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Does Salvation by Faith Make Sense to You?

Just Truth

Just Truth

TRUTH MEANS PROOF
Faith without works is dead (James 2:26) so in order to know if faith is necessary for salvation we must know what the definition of faith is. Most people believe that faith is just believing in Christ or in God but it's more than that so until you know the actual definition of faith then no it wouldn't matter.
 
MonkeyFire

MonkeyFire

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whirlingmerc said:
If you mean wishful thinking I would not articulate saving faith that way

Belief is having the data, knowing it's true and loving and leaning on it.
Hope is pictured as a helmet and seems a mere wish is not much of a helmet as a conviction of a truth would be I do agree that saving faith has a fruit of faith working itself out in love

Demons believe and temple and that is not saving faith
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Faith/hope relys upon the wish to be.
 
Willamena

Willamena

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Theresa A Drumgold said:
Faith without works is dead (James 2:26) so in order to know if faith is necessary for salvation we must know what the definition of faith is. Most people believe that faith is just believing in Christ or in God but it's more than that so until you know the actual definition of faith then no it wouldn't matter.
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So, you're not going to tell us.
 
SomeRandom

SomeRandom

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It makes no sense to me. Faith alone does not a holy person make. And why would an all powerful being even care? Is it insecure? Does it literally feed on faith?
I think humans seek out God, but they tend to project their own failings upon it.
 
Kelly of the Phoenix

Kelly of the Phoenix

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I think of salvation less as "yippee I get to go to heaven" and more like "spiritual maturity."
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sandy whitelinger

sandy whitelinger

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SomeRandom said:
It makes no sense to me. Faith alone does not a holy person make. And why would an all powerful being even care? Is it insecure? Does it literally feed on faith?
I think humans seek out God, but they tend to project their own failings upon it.
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It seems it doesn't make sense to you. Let me ask you this, "How do you see the unseeable?
 
SomeRandom

SomeRandom

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sandy whitelinger said:
So I stand on my original statement.
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You interpret that as justification as faith. I see it as justification that people can believe in something higher than themselves. But that alone does nothing. I'm just really about the experiential side of spirituality. I not only believe that such an approach is holy, to experience the divine, bad or good, taboo or acceptable, is a worthy goal. But also that people's experiences convince them of certain things, this includes faith and non faith. But I also stand by my statement, God would be above such trivial matters. And people don't have to have faith to be worthy. Mine is not a faith based religion, though. We believe in Dharma, where an atheist could be saved through Dharma. But we do not have such a clear cut dichotomy between believer and non believer, I suppose.
 
sandy whitelinger

sandy whitelinger

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SomeRandom said:
You interpret that as justification as faith. I see it as justification that people can believe in something higher than themselves. But that alone does nothing. I'm just really about the experiential side of spirituality. I not only believe that such an approach is holy, to experience the divine, bad or good, taboo or acceptable, is a worthy goal. But also that people's experiences convince them of certain things, this includes faith and non faith. But I also stand by my statement, God would be above such trivial matters. And people don't have to have faith to be worthy. Mine is not a faith based religion, though. We believe in Dharma, where an atheist could be saved through Dharma. But we do not have such a clear cut dichotomy between believer and non believer, I suppose.
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Well said. I agree.
 
The Sum of Awe

The Sum of Awe

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Sunstone said:
Does it make sense to you that a deity would be so concerned with whether or not someone had faith in him that he would make faith necessary for salvation? Why or why not?
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Shh! Don't question his ways, he might send a flood again.
 
Kenny

Kenny

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sandy whitelinger said:
Of course. Can you see, smell, hear, touch or feel God?
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That's a complicated question.

Can you hear God? Yes, but not necessarily with the physical ears. It can seem like a voice.
Can you see God? Apparently you can. Isaiah saw God, John saw God, Moses saw God and others.

Can you feel God? A theological question. If, according to many, Jesus was The Word who was God, then John said, "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life."

Merry Christmas to all!
 
sandy whitelinger

sandy whitelinger

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KenS said:
That's a complicated question.

Can you hear God? Yes, but not necessarily with the physical ears. It can seem like a voice.
Can you see God? Apparently you can. Isaiah saw God, John saw God, Moses saw God and others.

Can you feel God? A theological question. If, according to many, Jesus was The Word who was God, then John said, "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life."

Merry Christmas to all!
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I do not doubt that there are times when the Biblical world and the natural worlds coincided and this was perceived by the natural world. Jesus comes to mind.
 
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URAVIP2ME

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The Sum of Awe said:
Shh! Don't question his ways, he might send a flood again.
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Remember the 'RAINBOW' promise found at Genesis 9:11-13. I find there will never again be another deluge.
Isaiah and John wrote to us what will get rid of the wicked. It will be by ' words ', the 'executional words' from Jesus' mouth will destroy the wicked according to Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16. The upright remain - Proverbs 2:21-22
 
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URAVIP2ME

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Sunstone said:
Does it make sense to you that a deity would be so concerned with whether or not someone had faith in him that he would make faith necessary for salvation? Why or why not?
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I find biblical faith is Not credulity (blind faith) but faith and confidence based on Holy Scripture.
Jesus put faith in his Creator, his God, by having the confidence to do God's will ahead of doing his own will.
By doing God's will (faith and confidence in His Word the Bible - Psalms 119:105) we can gain salvation/deliverance/rescued through the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14. We can remain alive on Earth, and continue to live on Earth right into the start of calendar Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year reign over Earth when all the wicked will be gone.
 
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