

Would you consider these three lines of scripture to be the teachings of Christ? Are these God's word or the words of men?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Would you consider every line of scripture talking ABOUT Christ to be the teachings of Christ? For example:

If you confess that Jesus is Lord and believe that God raised him from death, you will be saved. For it is by our faith that we are put right with God; it is by our confession that we are saved. (Romans 10:9-10)

Anyone who is joined to Christ is a new being; the old is gone, the new has come. (2 Corinthians 5:17)

Since you have accepted Christ Jesus as Lord, live in union with him. Keep your roots deep in him, build your lives on him, and become stronger in your faith, as you were taught. And be filled with thanksgiving. (Colossians 2:6-7)

Would you consider these three lines of scripture to be the teachings of Christ? Are these God's word or the words of men?

It seems to be in line with what Jesus said.

Do you find a conflict?
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
Where does God's word say that God would guide church leaders to give you the correct Canon of Scripture?....Church leaders and kings of Israel were anointed and yet made all kinds of mistakes.


Daniel 12:4--truth would become abundant here in these last days.) It has-- The world hates it just like they hated it in Jesus day. The true living God= Father--requires one to know truth-- so there is no doubt--one religion is Gods.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Daniel 12:4--truth would become abundant here in these last days.) It has-- The world hates it just like they hated it in Jesus day. The true living God= Father--requires one to know truth-- so there is no doubt--one religion is Gods.
How do you know the Council of Ephesus, which approved of Marian devotion, wasn't inspired by the Holy Spirit
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
The Catholic Church decided which books would be in your new testament Canon at the councils of Rome, Carthage, and hippo.... If the Catholic church is so evil, why do you trust that you have the correct Canon of scripture?


As to how do you know for sure it was the Roman Catholic Church that decided which books should be added into the new testament?
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
What makes you think it was the bible that made a mess of christianity.

Just because people miss understands a book, does not mean it's the fault of the book.
Just because someone reads to pull their eye out and they do that, That's not the fault of the book, But their fault for being stupid.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
How do you know the Council of Ephesus, which approved of Marian devotion, wasn't inspired by the Holy Spirit



Homes and churches filled with statues, icons and graven images prove their in darkness. They were never out of darkness.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
If that is so bad, why is there nothing from Christ or the New Testament that says it's bad?


God might have changed the covenant, but God has not changed. His word condemned the use of all 3 in the OT.
Catholics are taught its perfectly fine to bow to a graven image of Jesus behind the pulpit--it can do 0. Jesus is king of kings sitting on his throne in heaven.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
If that is so bad, why is there nothing from Christ or the New Testament that says it's bad?

Revelation 9:20-21New American Standard Bible (NASB)

20 The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk; 21 and they did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries nor of their immorality nor of their thefts.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Revelation 9:20-21New American Standard Bible (NASB)

20 The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk; 21 and they did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries nor of their immorality nor of their thefts.
I don't worship idols. The Catholic Church forbids it as well
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I don't worship idols. The Catholic Church forbids it as well

Maybe you should reread the Commandment which the Catholic Church has left out of its own version.

“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Maybe you should reread the Commandment which the Catholic Church has left out of its own version.

“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
God later commanded the Israelites to make graven images. Much of the Old Testament was for ancient Israel at that time, not for Christians
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
God later commanded the Israelites to make graven images. Much of the Old Testament was for ancient Israel at that time, not for Christians

Revelation 9:18-20, was about "mankind", "a third of which was killed", and the referenence time is the judgment day of the LORD, and was written in the "Book of Revelation", a book some "Christians" take as a personal message to them. The Commandment concerning idols, given to Israel, just spells out what idolitry is. Now your Church, or it's instituter, Constantine, "can intend to make alterations in the times and the law" (Daniel 7:25), but it is a fleeting effort.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Revelation 9:18-20, was about "mankind", "a third of which was killed", and the referenence time is the judgment day of the LORD, and was written in the "Book of Revelation", a book some "Christians" take as a personal message to them. The Commandment concerning idols, given to Israel, just spells out what idolitry is. Now your Church, or it's instituter, Constantine, "can intend to make alterations in the times and the law" (Daniel 7:25), but it is a fleeting effort.
The Catholic Church bans idols and giving adoration that belongs to God to anything less than God.... It's just, Christ redeemed The Souls of the Dead, and the souls in heaven started appearing to people and working miracles, and eventually the church decided it is okay to invoke them as the communion of saints, family in heaven, friends in high places.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
Maybe you should reread the Commandment which the Catholic Church has left out of its own version.

The difference in is the numbering only. The Catholic Church as well as the Lutheran, follow the Decalogue in Deut 5:6-21 where the numbering differs from Ex 20.
 
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