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Knowing God, Knowing You and I

savagewind

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Premium Member
Good and evil strike me as superficial concepts referring to no ontological existence.
My brain! This > Good and evil strike me as superficial concepts is a very good idea, and true.

Please, this > referring to no ontological existence is too wonderful for me. Might you explain it further?
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Even if you are brought up regularly attending a specific church, everyone comes to their own independent conclusion at some point.
In a perfect world, yes. But, unfortunately, that is not the case here.

Faith has to be personal, ultimately, does it not?
I believe faith is not personal. Faith is about fixing relationships, in my opinion.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Even if you are brought up regularly attending a specific church, everyone comes to their own independent conclusion at some point. Faith has to be personal, ultimately, does it not?

yes, it must go to the root of mind to grow into a fruitful tree.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Jeremiah 31:34

and

Hebrews 8:11

both state that at some point no one will have to teach someone else to know god, or how to know god. they will know her for himself.

If this is true, then how can a non-christian, know god without becoming christian, or a non-what-ever-major-religion, know god without becoming that particular organized religion?





On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.

When people will first begin to realize, i.e., 'know God', is when Daniel 2:44 begins it's fulfillment. (Matthew 6:9-10 at the same time.) Then, we'll see passages such as John 5:28-29, Revelation 21:3-4 {...tent of God is with mankind}, Isaiah 11:6-9 {....the Earth....}, et.al., reaching their climax.

At that time, everyone alive will recognize God's sovereignty. All will know!
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
When people will first begin to realize, i.e., 'know God', is when Daniel 2:44 begins it's fulfillment. (Matthew 6:9-10 at the same time.) Then, we'll see passages such as John 5:28-29, Revelation 21:3-4 {...tent of God is with mankind}, Isaiah 11:6-9 {....the Earth....}, et.al., reaching their climax.

At that time, everyone alive will recognize God's sovereignty. All will know!
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Spice

StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
so then if god is instilled in the heart, can an atheist know in their own way without becoming christian?

knowing thyself?

IMO, absolutely! Matthew 8:5-13 shows it clearly. The Centurion "just knew"!

It can be seen on these boards. IMO, the Bible is written and compiled to be confusing because it can only be grasped if read with that "something" already awake inside. Otherwise one can be led to "discern" most anything from it. If you read it with the right stuff guiding your comprehension, humility and awe, not piousness and fear, then true faith, like the Centurion's guides your works/fruits . . . no label needed.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
@savagewind

I have read that gurdjieff would take small groups of people and put them in situations that were out of the norm, just to see how they would respond. i have heard other religious sects doing this.there was no judgment against the person, or group, but the one, or those, who showed a elevated level of thoughtfulness got promoted.

case in point.

5 So Gideon took the men down to the water. There the Lord told him, “Separate those who lap the water with their tongues as a dog laps from those who kneel down to drink.” 6 Three hundred of them drank from cupped hands, lapping like dogs. All the rest got down on their knees to drink.

7 The Lord said to Gideon, “With the three hundred men that lapped I will save you and give the Midianites into your hands. 8. So Gideon sent the rest of the Israelites home but kept the three hundred, who took over the provisions and trumpets of the others.


SHOCKING: Less talk, more art, i like that.



cheeky monkey 5:00
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
@savagewind

I have read that gurdjieff would take small groups of people and put them in situations that were out of the norm, just to see how they would respond. i have heard other religious sects doing this.there was no judgment against the person, or group, but the one, or those, who showed a elevated level of thoughtfulness got promoted.

case in point.

5 So Gideon took the men down to the water. There the Lord told him, “Separate those who lap the water with their tongues as a dog laps from those who kneel down to drink.” 6 Three hundred of them drank from cupped hands, lapping like dogs. All the rest got down on their knees to drink.

7 The Lord said to Gideon, “With the three hundred men that lapped I will save you and give the Midianites into your hands. 8. So Gideon sent the rest of the Israelites home but kept the three hundred, who took over the provisions and trumpets of the others.


SHOCKING: Less talk, more art, i like that.



cheeky monkey 5:00
Those models are not perfect. I am sure.
 

socharlie

Active Member
Jeremiah 31:34

and

Hebrews 8:11

both state that at some point no one will have to teach someone else to know god, or how to know god. they will know her for himself.

If this is true, then how can a non-christian, know god without becoming christian, or a non-what-ever-major-religion, know god without becoming that particular organized religion?





On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
18"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thank" Rom 1
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I think by "knowing god", you are referring to mystical experiences? If so, you are assuming that such experiences can be had only through a religion when in truth such experiences come to non-religious people too.
Or that brief moment when the dysfunctional part of neurology "higher functioning" is over thrown to only return to the outer limits channel the next moment called normalacy. Wiiiiiierd.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Even if you are brought up regularly attending a specific church, everyone comes to their own independent conclusion at some point. Faith has to be personal, ultimately, does it not?
Really? Apparently when Mary magdalene walked into the room 12 denominations were formed. One catholic, three Protestant, 2 nondenominational one liberal one conservative 1 orthodox 4 telivision channel shows and one scientist!!! Thomas was clearly a scientist just based on his empericalism. So today's 30,0000 denominations are total sanity!!!! It's all personal it's what ever floats through at the moment I love CNN and fox I can flip to the nature channel and Disney all at the same time. My gawd reality is soooooo wow cool.
 
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