The Beast and the Soul

Are all souls beasts from the abrahamic perspective?


Genesis 2:7
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 2:19
And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Ecclesiastes 3:18
I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

Fool said:

Are all souls beasts from the abrahamic perspective?


Genesis 2:7
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 2:19
And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Ecclesiastes 3:18
I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

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all alive man and beasts have life force -Nephesh, man to be man has to have Neshama -soul

Nephesh - Wikipedia
Neshama - Wikipedia

socharlie said:

all alive man and beasts have life force -Nephesh, man to be man has to have Neshama -soul

Nephesh - Wikipedia
Neshama - Wikipedia

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so does the neshama have to be awakened, or recognized by the soul in order to be active?

is a person who does not awaken to their neshama dead as Jesus believed some to be?


are the three states of man possibly the same as the nephesh-chemical body(gross body), astral body-ruach(subtle body, or energy body), and neshama(causal body),


What is a Soul?

The Soul

Three Bodies Doctrine (Vedanta) - Wikipedia

3 Types of Bodies: Gross-Sthula, Astral-Linga & Causal-Karan body

Bases of Vedanta

Fool said:

so does the neshama have to be awakened, or recognized by the soul in order to be active?

is a person who does not awaken to their neshama dead as Jesus believed some to be?


are the three states of man possibly the same as the nephesh-chemical body(gross body), astral body-ruach(subtle body, or energy body), and neshama(causal body),


What is a Soul?

The Soul

Three Bodies Doctrine (Vedanta) - Wikipedia

3 Types of Bodies: Gross-Sthula, Astral-Linga & Causal-Karan body

Bases of Vedanta

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now we are at the next step:
"I will come down and speak with you there, and I will take some of the power of the Spirit that is on you and put it on them."
Numbers 11:17
Ha·ru·ach - spirit

socharlie said:

now we are at the next step:
"I will come down and speak with you there, and I will take some of the power of the Spirit that is on you and put it on them."
Numbers 11:17
Ha·ru·ach - spirit

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unfortunately strong's indicates that neshama is all breathing things. it isn't exclusive to a man.

Genesis 7
22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died.

god is omnipresent in all of creation

Jeremiah 23:24
"Can a man hide himself in hiding places So I do not see him?" declares the LORD "Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?" declares the LORD.


i can understand your idea that neshama is exclusive to man but it isn't. ecclesiastes indicates this as such because man an an animal. some of mankind will not ascend to higher states because they live their lives as instinctual animals.

the only difference between most humans and most animals is that animals don't think in the abstract and love outside their own kind.

some animals can love outside their kind and this draws them upward.

Fool said:

neshama is every breathing thing from the strong's concordance. it isn't exclusive to a man. animals breath

the difference between some men and most animals is the ability to love apart from their kind and to think in abstracts or beyond instinctual.

ecclesiastes shows that man is a beast but can rise above that. animals can imagine themselves as something otherwise but they can love other kinds. love again is the force which draws things upwards vs instinctual drive pulls things down for destruction.

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animals have some sort of soul, having dogs and cats I know that much. They have some sort of consciousness that is improvable. Neshama is intellect and ability of processing of abstract notions that humans have on much higher level than animals.

socharlie said:

animals have some sort of soul, having dogs and cats I know that much. They have some sort of consciousness that is improvable. Neshama is intellect and ability of processing of abstract notions that humans have on much higher level than animals.

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neshama is used in genesis 7:22 and refers to all kinds, not exclusive to humans.

Fool said:

neshama is used in genesis 7:22 and refers to all kinds, not exclusive to humans.

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I can not draw a separation line if there are subdivisions or not, animal or humans do not understand commandments "do not murder" human does , for example. Gen 7:22 may ne affirmation that comes from 7:21 -that humankind died.
Just like :
20Now the man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all the living Gen 3.

living chai. 2416a alive, living - you can not assume beasts here. is Chayah is aspect of neshama that communes with God, not intellectual aspect. There is one more aspect, the highest,
Yechida, which is spark of God's light in humans.

socharlie said:

I can not draw a separation line if there are subdivisions or not, animal or humans do not understand commandments "do not murder" human does , for example. Gen 7:22 may ne affirmation that comes from 7:21 -that humankind died.
Just like :
20Now the man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all the living Gen 3.

living chai. 2416a alive, living - you can not assume beasts here. is Chayah is aspect of neshama that communes with God, not intellectual aspect.

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love goes beyond all human understanding. it is the greatest of mysteries.

just as the heaven is higher than the earth, so love is beyond mere earthly understanding. it pervades the universe and is the wonder of all wonders.

the beginning of understanding is the awe of love.

because in the twinkling of an eye and a tilt of the head, i saw the sun rise over the ocean and I watched a wave move across that face.


and abraham was called a friend of love

Fool said:

love goes beyond all human understanding. it is the greatest of mysteries.

just as the heaven is higher than the earth, so love is beyond mere earthly understanding. it pervades the universe and is the wonder of all wonders.

the beginning of understanding is the awe of love.

because in the twinkling of an eye and a tilt of the head, i saw the sun rise over the ocean and I watched a wave moved across that face.


and abraham was called a friend of love

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Agape is what we must become, agape is a state of being when you are everyone because everyone is you.