Worshiping Jesus

InChrist said:

You are certainly free to believe any idea of your imagination, but your idea does not line up with the biblical scriptures from my perspective.

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that is why there is 40,000+ denominations of christianity thriving. people create things out of their own "personal" and imaginative minds and believe they should be true.

i doubt Jesus would have agreed with 40000+ interpretations of the Truth let alone those he disagreed with in his 3.5 yrs of ministering.

as sonmi-451 stated all versions of the truth are mistruths because there is only one truth.

Archivist: On behalf of my Ministry and the future of Unanimity, I want to thank you for the final interview. Remember, this isn't an interrogation or trial. Your version of the truth is all that matters.

Sonmi-451: Truth is singular. Its "versions" are mistruths.


people become fixated on the form, the flesh; which counts for nothing. the fruit of the Spirit, or Tree of Life is Love, anything apart from that is simply fuel for the fire.

InChrist said:

I don't think your thoughts on the subject are quite in agreement with the words of Jesus. I certainly don't believe the glorified body will be "flesh" in the way it is material now, rather it will be a transformed, spiritual body just as Jesus' in His resurrected state.

Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, “Peace to you.” 37 But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit. 38 And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”

40 When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. 41 But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, “Have you any food here?” 42 So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb.43 And He took it and ate in their presence. Luke 24:33-43

How will our resurrection body be different from our current body?

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Since Luke wasn't an eye witness, and Thomas was, Jesus words are sometimes seen through "hear-say".

Gospel of Thomas:
(22) Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, "These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom."
They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?"
Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom."

The ones Jesus appeared to were still not knowing. He had to convince them through their limited knowledge (what is seen and heard by eyes and ears). Surely you cannot believe that the spiritual needs broiled fish to exist, or carries bodily scars.

Gnosis (spiritual understanding) from the Spirit has taught us so much more than the disciples first view at Jesus resurrection. The seed grew much greater after the resurrection, while orthodoxy still shows the cross.

The Spirit overcame the cross. The flesh dies at the cross. Learn how to overcome the burden of the cross.

1213 said:

I think it is n line with the teachings of Jesus in Gospels, therefore I have no problem to accept it.

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Does that include the Gospel of Truth, Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Philip, Gospel of Thomas, etc.?

Gospel just means good news. Orthodoxy teaches that the news is limited to 4 books. Jesus taught millions in his 3 years as Christ. And many wrote of his gospel teachings. Including the 70 Jesus sent out himself.

Slaves follow orthodoxy, IMO. Become free as Christ says free.

Why did God decided to send his presumed Son at that time, Why he used to send Messingers and prophets like Adam, Noah, Ibraham, Moses, etc.to Mohammed. As Muslim We belives, God has sent thousands of prophets and messingers. Why, Suddenly he decided to get a son down and to be killed as presumed. O God don't take us by Wrath for this blahhemy. You are one only. You begetteth not and You was not begotten.
Peace be uppon all venerable, glorified Messingers from Adam to Jessus and Mohammed.

Baroodi said:

Why did God decided to send his presumed Son at that time, Why he used to send Messingers and prophets like Adam, Noah, Ibraham, Moses, etc.to Mohammed. As Muslim We belives, God has sent thousands of prophets and messingers. Why, Suddenly he decided to get a son down and to be killed as presumed. O God don't take us by Wrath for this blahhemy. You are one only. You begetteth not and You was not begotten.
Peace be uppon all venerable, glorified Messingers from Adam to Jessus and Mohammed.

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the sons of god are prophets, messengers of peace. some of them were killed.




Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.


Matthew 23:34
Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.

Matthew 23:37
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

Luke 11:47
“Woe to you, because you build tombs for the prophets, and it was your ancestors who killed them.

Luke 11:48
So you testify that you approve of what your ancestors did; they killed the prophets, and you build their tombs.

Luke 11:49
Because of this, God in his wisdom said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and others they will persecute.’

It is through the Spirit (becoming a Christ) that we know the difference in Gods prophets (teachers) and false prophets.

1 John 4:
4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Antichrist is just a teaching that christ (the chrism by the Holy Spirit) doesn't come into the flesh. It's not to belive that Jesus walked in the flesh, but that Christ comes into the flesh.

John 14:
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Jesus came to give us the Holy Spirit by accepting it from the Father as a non defiled entity, showing us how to use it and how to hear it. Without his instructions, man would never have had such a perfect loving gift.

John 7:
(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

1 John 4 (again):
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

With the Spirit (capital S or chrism) John says we identify the spirits (truth and error).

John 14:
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever

Thank you Phantasman

Who is this Comforter

Baroodi said:

John 14:
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever

Thank you Phantasman

Who is this Comforter

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Our mother. The Holy Spirit.

John 1:
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

A son has a father and mother. When we reject the father and mother that gave us flesh, we accept the father and mother of the spirit.

Gospel of Thomas:
(101) <Jesus said,> "Whoever does not hate his father and his mother as I do cannot become a disciple to me. And whoever does not love his father and his mother as I do cannot become a disciple to me.

The Hebrews heard the Spirit but could not understand truth until truth came. They relied on the Law. They received by the "outer" and not the "inner". Once the Spirit came within the flesh, it spoke the truth.

Gospel of Philip:
When we were Hebrews, we were orphans and had only our mother, but when we became Christians, we had both father and mother.

The Hebrews never knew the Father, until the Son exclaimed and glorified him. Only then could we receive the chrism (baptism of spirit). Our spiritual mother nurtures us as children. To the glory of the Father, as she did Jesus.

Matthew:
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Luke:
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

The orthodox want Mary to be the mother. But the Spirit says different. It wasn't the Fathers voice who said this.

John 5:
And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Phantasman said:

I worship the Father, not the son. We "become" sons as Jesus was. John 4:23

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Same in Islam..