syo
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i disagree. we don't own our souls, so souls do not pile up karma. we are not affected by our previous lives but by our ancestors and we start anew.
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You have this denial signed by god or his secretary?
And disabled. The reason i got out if Christianity as a child
74x12
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Turn about is fair play.
You did not answer the question and you know it.. Why is that?
BARNEY BRIGHT
Member
“That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full recompense, which was due for their error. And just as they did not approve of holding God in accurate knowledge, God gave them up to a disapproved mental state, to do the things not fitting.”—Romans 1:26-28.
Note, homosexuality is called not only “disgraceful,” “obscene,” and “not fitting” but also “contrary to nature.
Homosexuality thus cannot simply be passed off as an ‘alternate life-style.’ It is unnatural, a perversion of the way we were created. Too, God’s Law to the nation of ancient Israel stated: “When a man lies down with a male the same as one lies down with a woman, both of them have done a detestable thing.”—Leviticus 20:13.
That homosexuality is unnatural can be seen from this basic fact: If everyone were exclusively homosexual, the human race would die out in one generation.
BARNEY BRIGHT
Member
God created Adam and Eve, the rest of us was brought into existence by pro-creation which is why we all are born in sin.
Yes we are held accountable for our own sins and not the sins of others,but as i said we are all born in sin,so after Adam sinned we all needed a deliverer to deliver us from this sin we were born in and the sinful acts that we as individuals have commited .
“That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full recompense, which was due for their error. And just as they did not approve of holding God in accurate knowledge, God gave them up to a disapproved mental state, to do the things not fitting.”—Romans 1:26-28.
Homosexuality thus cannot simply be passed off as an ‘alternate life-style.’ It is unnatural, a perversion of the way we were created..Too, God’s Law to the nation of ancient Israel stated: “When a man lies down with a male the same as one lies down with a woman, both of them have done a detestable thing.”—Leviticus 20:13.
That homosexuality is unnatural can be seen from this basic fact: If everyone were exclusively homosexual, the human race would die out in one generation.
syo
Well-Known Member
of course. we are half dna from our mother and half from our father.
Actually if everyone were exclusively homosexual and still wanted to procreate, surrogacy would increase. We would not die out. But if the human race were all exclusively male we would die out in a generation. Does this mean being a male is unnatural?
That's a metaphor. From Adam to us represents evolution, sin represents mutation, and salvation is natural selection.
More metaphor.
In this case, homosexuality represents religious belief.
You have to study the Bible in depth to understand what it is telling you, and you have to be filled with and guided by the spirit of understanding. It can't be read literally.
BARNEY BRIGHT
Member
people can deny what Romans
BARNEY BRIGHT
Member
Romans 1:18-32
18 For God’s wrath is being revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who are suppressing the truth in an unrighteous way, 19 because what may be known about God is manifest among them, for God made it manifest to them. 20 For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable; 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God nor did they thank him, but they became empty-headed in their reasonings and their unintelligent heart became darkened. 22 Although asserting they were wise, they became foolish 23 and turned the glory of the incorruptible God into something like the image of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed creatures and creeping things.
24 Therefore God, in keeping with the desires of their hearts, gave them up to uncleanness, that their bodies might be dishonored among them, 25 even those who exchanged the truth of God for the lie and venerated and rendered sacred service to the creation rather than the One who created, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; 27 and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full recompense, which was due for their error.
28 And just as they did not approve of holding God in accurate knowledge, God gave them up to a disapproved mental state, to do the things not fitting, 29 filled as they were with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, badness, being full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malicious disposition, being whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, insolent, haughty, self-assuming, inventors of injurious things, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, false to agreements, having no natural affection, merciless. 32 Although these know full well the righteous decree of God, that those practicing such things are deserving of death, they not only keep on doing them but also consent with those practicing them.
these scriptures are the truth not just some religious belief.They show us why the world is in such a ugly state today and why unrighteous mankind deserves the destruction that is coming.Just because people disagree with what i write doesn't mean i don't study scripture.Jesus and the apostles knew the scriptures but many people didn't agree with them
BARNEY BRIGHT
Member
You just proved the natural way of procreating is with male sperm impregnating a female egg,so when God created male and female this was the natural union for procreation and fulfilling of sexual desires.God did not create only two males and told them to multiply because that would be impossible.Since God created male and female and told them to multiply that shows the family unit is two parents male and female and their offspring,
BARNEY BRIGHT
Member
Genesis 3:1-24
Now the serpent proved to be the most cautious of all the wild beasts of the field that Jehovah God had made. So it began to say to the woman: “Is it really so that God said YOU must not eat from every tree of the garden?” 2 At this the woman said to the serpent: “Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat. 3 But as for [eating] of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘YOU must not eat from it, no, YOU must not touch it that YOU do not die.’” 4 At this the serpent said to the woman: “YOU positively will not die. 5 For God knows that in the very day of YOUR eating from it YOUR eyes are bound to be opened and YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad.”
6 Consequently the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was something to be longed for to the eyes, yes, the tree was desirable to look upon. So she began taking of its fruit and eating it. Afterward she gave some also to her husband when with her and he began eating it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them became opened and they began to realize that they were naked. Hence they sewed fig leaves together and made loin coverings for themselves.
8 Later they heard the voice of Jehovah God walking in the garden about the breezy part of the day, and the man and his wife went into hiding from the face of Jehovah God in between the trees of the garden. 9 And Jehovah God kept calling to the man and saying to him: “Where are you?” 10 Finally he said: “Your voice I heard in the garden, but I was afraid because I was naked and so I hid myself.” 11 At that he said: “Who told you that you were naked? From the tree from which I commanded you not to eat have you eaten?” 12 And the man went on to say: “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me [fruit] from the tree and so I ate.” 13 With that Jehovah God said to the woman: “What is this you have done?” To this the woman replied: “The serpent—it deceived me and so I ate.”
14 And Jehovah God proceeded to say to the serpent: “Because you have done this thing, you are the cursed one out of all the domestic animals and out of all the wild beasts of the field. Upon your belly you will go and dust is what you will eat all the days of your life. 15 And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel.”
16 To the woman he said: “I shall greatly increase the pain of your pregnancy; in birth pangs you will bring forth children, and your craving will be for your husband, and he will dominate you.”
17 And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and took to eating from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. 18 And thorns and thistles it will grow for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.”
20 After this Adam called his wife’s name Eve, because she had to become the mother of everyone living. 21 And Jehovah God proceeded to make long garments of skin for Adam and for his wife and to clothe them. 22 And Jehovah God went on to say: “Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad, and now in order that he may not put his hand out and actually take [fruit] also from the tree of life and eat and live to time indefinite,—” 23 With that Jehovah God put him out of the garden of E′den to cultivate the ground from which he had been taken. 24 And so he drove the man out and posted at the east of the garden of E′den the cherubs and the flaming blade of a sword that was turning itself continually to guard the way to the tree of life.
These scriptures show how sin enter the world of mankind.
If you believe homosexuality is a genetic trait, then you can not blame God for any specific homosexual person. It is the original gene that was created (probably thru a mutation) many thousands of years ago, that is causing the problem. Unless of course you believe God is responsible for each random gene mutation and then decides exactly who gets married to whom and who has children and which genes get propagated.
I don't know why people think this.
Put a couple of normal, healthy, teens in a room. By "normal" I mean "horny", because all healthy teenagers are. If one is male and the other female they will make a baby, regardless of orientation. The concept of limiting sexual behavior to a partner in a committed relationship is not an evolved trait, it's a supermodern learned behavior.
For the vast majority of human history (several million years), orientation would have had a negligible effect on reproduction. The part males play in reproduction needn't take more than an hour, six ten minute sessions spread out over a month could result in 3 successful* progeny, even in a world with 50% child mortality rates. Women had little choice in the matter of sex partners because men simply raped whoever they could.
Who human beings found physically attractive on a committed, permanent, basis would have had little or nothing to do with who wound up as a breeding pair.
Tom
* by successful I mean survive and reproduce.
The very limited God found in Abrahamic Scripture would be unable to do anything about homosexuality, of course.
Almighty God would be completely different. I find Almighty God very plausible, a "logically necessary" part of Reality as I can experience it. The Gods invented by primitive people, such as wrote Scripture, not so.
Those Gods are irrational and implausible to me. So I am unable to believe that the ancients actually knew more about God and Reality than I do.
Those people didn't even know where babies come from, really.
Tom
Yes, and Merry Christmas to you, too.
Those scriptures have to be understood as metaphor, not literal truth. The death they speak of is man's transition from his earlier religious phase to his rational phase in which he will rise from the grave of superstition and be born again into a life of reason and compassion.
Scripture is telling you so. I know. I've studied it.
The world has never been better. You must be misinterpreting the scriptures if you came to that conclusion.
Mankind deserves peace and happiness. We could use your help.
