A Question for Creationists

Faithofchristian · Jan 8, 2018

ImmortalFlame said:
Actually, the Bible explicitly commands you to do that very thing:

1 Peter 3:15 - Bible Gateway

Why is it that you pick out one Verse and try and build a whole mountain off it.

So let's back up to Verse 12 and come down to Verse 16.

In 1 Peter 3:12-16.

Verse 12, For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers, but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil"

Therefore, if and when a person comes to ask, What's the reason why I believe in what I believe, and you know exactly where they are heading, just to criticize, Why I believe what I believe. It becomes evil intention.
Therefore I do not have to answer.nor will I.

Verse 13, "And who is he that will harm you, if you be followers of that which is good"

Therefore, a person is only asking, to criticize what I believe. Therefore I do not have to answer.

Verse 14, But and if you suffer for righteousness sake, happy are you and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled"

Therefore, I do not let people trouble me with their contention. Neither am I troubled with their evil contentions.

Verse 15, But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear"

Therefore to sanctify the Lord God, is to not answer evil contentions, which gender unto nothing.which is only the evilness of their heart.

Verse 16, Having a good conscience, that, where as they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ"
Therefore a person is not seeking to know, but to criticize, Why a person believe's in what they believe.

How many times have I came across people like this, I couldn't begin to count.

They are not asking, But are only asking to criticize. Unto which I do have to answer their criticism of evilness.

Faithofchristian · Jan 8, 2018

Darkstorn said:
If you really aren't interested in what others say or don't want to see content that disagrees with you, then what are you doing in the debate forums?

You seem to be throwing a tantrum because people say you can't use a definite statement in a debate if you're not going to support it.

Your argument is kindergarten level. You're totally allowed to believe in whatever you feel like but here you are guilty of trying to shift the burden of proof even when you're the only one making a claim.

When no negative claim has been presented, and you make a positive claim, the burden of proof is on you the moment you try to use it in a debate.

You are very close to proselytising with your behavior. And you did read the same forum rules I did. Or did you?

Not when their whole intentions are to criticize. I've been thru this all before.

Therefore I do not have to answer their evilness of intentions.

Whether you like it or not.

ImmortalFlame · Jan 8, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
Why is it that you pick out one Verse and try and build a whole mountain off it.

I'm not sure I tried to "build" anything - just bring to your attention that the Bible specifically instructs you to be ready to provide the reasons for your belief.

Faithofchristian said:
So let's back up to Verse 12 and come down to Verse 15.

In 1 Peter 3:12-16.

Verse 12, For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers, but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil"

Therefore, if and when a person comes to ask, What's the reason why I believe in what I believe, and you know exactly where they are heading, just to criticize, Why I believe what I believe. It becomes evil intention.

So you just assume evil intention whenever anyone asks you to explain what your reasoning is?

Faithofchristian said:
Therefore I do not have to answer.nor will I.

Except the Bible says you should.

Why do you disagree with the Bible?

Faithofchristian said:
Verse 13, "And who is he that will harm you, if you be followers of that which is good"

Therefore, a person is only asking, to criticize what I believe. Therefore I do not have to answer.

Where does it say "You shouldn't have to explain anything to people if you assume they mean you harm"? It says you should ALWAYS be ready explain your reasons when asked, full stop.

Faithofchristian said:
Verse 14, But and if you suffer for righteousness sake, happy are you and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled"

Therefore, I do not let people trouble me with their contention. Neither am I troubled with their evil contentions.

You're assuming evil intentions for no reason, and the Bible specifically instructs you to give reasons when asked.

Faithofchristian said:
Verse 15, But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear"

Therefore to sanctify the Lord God, is to not answer evil contentions, which gender unto nothing.which is only the evilness of their heart.

It explicitly says "answer to EVERY MAN that asks you a reason". It does NOT say "answer to every man that asks you a reason - unless you suspect them of being a meany, meany, poopy-head".

Faithofchristian said:
Verse 16, Having a good conscience, that, where as they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ"
Therefore a person is not seeking to know, but to criticize, Why a person believe's in what they believe.

That's not what that verse says. It's saying if YOU provide the reasons for your belief and they continue to speak falsely of you, THEY may be ashamed for doing so. It is literally telling you why you SHOULD provide reasons to people, EVEN IF they intend to lie about them.

Faithofchristian said:
How many times have I came across people like this, I couldn't begin to count.

Talk about making a mountain of something...

Faithofchristian said:
They are not asking, But are only asking to criticize. Unto which I do have to answer their criticism of evilness.

The Bible specifically instructs you to provide reasons to EVERY MAN when asked, and tells you to do so EVEN IF they intend to lie about it, because doing so is your duty and the lies are on their conscience, not yours.

Read your Bible.

Darkstorn · Jan 8, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
Not when their whole intentions are to criticize. I've been thru this all before.

I criticize you as well. Because of the way you handle this discussion. I feel this is appropriate. If you enter a thread, make a claim, fail to support it, and the thread exists in the debate section, the you are going to be criticized. You should know this beforehand. If you want to discuss your faith, go to discussion forums.

You are in the debate section complaining about people disagreeing with you.

Therefore I do not have to answer their evilness of intentions.

Uh huh. You are in the wrong section. You don't have to answer, true. But making wild claims and then spouting crap like this is not constructive to a debate. At best you are being disruptive, at worst more evil than the people you accuse.

Whether you like it or not.

And i'm going to respond. Whether you like it or not. Your behaviour is not conductive to a debate. I find your tone insulting and childish.

You also seem very quick to judge people. In this case you are judging people to be of evil intentions because they criticize you.

You don't strike me as a good Christian.

Faithofchristian · Jan 8, 2018

ImmortalFlame said:
I'm not sure I tried to "build" anything - just bring to your attention that the Bible specifically instructs you to be ready to provide the reasons for your belief.

So you just assume evil intention whenever anyone asks you to explain what your reasoning is?

Except the Bible says you should.

Why do you disagree with the Bible?

Where does it say "You shouldn't have to explain anything to people if you assume they mean you harm"? It says you should ALWAYS be ready explain your reasons when asked, full stop.

You're assuming evil intentions for no reason, and the Bible specifically instructs you to give reasons when asked.

It explicitly says "answer to EVERY MAN that asks you a reason". It does NOT say "answer to every man that asks you a reason - unless you suspect them of being a meany, meany, poopy-head".

That's not what that verse says. It's saying if YOU provide the reasons for your belief and they continue to speak falsely of you, THEY may be ashamed for doing so. It is literally telling you why you SHOULD provide reasons to people, EVEN IF they intend to lie about them.

Talk about making a mountain of something...

The Bible specifically instructs you to provide reasons to EVERY MAN when asked, and tells you to do so EVEN IF they intend to lie about it, because doing so is your duty and the lies are on their conscience, not yours.

Read your Bible.

I do not have to answer nor will i answer their evilness of the intention of their evil hearts.
Had you any knowledge, what it means to give an answer in righteousness.

Your like alot of people that pick out one Verse and go about trying to build a whole mountain off of it.
Unto which will not work with me.

When the whole intention of their question is just to criticize. I do not have to answer their criticism.

Darkstorn · Jan 8, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
I do not have to answer nor will i answer their evilness of the intention of their evil hearts.

Wow. You are calling people evil while failing to substantiate it. I feel you don't know what "good" means. How do you expect to know evil?

ImmortalFlame · Jan 8, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
I do not have to answer nor will i answer their evilness of the intention of their evil hearts.

So you disagree with the Bible, then.

Faithofchristian said:
Had you any knowledge, what it means to give an answer in righteousness.

The Bible explicitly tells you what it means. Do you know better than the Bible?

Faithofchristian said:
Your like alot of people that pick out one Verse and go about trying to build a whole mountain off of it.

The verse specifically instructs you to do something that you are absolutely not doing. It's quite simple, really.

Faithofchristian said:
Unto which will not work with me.

Because, clearly, you either don't understand what the Bible tells you to do or don't care what it says. Either way, doesn't make you look like a very good Christian.

Faithofchristian said:
When the whole intention of their question is just to criticize. I do not have to answer their criticism.

That's an assumption you're making without any basis, and the Bible explicitly instructs you to answer their request EVEN IF they have "evil intentions". Look:

Verse 15, But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear"
Verse 16, Having a good conscience, that, where as they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ"

In other words:
"ALWAYS give people the reasons for your belief when asked, so that, even if their intentions are evil and they intend to speak falsely of you, they should be ashamed for it, and your conscience remains good".

Again, read your Bible.

Faithofchristian · Jan 8, 2018

Darkstorn said:
I criticize you as well. Because of the way you handle this discussion. I feel this is appropriate. If you enter a thread, make a claim, fail to support it, and the thread exists in the debate section, the you are going to be criticized. You should know this beforehand. If you want to discuss your faith, go to discussion forums.

You are in the debate section complaining about people disagreeing with you.

Uh huh. You are in the wrong section. You don't have to answer, true. But making wild claims and the spouting crap like this is not constructive to a debate. At best you are being disruptive, at worst more evil than the people you accuse.

And i'm going to respond. Whether you like it or not. Your behaviour is not conductive to a debate. I find your tone insulting and childish.

You also seem very quick to judge people. In this case you are judging people to be of evil intentions because they criticize you.

You don't strike me as a good Christian.

Look you have no idea what a Christian is.

Your idea of a Christian, is to lay down and be someones walk on, which I am not.

If you can not handle it. So be it.

Faithofchristian · Jan 8, 2018

Darkstorn said:
Wow. You are calling people evil while failing to substantiate it. I feel you don't know what "good" means. How do you expect to know evil?

When a person asks,that only shows their true intentions, I do not have to answer

Faithofchristian · Jan 8, 2018

ImmortalFlame said:
So you disagree with the Bible, then.

The Bible explicitly tells you what it means. Do you know better than the Bible?

The verse specifically instructs you to do something that you are absolutely not doing. It's quite simple, really.

Because, clearly, you either don't understand what the Bible tells you to do or don't care what it says. Either way, doesn't make you look like a very good Christian.

That's an assumption you're making without any basis, and the Bible explicitly instructs you to answer their request EVEN IF they have "evil intentions". Look:

Verse 15, But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear"
Verse 16, Having a good conscience, that, where as they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ"

In other words:
"ALWAYS give people the reasons for your belief when asked, so that, even if their intentions are evil and they intend to speak falsely of you, they should be ashamed for it, and your conscience remains good".

Again, read your Bible.

Look had you any idea what the Bible Support's and confirm's.

But you don't have a clue.

If a person asks a certain question, which reveals their intentions. Only for criticism, thereby I do not have to answer their criticism.
Get use to it.

ImmortalFlame · Jan 8, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
Look had you any idea what the Bible Support's and confirm's.

It explicitly tells you to ALWAYS give your reasons when asked, DESPITE the intentions of the person who asks. It makes that extremely clear.

Faithofchristian said:
But you don't have a clue.

I know more than you do, evidently.

Faithofchristian said:
If a person asks a certain question, which reveals their intentions. Only for criticism, thereby I do not have to answer their criticism.
Get use to it.

Then you're going against what the Bible tells you to do.

Read your Bible.

Faithofchristian · Jan 8, 2018

ImmortalFlame said:
It explicitly tells you to ALWAYS give your reasons when asked, DESPITE the intentions of the person who asks. It makes that extremely clear.

I know more than you do, evidently.

Then you're going against what the Bible tells you to do.

Read your Bible.

So you say, which doesn't mount to nothing

Darkstorn · Jan 8, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
Look you have no idea what a Christian is.

That's another empty accusation. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here. I'm trying to criticize you. For this specific reason: You are being more insulting than the people you accuse of being insulting and evil to you.

This is still the debate forum, not a discussion section. No one is forcing you to come to threads, make inane accusations about people and shift burden of proof, yet you do it anyway. Fair enough: But may i ask you, that if you do, can you please stop imagining offences and thinking of your opposition as "evil?"

If you can't, at this rate i'm going to be forced to report you. I can't answer posts that break the rules.

Your idea of a Christian, is to lay down and be someones walk on, which I am not.

But your actions here are entirely analogous to getting walked over. You are not fighting: you are complaining.

If you can not handle it. So be it.

I am sorry, but this and your other posts lead me to believe that it's you who cannot handle this. You don't even really read the posts you quote, you don't even care what's in them. All you do is repeat your claim of not having to answer to evil people.

You call others evil. Yet you accuse people and disregard their comments. I am sorry but at this rate you cannot show that your opponents are in fact evil. You are merely showing us aspects of YOUR personality.

Faithofchristian said:
When a person asks,that only shows their true intentions, I do not have to answer

When a person fails to address a question directed at them, that also shows their true intentions.

I think you need to read the bible.

ImmortalFlame · Jan 8, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
So you say, which doesn't mount to nothing

So says your Bible, which should amount to a lot according to you.

Darkstorn · Jan 8, 2018

ImmortalFlame said:
So says your Bible, which should amount to a lot according to you.

Are you really asking him not to cherry pick? Good luck.

Faithofchristian · Jan 8, 2018

ImmortalFlame said:
So says your Bible, which should amount to a lot according to you.

But these speak evil of those things which they know not, but what they know naturally, as brute beasts in those things they Corrupt themselves.

How that they told you, there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

ImmortalFlame · Jan 8, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
But these speak evil of those things which they know not, but what they know naturally, as brute beasts in those things they Corrupt themselves.

How that they told you, there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

The Bible specifically instructs you to give the reasons for your belief to ANYONE who asks, EVEN IF they intend evil.

Do you or do you not agree with the Bible?

ImmortalFlame · Jan 8, 2018

Darkstorn said:
Are you really asking him not to cherry pick? Good luck.

Right now he isn't so much "cherry picking" as he is "outright fabricating". He is looking at a verse in the Bible that says "always give people reasons when asked, even if they intend evil" and saying what it actually means is "don't give people reasons when asked, especially if they are evil".

Now I think they've realized they're backed into a corner. It's not really fun any more...

Faithofchristian · Jan 8, 2018

ImmortalFlame said:
The Bible specifically instructs you to give the reasons for your belief to ANYONE who asks, EVEN IF they intend evil.

Do you or do you not agree with the Bible?

Are you freaking kidding me,

There is no where in the Bible, that says, that anyone has to answer anyone's question, that is evil intended.
You show just how much you really don't know what the Bible Support's and confirm's.

Subduction Zone · Jan 8, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
Why is it that you pick out one Verse and try and build a whole mountain off it.

So let's back up to Verse 12 and come down to Verse 16.

In 1 Peter 3:12-16.

Verse 12, For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers, but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil"

Therefore, if and when a person comes to ask, What's the reason why I believe in what I believe, and you know exactly where they are heading, just to criticize, Why I believe what I believe. It becomes evil intention.
Therefore I do not have to answer.nor will I.

Verse 13, "And who is he that will harm you, if you be followers of that which is good"

Therefore, a person is only asking, to criticize what I believe. Therefore I do not have to answer.

Verse 14, But and if you suffer for righteousness sake, happy are you and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled"

Therefore, I do not let people trouble me with their contention. Neither am I troubled with their evil contentions.

Verse 15, But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear"

Therefore to sanctify the Lord God, is to not answer evil contentions, which gender unto nothing.which is only the evilness of their heart.

Verse 16, Having a good conscience, that, where as they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ"
Therefore a person is not seeking to know, but to criticize, Why a person believe's in what they believe.

How many times have I came across people like this, I couldn't begin to count.

They are not asking, But are only asking to criticize. Unto which I do have to answer their criticism of evilness.

That verse does not give you an excuse for ignoring the one quoted. Please note that no one against your nonsense has "evil contentions". In fact that is a false accusation against others. A breaking of the Ninth Commandment. You are only digging a deeper hole for yourself.

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