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sex and abrahamic religions

qarid19o88b

New Member
well, simply put, why do abrahamic religions have a problem with sex?? its a natural animal instict that God has gave us so why do they choose to supress people's sexual desires until marriage..i have a religious family who frown upon such things and its really painful seeing other ugly people getting on at my age while im stuck waiting for marriage...
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
qarid19o88b said:
well, simply put, why do abrahamic religions have a problem with sex?? its a natural animal instict that God has gave us so why do they choose to supress people's sexual desires until marriage..i have a religious family who frown upon such things and its really painful seeing other ugly people getting on at my age while im stuck waiting for marriage...

We don't, some of just understand God's law, that's all.

It's called overcoming the flesh and not giving into carnal desires.
 

egroen

Member
its really painful seeing other ugly people getting on at my age while im stuck waiting for marriage...
Ok, I take back everything I've said about the merits of sex ed... abstinence only now! :thud:

-Erin
 

Ðanisty

Well-Known Member
qarid19o88b said:
well, simply put, why do abrahamic religions have a problem with sex?? its a natural animal instict that God has gave us so why do they choose to supress people's sexual desires until marriage..i have a religious family who frown upon such things and its really painful seeing other ugly people getting on at my age while im stuck waiting for marriage...
No offense to you or anyone else and I'm certain this is none of my business, but do you always do what your parents want you to do?
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
qarid19o88b said:
well, simply put, why do abrahamic religions have a problem with sex?? its a natural animal instict that God has gave us so why do they choose to supress people's sexual desires until marriage..i have a religious family who frown upon such things and its really painful seeing other ugly people getting on at my age while im stuck waiting for marriage...
Compare the odds of a child being raised in a good environment if the parents are serious enough to get married first, and that should explain it.

Oh, and before you mention we have birth control now -- heh heh I was on the pill, never missed one, and still got pregnant -- twice.

Nothing is 100% short of keeping your pants zipped. That's not a religious statement -- just a medical one.

I do think it's a bit much to expect people to remain celibate till their 25 and 30 though. Personally, I think the LDS have the right idea on this one -- getting married earlier is better. Though some parental input is beneficial to keep the infatuated from doing anything really stupid. :D
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
Booko said:
I do think it's a bit much to expect people to remain celebate till their 25 and 30 though. Personally, I think the LDS have the right idea on this one -- getting married earlier is better. Though some parental input is beneficial to keep the infatuated from doing anything really stupid. :D

Even then we still do stupid things. :D

I agree, I was married and virgin at age 19. That doesn't bother me, I didn't give into those desires until after I was married, because in my belief and my understanding of God, that is a sin.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
qarid19o88b said:
well, simply put, why do abrahamic religions have a problem with sex?? its a natural animal instict that God has gave us so why do they choose to supress people's sexual desires until marriage..
Yup, it's an animal instinct all right. Most animals have sex indescriminately throughout their lives, engage in sex in public without being the slightest bit embarrassed, and wouldn't hesitate for a minute to have sex with a parent or sibling. So, maybe you could explain to me why you would like to behave like an animal...

i have a religious family who frown upon such things and its really painful seeing other ugly people getting on at my age while im stuck waiting for marriage...
Obviously, I'm coming from your parents' perspective, and I think that waiting for marriage is a good thing. On the other hand, unless they monitor your every move, I'm sure that at some point you'll be free to indulge. If you're all that convinced that it's okay and that your parents are just old-fashioned, just be sure to use protection, okay?
 

pandamonk

Active Member
Recently I came across a really interesting article about sex before marriage, and the bible.

The Bible doesn't contain any passage which explicitly says that one should remain celibate until marriage. The closest it gets is that one should not commit sexual immorality. Unfortunately it does not go on to explain what this is. It never once mentions fornication, but does mention adultery, beastiality, incest, etc. Maybe these are the immoral sexual acts it is meaning, no?

Anyway...In one passage Jesus says that sex makes two people into one flesh. In another passage Jesus says that noone should break the bond that God has made between two individuals. The latter can be confused with the bond made in the marriage ceremony, but if this was true, surely there would be a passage in the Bible which explains the ceremony. There isn'(to my knowledge), and the only mention of a bond between two people, is this bond which is made when a couple have sex.

There is talk of marriage in the Bible, but it is never explained how one gets married. And especially how Adam and Eve were married. Sex is, apparantly, a God given way to bond two people together, so maybe this bond is marriage? The act of sexual intercourse is the marital bond...

Sound possible?

Also, "the man who marries his virgin does well; the one who does not marry her will do better" (1Cor.7:32-34)". Why is there even talk of marrying a virgin, unless sex is a key role in marriage?
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
pandamonk said:
Anyway...In one passage Jesus says that sex makes two people into one flesh. In another passage Jesus says that noone should break the bond that God has made between two individuals. The latter can be confused with the bond made in the marriage ceremony, but if this was true, surely there would be a passage in the Bible which explains the ceremony. There isn't(to my knowledge), and the only mention of a bond between two people, is this bond which is made when a couple have sex.


This is if you believe that the Bible is all the word that God gave us

pandamonk said:
There is talk of marriage in the Bible, but it is never explained how one gets married. And especially how Adam and Eve were married. Sex is, apparantly, a God given way to bond two people together, so maybe this bond is marriage? The act of sexual intercourse is the marital bond...
Sound possible?

See previous answer. Yes, if you belive that Bible is all we got, of course those things won't be mentioned, but there are some of us that believe there is much more then the Bible.
 

pandamonk

Active Member
beckysoup61 said:
This is if you believe that the Bible is all the word that God gave us



See previous answer. Yes, if you belive that Bible is all we got, of course those things won't be mentioned, but there are some of us that believe there is much more then the Bible.
Hey i in no way believe in the Bible, lol. It's just for those who do, and also believe in abstinence, like my girlfriend, and who have no valid reason for doing so, based solely on the Bible of course. I'm am not trying to convert anyone or change their belief, just make them question why they believe that in the fist place, if it isn't even in their "holy book".
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
pandamonk said:
Hey i in no way believe in the Bible, lol. It's just for those who do, and also believe in abstinence, like my girlfriend, and who have no valid reason for doing so, based solely on the Bible of course. I'm am not trying to convert anyone or change their belief, just make them question why they believe that in the fist place, if it isn't even in their "holy book".

I know you don't, I was generalizing.
 

Mujahid Mohammed

Well-Known Member
qarid19o88b said:
well, simply put, why do abrahamic religions have a problem with sex?? its a natural animal instict that God has gave us so why do they choose to supress people's sexual desires until marriage..i have a religious family who frown upon such things and its really painful seeing other ugly people getting on at my age while im stuck waiting for marriage...
What do you mean exactly problem with sex?
 

pandamonk

Active Member
Mujahid Mohammed said:
What do you mean exactly problem with sex?
About people remaining celibate until marriage, and that it is better to not marry and remain celibate...That's what i think is meant. Also that masturbation is wrong, and that sex should really only be for reproduction. Things like that...
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
qarid19o88b said:
well, simply put, why do abrahamic religions have a problem with sex??

IMHO, the Abrahamic religions seem to have various problems with sex for several reasons. Where do you want to start?

One possible starting point is to consider that marriage meant something very different back in the days when the holy texts of those faiths was being written. There were few ways for a woman to support herself or her children outside of marriage, so any sane person of the time would probably have considered marriage a very good thing for women and encouraged it. Especially given a lack of birth control or safe abortion, it was very advisable for women to remain virgins until they had secured the firm committment of a male to supporting them and their offspring.

Another thing to consider is that some of the authors of the holy texts of the time were probably anhedonistic. Anhedonism means adverse to pleasure. It's not uncommon for anhedonistic people to regard sex as solely for procreation, to see it as a sort of evil, or to seek to limit it as much as possible.

its a natural animal instict that God has gave us so why do they choose to supress people's sexual desires until marriage

If you want to talk about natural sexual instincts in humans, you should know that the available evidence strongly indicates that humans have a natural instinct to pair bond, that they have a natural instinct to avoid public sex, and that they have a natural instinct to avoid incest. Instinct is not the same thing as reflex. An instinct is not necessarily manifested in everyone, nor in everyone in the same way. But there is ample evidence that humans have more sexual instincts than just an instinct to have sex.
 

TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
[29] And those who guard their chastity,
[30] Except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess, for (then) they are not to be blamed, (Quran 29-30:70)

In Islam sex before marriage is not allowed and it's a great sin. It might let the offspring get mixed and might generate kids without normal and natural family to take care of, save people from sexual diseases, several reasons but i just mentioned some.

:)
 

pandamonk

Active Member
The Truth said:
[29] And those who guard their chastity,
[30] Except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess, for (then) they are not to be blamed, (Quran 29-30:70)

In Islam sex before marriage is not allowed and it's a great sin. It might let the offspring get mixed and might generate kids without normal and natural family to take care of, save people from sexual diseases, several reasons but i just mentioned some.

:)
captives? :areyoucra

If this was in response to my posts, mine were intended for Christianity. The OP was asking why, not if. Is there any passage in the Qur'an, or other, which explains why it is a sin? You have given us reasons to refrain from having sex until you want children/are with the right person, but this does not explain why it is sinful.
 

Smoke

Done here.
qarid19o88b said:
well, simply put, why do abrahamic religions have a problem with sex?? its a natural animal instict that God has gave us so why do they choose to supress people's sexual desires until marriage..
I tend to agree with Voltaire: [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif]"It is amusing that a virtue is made of the vice of chastity."[/FONT]

qarid19o88b said:
i have a religious family who frown upon such things and its really painful seeing other ugly people getting on at my age while im stuck waiting for marriage...
Parents, religious or not, usually aren't too keen on their children's being sexually active. They worry about things like pregnancy, sexually transmitted diseases, and too much emotional entanglement among people who haven't finished their education yet. All of those are legitimate concerns, and you should give them some serious thought before you decide to violate your parents' rules. If you still live at home, you should also consider what the consequences at home might be.
 
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